Per The Ticket: Josh Brent sentenced to 10 years Probation and 180 days in jail.

GimmeTheBall! said:
oh, no?
Well, yo mama!

How do we know you are not from Taiwan or Greenland who settled in Canada and out to destroy our weigh of life, huh? We half suspicions about ever one who is not American.
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"half" you now?

Interesting you used the word "weigh" when referring to the American way of life.
 
CanadianCowboysFan said:
"half" you now?

Interesting you used the word "weigh" when referring to the American way of life.
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i meant buey, like pinche buey.

Hey, I was jus kidding. I like Canada. I once considered fleeing there but thots of 24-hour hockey on TV would kill me.
Also, I like Bullwinkle Moose and Spud Beer and would move to Toronto if the trailer hitch assembly business was promising.
 
visionary said:
you cant make this stuff up
posters actually believe this and are posting it

anything to excuse the actions of cowboy players and the team
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Not sure what you're trying to say, but I thought the post-mortem tox screen indicated Jerry Brown was sober at the time of death. I know he was in a car with a drunk driver and not wearing a belt.

And both of these guys are Cowboys players, in case you forgot. I resent the thoughtless implication that my opinion here is based on anything other than my actual opinion on the matter. Save the pointless snarking for another topic.

EDIT: http://m.espn.go.com/general/story?storyId=8811205&city=dallas&src=desktop
 
Idgit said:
Not sure what you're trying to say, but I thought the post-mortem tox screen indicated Jerry Brown was sober at the time of death. I know he was in a car with a drunk driver and not wearing a belt.

And both of these guys are Cowboys players, in case you forgot. I resent the thoughtless implication that my opinion here is based on anything other than my actual opinion on the matter. Save the pointless snarking for another topic.

EDIT: http://m.espn.go.com/general/story?storyId=8811205&city=dallas&src=desktop
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If you're trying to say assumption of the risk is a defense in this case...I might argue it as a very LAST resort, but his attorney would have done better to try to get a decent plea agreement for Brent. I'll just say this: there's no way I would stand in front of a jury and try to get them to believe it was Brown's fault IN ANY WAY that he died...talk about an epic fail...not to mention I'm not too keen on malpractice suits.
 
Idgit said:
Not sure what you're trying to say, but I thought the post-mortem tox screen indicated Jerry Brown was sober at the time of death. I know he was in a car with a drunk driver and not wearing a belt.

And both of these guys are Cowboys players, in case you forgot. I resent the thoughtless implication that my opinion here is based on anything other than my actual opinion on the matter. Save the pointless snarking for another topic.

EDIT: http://m.espn.go.com/general/story?storyId=8811205&city=dallas&src=desktop
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this is what you said:

Idgit said: ↑
I believe Jerry Brown was legally sober when he got in the car with a drunk driver and chose not to wear a seatbelt. That still sounds more like suicide than murder, to me.

this is not snarking but a response to an inappropriate comment by you on a public message board

that you should insinuate the incident in question is anything like suicide is just out there and a backhanded slap at the deceased as well as a ridiculous defense of the actual party at fault, josh brent

i never implied that your opinion is based on anything other than your opinion, in fact that is what i am afraid it is based on, sadly

as to whether it is thoughtless, everyone can make that judgement on their own
 
Depending on circumstances and the state you could be charged with murder on a DUI
 
Randy McIlwain ‏@RandyMacNBC5 1h
#JoshBrent had a long great talk with Cowboys great Nate Newton. He's here to support Brent, wanted to hear closing a for himself.
#JoshBrent Nate Newton better than anyone knows what it means to make a poor decision and have it cost you your freedom.
#JoshBrent Nate Newton is truly concerned about Brent being able to handle whatever the jury decides. Told me that NFL life can be...
#JoshBrent a blessing and a curse because it allows you to have excess, and do things normal folks can't and you get used no consequences.
 
Ever body here, pls save yer tears and compassion for the deceased and his family. Not for the guy who chose to drink (heavily) and speed, indirectly kill his friend, and then tried to minimize his involvement.
Prisons are full for people who have done a lot less, so save those tears for someone who is worth them.

I do half a question. If the victim's mother has forgiven Josh Brent, does that mean she half given up any claims to compensation? What, is she gonna sue the Texas DOT for unsafe highways? Sue the bar for serving her son's drunk best friend? Sue the car for overturning instead of turning on the jets and flying to a safe area?
Where she gonna get her monies?
Or is she not suing at all? (Which would totally surprise me.)
 
visionary said:
this is what you said:

Idgit said: ↑
I believe Jerry Brown was legally sober when he got in the car with a drunk driver and chose not to wear a seatbelt. That still sounds more like suicide than murder, to me.

this is not snarking but a response to an inappropriate comment by you on a public message board

that you should insinuate the incident in question is anything like suicide is just out there and a backhanded slap at the deceased as well as a ridiculous defense of the actual party at fault, josh brent

i never implied that your opinion is based on anything other than your opinion, in fact that is what i am afraid it is based on, sadly

as to whether it is thoughtless, everyone can make that judgement on their own
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Ah. I guess I didn't understand your objection. If you don't like the word 'suicide,' and I can actually see why you might not...what's a better word for the decision making process that gets a sober driver to get into a car with a drunk driver and then not wear his safety belt while driving at high speeds at night? I don't really have a stake in what word is used to describe that level of carelessness, as long as we all understand it for what it was.

