Penn State Sex Abuse Scandal (Indictment Post #144, "Pimping" Allegations Post #442)

[Cajuncowboy]

Still waiting for you to stop putting words in my mouth. Canceling the season will not erase the physical and psychological damage that was done, because nothing can. Then again, that was never the point. As the NFL and MLB demonstrated after 9-11, there's a time for games and there's a time for mourning and self-reflection. Pity Penn State opted for business as usual.

9/11 happened the week before. This happened a decade ago.
Bad analogy.

You said they should do it because people were suffering. Your words not mine. Somehow implying that would mitigate their suffering. So let's say they cancel the rest of the season. The players don't get to finish their senior year. Ohio State and Wisconsin lose MILLIONS of dollars. And You get the blood you are looking for.

Next year rolls around. Are those victims still suffering? Sure they are. And now what? Make Penn State cancel their entire season? What then if they do? The following year the victims are still suffering? Cancel that year as well?

My point is that these victims have been suffering for at least a decade. The cancelling of the season does NOTHING for them. If you really wanted to help the kids, you would insist on them PLAYING the season and maybe forfeiting a portion of the revenue from the games, Gate and TV to be put into a fund to stop things like this in the future. If you want to punish an institution, that would be the way to do it.

But punishing kids who have nothing to do with it is absurd.

 

[bbgun]

You haven't mentioned yet how it does that? Talk about FAIL. Cancelling the season does NONE of that. These players have NOTIHNG to be ashamed about.

File that under "life sucks." There are bigger victims here than mere football players. If they had an ounce of decency, they'd refuse to take the field. Did these kids have to die or something, or was molestation not enough?

 

[Cajuncowboy]

File that under "life sucks." There are bigger victims here than mere football players. If they had an ounce of decency, they'd refuse to take the field. Did these kids have to die or something, or was molestation not enough?

Now you are just being disgusting.

 

[bbgun]

9/11 happened the week before. This happened a decade ago.
Bad analogy.

So what? It only became public knowledge in the last few weeks.

You said they should do it because people were suffering. Your words not mine.

Right. And people associated with the school caused that suffering.

Somehow implying that would mitigate their suffering.

Wrong. It would be the right and moral thing to do even if it helped the victims not a bit.

So let's say they cancel the rest of the season. The players don't get to finish their senior year. Ohio State and Wisconsin lose MILLIONS of dollars. And You get the blood you are looking for.

No blood is necessary. And yes, Penn State has the means to compensate Wisc and OSU if need be.

Next year rolls around. Are those victims still suffering? Sure they are.

For the rest of their lives, I'd imagine.

And now what? Make Penn State cancel their entire season?

I never suggested such a thing.

What then if they do? The following year the victims are still suffering? Cancel that year as well?

Countries and institutions don't mourn forever, and I don't expect PS to be any different.

My point is that these victims have been suffering for at least a decade. The cancelling of the season does NOTHING for them. If you really wanted to help the kids, you would insist on them PLAYING the season and maybe forfeiting a portion of the revenue from the games, Gate and TV to be put into a fund to stop things like this in the future. If you want to punish an institution, that would be the way to do it.

Well, this is our first chance to do the right thing because Sandusky, Paterno, McQueary and others suppressed the truth for nearly a decade. The kids' years of suffering aren't worth three lousy games as a further act of contrition? I disagree.

But punishing kids who have nothing to do with it is absurd.

Men, not kids.

 

[bbgun]

Now you are just being disgusting.

Having higher standards than you is not "disgusting."

 

[Cajuncowboy]

Having higher standards than you is not "disgusting."

You don't have higher standards than I do. You do however have a strange sense of what justice is and who should be punished.

 

[Rogah]

He seems to think that doing the right thing (canceling the season) has to have some sort of practical benefit aside from atonement or shame. Fail.

I honestly don't know if he's deliberately putting words in your mouth or if he just doesn't understand what you're saying. I don't even have an opinion on the issue; I could go either way and understand both points of view. But I do recognize that your point is a valid one and you are not saying the victims would "be healed" by the games being cancelled.

Eh, no matter.

 

[bbgun]

I honestly don't know if he's deliberately putting words in your mouth or if he just doesn't understand what you're saying. I don't even have an opinion on the issue; I could go either way and understand both points of view. But I do recognize that your point is a valid one and you are not saying the victims would "be healed" by the games being cancelled.

