JBond
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Cajuncowboy;4252136 said:[/B]
You don't think they will?
They will pay. Some will kick and scream the entire way claiming it is not fair. Hope you are not one of them.
Cajuncowboy;4252136 said:[/B]
You don't think they will?
JBond;4252148 said:They will pay. Some will kick an scream the entire way claiming it is not fair. Hope you are not one of them.
Cajuncowboy;4252161 said:Here is what I think. The University will be held financially responsible in civil suits. What the courts rule, they rule. But the principle players are all gone. They will also be held liable for their actions, and to a degree, some have already begun serving their punishment by losing their careers and reputation, with more to come.
I do not know and have yet to be shown, how cancelling a football season, benefits anyone. All I have heard is that it would be a gesture. Well, it would be an empty gesture. People think that it's more about symbolic gestures rather than meaningful substance.
I don't have an issue with Paterno being gone along with the others. I don't have a problem with the University being subjected to civil suits. I don't have a problem with the University being under the microscope.
I have a problem punishing people who had absolutely nothing to do with the scandal.
As far as me watching them on Saturdays play football, I watched maybe three of their games this year. So it's not about that at all.
I just think there are better ways to scream "I hate pedophiles more than you do!" than punishing innocent people.
SaltwaterServr;4252298 said:Lemme get this straight.
Sandusky, getting near the peak of his potential as a head coaching candidacy suddenly retires at age 55 for no apparent reason. He never gets a single interview for any position with any college for any amount of money ever again. We're expected to believe this is a random occurrence.
He's allowed, by Penn State's athletic program to maintain an office right across the street from campus and has access to campus.
He gets caught raping a child on campus, years after retiring for no reason whatsoever.
Nothing happens.
People defending the program that gave him access to the campus after it was obviously discovered he was raping children in 1998 REALLY need to step back, analyze their loyalties, and take a *** damned good look at what they're defending.
That's all I have to say about it at this point.
JBond;4252204 said:Follow the money. It is always about the money. You know this.
Cajuncowboy;4252410 said:Do you somehow think the players that are on the team now or the student body that is there now got money? If so then that would be relevant to the discussion of cancelling the rest of the season.
However, I do not think this is or has ever been about money. This goes beyond money. That you could wrap your head around. Raping and torturing little kids is something I can't wrap my head around.
JBond;4252438 said:Yes the University made money off the football program. A program that systematically enabled a child rapist to protect the program.
They should lose that source of revenue because they have proven they are not responsible enough to have that money. They allowed one or more pedophiles to use the program to molest kids. A program like that needs to be disbanded.
They can try again in a couple years after they really clean house.
Cajuncowboy;4252405 said:Well, you haven't said much. Hard to say that NOTHING has happened with all that has happened in the last week. Coach fired. Assistant Coach fired. AD fired. VP of finamce and head of campus police fired. President of University fired. And oh yeah. The piece of crap pedophile was arrested.
Hmmm, yeah, nothing has happened.
casmith07;4252446 said:I think Salty means nothing happened from 1998 to 2002, and then from 2002 until two weeks ago when the young man came forward.
Cajuncowboy;4252443 said:Ridiculous. You think a SYSTEM allowed this? No. Individuals allowed this. Not the kids playing now, which are part of the system. Not the Board of Trustees, which are part of the system. Not the Athletic Department, which is part of the system. It wasn't the system, it was people within the system. We have seen all kinds of corruption within the Government but when we find it we don't call on the government to be disbanded. We call on those responsible to be punished.
You don't punish innocent people for the sins of others. That's not what we do in America. At least we aren't supposed to.
Stautner;4251154 said:Answer these questions:
1. How many schools have received the death penalty based on one mistake?
2. How many schools have received the death penalty based on a mistake that didn't involve the running of the football program?
3. How many scholorship athletes have lost their ability to play football at the school that recruited them promised based on one mistake by a coach that had nothing to do with them?
