Penn State Sex Abuse Scandal (Indictment Post #144, "Pimping" Allegations Post #442)

[Cajuncowboy]

It's a football-mad school and they're having a very good (Bowl-worthy) season. That makes it a real gesture.

Cop out. You don't even address what I suggested. You got this crazy idea that punishing innocent people means something.

 

[bbgun]

Cop out. You don't even address what I suggested. You got this crazy idea that punishing innocent people means something.

No cop out. Forsaking $ and a Bowl appearance would be a real gesture, not just symbolism.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

No cop out. Forsaking $ and a Bowl appearance would be a real gesture, not just symbolism.

How does that do any good for the victims?

Still waiting.

 

[bbgun]

How does that do any good for the victims?

Still waiting.

What did canceling Broadway shows do for President Kennedy after he was murdered? Nothing, because he was dead. But they did so anyway out of respect. Maybe that's a foreign concept to you.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

What did canceling Broadway shows do for President Kennedy after he was murdered? Nothing, because he was dead. But they did so anyway out of respect. Maybe that's a foreign concept to you.

What were they going to do? Take up a collection for the first family? Get real and get into reality here.

What I suggested would be WAY better than cancelling the season and punishing innocent people. And even if they didn't do what I suggested, it would still accomplish NOTHING. Comparing the assassination of a sitting US president and what happened a decade ago is absurd.

There isn't a person in the world that thinks what happened is a tragic nightmare for those kids.

But you want to punish innocent people.

Consider this.

A man breaks into your house and kills your wife. He escapes and his brother knows about it and he hides him out. He is found and he and his brother are both convicted for thier crimes.

Do you expect the family to be punished as well? The mother, father, sister, aunts and uncles?

You don't punish innocent people.

It's really that simple. Find your solace and contentment in the fact that those responsible are being punished.

Anything other than that makes you seem petty.

 

[JBond]

Wow what?

Aren't they?

Depends on how many more he raped thanks to his enablers. Could have raped a kid last week for all you know.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

Depends on how many more he raped thanks to his enablers. Could have raped a kid last week for all you know.

That's true.

But since we have no Earthly clue if that's the case, we will just roll with what he know for now.

 

[bbgun]

What were they going to do? Take up a collection for the first family? Get real and get into reality here.

What I suggested would be WAY better than cancelling the season and punishing innocent people.

Paying people off takes no courage or effort whatsoever, esp since money grows on trees in Big Ten programs. In short, you're not sacrificing anything of real value to the players, students, or alums. All you care about is preserving your precious football Saturdays at all cost. It's safe to say that my priorities differ from yours.

 

[JBond]

I think the fact that Sandusky used the football program as a means of buttering up his victims is reason enough to hold the program accountable.

I don't believe for one second that the first time the university heard of his actions they took his keys from him.

They basically allowed him to use all his given perks to take those kids to games and practices and such.

Agree 100%.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

Paying people off takes no courage or effort whatsoever, esp since money grows on trees in Big Ten programs. In short, you're not sacrificing anything of real value to the players, students, or alums. All you care about is preserving your precious football Saturdays at all cost. It's safe to say that my priorities differ from yours.

Again, you just spout off and not address what I said. Why? because you have no answer for it and if you did answer honestly you would destroy your absurd position. Again, you are copping out.

 

[JBond]

Paying people off takes no courage or effort whatsoever, esp since money grows on trees in Big Ten programs. In short, you're not sacrificing anything of real value to the players, students, or alums. All you care about is preserving your precious football Saturdays at all cost. It's safe to say that my priorities differ from yours.

I do not believe that of Cajun. Stubborn yes. Stupid no.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

Agree 100%.

I agree as well. And those people who did that are gone.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

I do not believe that of Cajun. Stubborn yes. Stupid no.

I never said I wasn't stubborn. I am a Cajun after all. LOL.

But I am stubborn when I know I'm right.

 

[JBond]

I guess that would be one way that someone could react.

But I wouldn't fault Paterno for thinking something along these lines: What the heck am I going to tell the police?

"Remember that story that the graduate assistant told you that you didn't think was credible enough to investigate? Well, he told me the same thing."

I guess I don't think there would be a moral obligation for Paterno to contact the police to ask why the police weren't acting on McQueary's report in a way that was visible to Paterno.

It is one thing to alert police to something they don't know. I can see a moral obligation there.

But I don't think Paterno would have had a moral obligation to doublecheck the police to make sure that they were acting on McQueary's report correctly. It might have made sense for Paterno's superiors to do this, but I don't see how double-checking the police was necessarily Paterno's job.

There is no police report.

 

[bbgun]

I do not believe that of Cajun. Stubborn yes. Stupid no.

I never called him stupid. Callous, insensitive, and integrity-challenged would be more on the mark.

 

[JBond]

Not useful at all. I know you well from previous discussions. There is no need for what you are trying to do.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

I never called him stupid. Callous, insensitive, and integrity-challenged would be more on the mark.

Where have I been callous or insensitive towards the victims? I have been nothing but sympathetic. I even changed my position on Paterno when I found out some other information and said as much.

Integrity? Really? Simply because I think it is the height of stupidity to punish innocent people by doing something that doesn't help anyone including the victims?

Let me tell you something about integrity junior. Integrity doesn't come from some internet board. Integrity doesn't come by joining the crowd of sheep. But integrity comes when you do the thing that you know is right in the face of growing opposition, regardless of the consequences.

That my friend is integrity. Something that you may know nothing about. I find it hypocritical of you to crow about integrity all the while you want to punish innocent people while somehow thinking it means something.

It's idiotic. And you have yet, in all of this, to describe how it does anything other than punish innocent people. The guilty are gone. They have been removed, yet you want more and more blood.

Integrity? Please. You don't know the meaning of the word.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

Not useful at all. I know you well from previous discussions. There is no need for what you are trying to do.

Doesn't matter to me. Notice I ignore it because I consider the source. And his sig.

 

[JBond]

I never called him stupid. Callous, insensitive, and integrity-challenged would be more on the mark.

He is dealing with something. He will come around. He already did a 180 against a person he seems to hold in very high regard. We could all pile on, but it accomplishes little. His defense of his college is understandable to a point. I also clearly understand it is also a part of the underlying issue of too big to fail. Penn State made a calculation and was wrong. It could happen anywhere, but it happened at Penn State. They must pay.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

He is dealing with something. He will come around. He already did a 180 against a person he seems to hold in very high regard. We could all pile on, but it accomplishes little. His defense of his college is understandable to a point. I also clearly understand it is also a part of the underlying issue of too big to fail. Penn State made a calculation and was wrong. It could happen anywhere, but it happened Penn State. They must pay.

You don't think they will?