Not at all. It's called "making a gesture." Not an empty one, either.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

So what? It only became public knowledge in the last few weeks.

Doesn't change the time line one bit.

Right. And people associated with the school caused that suffering.

Right! THE PEOPLE caused it. And those people have been punished or are in the process of being punished. You cant seem to separate the two for some reason.

Wrong. It would be the right and moral thing to do even if it helped the victims not a bit.

No blood is necessary. And yes, Penn State has the means to compensate Wisc and OSU if need be.

Bizzare!

For the rest of their lives, I'd imagine.



I never suggested such a thing.

Countries and institutions don't mourn forever, and I don't expect PS to be any different.

Mourning is for deaths. No one died. Punishment is what is needed. And attention placed on the heinous acts.

Well, this is our first chance to do the right thing because Sandusky, Paterno, McQueary and others suppressed the truth for nearly a decade. The kids' years of suffering aren't worth three lousy games as a further act of contrition? I disagree.

All of them have been punished. They have been arrested or lost their careers and reputation.

Men, not kids.

The victims are now men as well.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

I honestly don't know if he's deliberately putting words in your mouth or if he just doesn't understand what you're saying. I don't even have an opinion on the issue; I could go either way and understand both points of view. But I do recognize that your point is a valid one and you are not saying the victims would "be healed" by the games being cancelled.

Eh, no matter.

If he would just tell me what good would come of it then I might see his point. He said to cancel the games because people were suffering. That was the reason he gave.

If he had said, to do something of a "punitive" nature against Penn State, Like taking their profits from the games or such, and giving it to the victims or to some group or charity that provides support for such victims, I would agree. I think the University needs to make some kind of gesture. Cancelling the games does NOTHING for the victims at all. I am concerned about them, not getting a pound of flesh from innocent people.

 

[TheDude]

The victims are now men as well.

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wow

 

[Cajuncowboy]

Not at all. It's called "making a gesture." Not an empty one, either.

Sure it would be empty because it's symbolism over substance. It doe no one any good by doing this. No funds are raised for victims. No healing happens (As you have finally admitted) and innocent people are punished.

It's an absurd idea.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

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wow

Wow what?

Aren't they?

 

[bbgun]

If he would just tell me what good would come of it then I might see his point. He said to cancel the games because people were suffering. That was the reason he gave.

Close. They should cancel because they caused people's suffering. Or maybe that slipped your mind.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

Close. They should cancel because they caused people's suffering. Or maybe that slipped your mind.

THEY didn't cause it. One man did that. And others covered it up. And THEY have been removed and only innocent people are left. You seem to be slipping into the mindset that all of penn state raped those little boys. And you are sounding foolish.

 

[bbgun]

Sure it would be empty because it's symbolism over substance. It doe no one any good by doing this. No funds are raised for victims. No healing happens (As you have finally admitted) and innocent people are punished.

It's an absurd idea.

They'll have to compensate the victims anyway due to the impending civil suits. Instead, I challenge them to give up something really important (football). That's a real gesture.

 

[TheDude]

Wow what?

Aren't they?

Factually correct statement
...not sure equating those men's sufferring with men missing a football game is where you wanted to go. If so....

wow

 

[Cajuncowboy]

Factually correct statement
...not sure equating those men's sufferring with men missing a football game is where you wanted to go. If so....

wow

The point is that I called the Players kids and BB said they were MEN. AS if that was pertinent.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

They'll have to compensate the victims anyway due to the impending civil suits. Instead, I challenge them to give up something really important (football). That's a real gesture.

Again, if you would just once tell me what it would accomplish I might agree with you. Saying it's a gesture is nothing. It's symbolism over substance. You want to make a statement?

Call for them to take at least 50% of their revenue from the remaining games, Including bowl games and donate it to a victims support group. You want a gesture? There it is. Simply punishing innocent people is, as I have said, absurd unless you can tell me what it accomplishes.

 

[bbgun]

Again, if you would just once tell me what it would accomplish I might agree with you. Saying it's a gesture is nothing. It's symbolism over substance. You want to make a statement?

Call for them to take at least 50% of their revenue from the remaining games, Including bowl games and donate it to a victims support group. You want a gesture? There it is. Simply punishing innocent people is, as I have said, absurd unless you can tell me what it accomplishes.

It's a football-mad school and they're having a very good (Bowl-worthy) season. That makes it a real gesture.