4. How does not having a scholorship to give to a future athlete cause a current athlete to suffer other than possibly having a somewhat lesser quality team to play on?
5. When a coach commits a violation and leaves, the remaining players still have their scholorships and a team to play on, which is what the school promised when recruiting them, so how is that situation analogous with taking football away from an athlete that was recruited by the school with the promise of having a team to play on?
That Easter Bowl game was not even a month after McQueary allegedly saw Sandusky raping a child. The mind boggles at how the two could be on the same field days later, especially since McQueary has said he made sure Sandusky let the boy go, which implies a shower conflict of some sort. Previous obligations are previous obligations, but still.McQueary played in and Sandusky coached in the annual Easter Bowl benefiting Easter Seals Central Pennsylvania on March 28, 2002, according to a review of news archives from the time period. McQueary, a former Penn State quarterback, also played in a June 21, 2002, celebrity golf tournament benefitting Sandusky's charity, The Second Mile.
McQueary played in Second Mile golf tournament again in 2003 and was again on the field for the Easter Seals flag football game, with Sandusky coaching, in April 2004.
03EBZ06;4252546 said:Mike McQueary Worked Jerry Sandusky Charity Event Weeks After Alleged Rape
Penn State wide receivers coach Mike McQueary has seen his role in the Jerry Sandusky story grow larger and larger as days go by. Since he was first identified as the 2002 eyewitness named in the grand jury report, he's been howled at for failing to stop Sandusky from allegedly raping a boy and failing to call the police.
He's said he did do both, though police have denied the latter. He's become enough of a celebrity that the CBS Evening News went 72-point font over a 20-second interview during which nothing was actually said.
But this might be one of the most bizarre developments yet. From the Citizen's Voice, a Luzerne County paper:
That Easter Bowl game was not even a month after McQueary allegedly saw Sandusky raping a child. The mind boggles at how the two could be on the same field days later, especially since McQueary has said he made sure Sandusky let the boy go, which implies a shower conflict of some sort. Previous obligations are previous obligations, but still.
http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-footba...mike-mcqueary-jerry-sandusky-golf-tournaments
WV Cowboy;4252536 said:Answer this question: When did I ever mention the death penalty?
You must be thinking of someone else.
SaltwaterServr;4252298 said:Lemme get this straight.
Sandusky, getting near the peak of his potential as a head coaching candidacy suddenly retires at age 55 for no apparent reason. He never gets a single interview for any position with any college for any amount of money ever again. We're expected to believe this is a random occurrence.
He's allowed, by Penn State's athletic program to maintain an office right across the street from campus and has access to campus.
He gets caught raping a child on campus, years after retiring for no reason whatsoever.
Nothing happens.
People defending the program that gave him access to the campus after it was obviously discovered he was raping children in 1998 REALLY need to step back, analyze their loyalties, and take a *** damned good look at what they're defending.
That's all I have to say about it at this point.
JBond;4252461 said:You may know some things, but you do not know every single person involved with this. It is too early to say that the board was not involved.
Who knows how many diddlers there are at Penn State, or on the police force, or in the DA's office?
I don't want to punish innocent people. Penn State should continue to pay for all the scholarships it granted. A free education is hardly a punishment. Why are you so fired up about kids playing a stupid game? There are bigger things than playing a damn game.
I will not discuss topics that are off limits such as government or religion. You know my views on those topics.
JBond;4252438 said:Yes the University made money off the football program. A program that systematically enabled a child rapist to protect the program.
They should lose that source of revenue because they have proven they are not responsible enough to have that money. They allowed one or more pedophiles to use the program to molest kids. A program like that needs to be disbanded.
They can try again in a couple years after they really clean house.
JBond;4252461 said:You may know some things, but you do not know every single person involved with this. It is too early to say that the board was not involved.
Who knows how many diddlers there are at Penn State, or on the police force, or in the DA's office?