I don't consider it a slap at the deceased in any way, shape, or form to say that was colossally poor judgement and a complete disrespect for consequences that contributed to him getting killed. What's more, Jerry Brown--being sober--was apparently in the *best* position to positively change the outcome that night, had he not let his friend--whose judgement was impaired by alcohol--to drive that car. That decision not to act not only imperiled him, it imperiled Brent, and it imperiled anybody else on that road home that night.

Obviously, Brent's decision to drink too much to be able to safely drive did the same. He's not innocent int in any of this, by any interpretation.

The only difference is, one player paid the ultimate price for his poor judgement, the other is only paying a very high price. Thankfully, nobody who was actually innocent of that sort of judgement was hurt along the way.
 
trueblue1687 said:
If you're trying to say assumption of the risk is a defense in this case...I might argue it as a very LAST resort, but his attorney would have done better to try to get a decent plea agreement for Brent. I'll just say this: there's no way I would stand in front of a jury and try to get them to believe it was Brown's fault IN ANY WAY that he died...talk about an epic fail...not to mention I'm not too keen on malpractice suits.
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I'm not talking from a legal perspective here. Only saying, from my perspective, I consider getting in the car with a drunk driver and not wearing a belt to be as dangerous as the drunk driving itself.

Brent deserves what he gets. The fact that Jerry Brown also showed poor judgement is not an excuse or a mitigating factor for his sentence, in my opinion.
 
Idgit said:
Ah. I guess I didn't understand your objection. If you don't like the word 'suicide,' and I can actually see why you might not...what's a better word for the decision making process that gets a sober driver to get into a car with a drunk driver and then not wear his safety belt while driving at high speeds at night? I don't really have a stake in what word is used to describe that level of carelessness, as long as we all understand it for what it was.

I don't consider it a slap at the deceased in any way, shape, or form to say that was colossally poor judgement and a complete disrespect for consequences that contributed to him getting killed. What's more, Jerry Brown--being sober--was apparently in the *best* position to positively change the outcome that night, had he not let his friend--whose judgement was impaired by alcohol--to drive that car. That decision not to act not only imperiled him, it imperiled Brent, and it imperiled anybody else on that road home that night.

Obviously, Brent's decision to drink too much to be able to safely drive did the same. He's not innocent int in any of this, by any interpretation.

The only difference is, one player paid the ultimate price for his poor judgement, the other is only paying a very high price. Thankfully, nobody who was actually innocent of that sort of judgement was hurt along the way.
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I agree with a lot of what you said. I don't drink anymore, but at an earlier point in my life, I drove numerous times in a state that would put me behind bars. I thank God that nobody was ever injured from my poor decisions. Now, I consider myself a pretty good contributing member of society. Oh how my path would've changed had someone pulled out in front of me. I don't condone in any way what Josh Brent did that night. But, I wonder what punishment could be worse than knowing you killed your best friend. Seeing his daughter, how could you look her in the eye knowing you took everything important from her. Jail time to me is a cake walk next to the emotional jail he'll reside in the rest of his days.
I hope they let him live his life with a very tight leash. Let him become what he can. Otherwise he will come out several years down the road as someone that could've really done something with his life. He could give his story to the rookies every year. He could do many great things with his experience. Make this senseless death mean something bigger than a crime and punishment. Make it a lesson for just more than him.
 
How about 10 years probation and a half a million dollar rehab?

Or do you have to be 6 years younger and kill 4 innocents to get that one.
 
visionary said:
this is what you said:

Idgit said: ↑
I believe Jerry Brown was legally sober when he got in the car with a drunk driver and chose not to wear a seatbelt. That still sounds more like suicide than murder, to me.

this is not snarking but a response to an inappropriate comment by you on a public message board

that you should insinuate the incident in question is anything like suicide is just out there and a backhanded slap at the deceased as well as a ridiculous defense of the actual party at fault, josh brent

i never implied that your opinion is based on anything other than your opinion, in fact that is what i am afraid it is based on, sadly

as to whether it is thoughtless, everyone can make that judgement on their own
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I have to agree with this, Idge.
I know you aren't looking to be mean, or insensitive to anyone, but the statement can be construed by some as being so.
 
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