Perception: Wilson v. Romo

[JohnnyTheFox]

yep, Romo would have been crucified. No one I have read has claimed Wilscum made a bad throw

"Wilscum"

Typo?

 

[tyke1doe]

Wilson was not impressive at all in this game. He was throwing a lot of jump balls hoping his guy makes a play for him. The Lockett catch was amazing catch but he was well covered with safety help.

You keep Wilson in the pocket and takes away the run you have a good chance to beat him.

But that's just it. Teams rarely can keep him in the pocket. You basically can't charge him. You need to pick a spot and wait for him to come to you. He just juked Patriots out of their shoes when they attacked him.

I don't think Wilson wanted to run. I think he knew his best chance of winning the game was to make plays down field. And it almost worked.

 

[Plankton]

Wilson was not impressive at all in this game. He was throwing a lot of jump balls hoping his guy makes a play for him. The Lockett catch was amazing catch but he was well covered with safety help.

You keep Wilson in the pocket and takes away the run you have a good chance to beat him.

One play in the third quarter, if made by Jermaine Kearse, dramatically changes the narrative here.

On 3rd and 2 at the Patriot 47, with 1:12 left in the third, Seahawks leading 24-14, Wilson lofts a perfect pass toward the left sideline at the Patriot 15 yard line. Kearse drops the ball. If that catch is made, the Seahawks are in prime scoring position to possibly go up three scores. If they punch in a TD there, it would have been very hard for the Patriots to win the game. Instead, they punt the ball back to New England, and the rest, as they say is history.

Wilson played well in this game. Look at the WRs he's throwing to - literally that is the worst WR corps in the league. Their top two WRs and their starting TE combined for four catches, literally because they couldn't get open. Despite that, Wilson had his team in position to win the game before his coaching staff lost their minds, and he threw a poor ball.

 

[KJJ]

Must be nice not to have any blame or labels placed on you when you make a mistake. If Romo makes that INT we are all talking about Romo and his mistakes. But since its Russell Wilson, noones talking about him, but rather Carroll and the play call. I guess the 50+ pass calling plays that he used to have to throw in years past puts tremendous pressure on Romo to succeed or else.

Wilson just completed his 3rd season and has 2 SB appearances under his belt with one win. Two weeks ago he led the Seahawks to an improbable comeback in the final 4 minutes of the NFC title game. He's built a great reputation and isn't going to receive any negative label for one big mistake when he's accomplished so much in only 3 years. Had Romo led the Cowboys to 2 SB's in his first 3 seasons and had a SB win under his belt he wouldn't have any negative labels. If Romo makes that same mistake Wilson made yesterday naturally he would receive a lot of blame because he's having to overcome a stigma that took several years for him to create.

 

[windward]

Yep - I've learned my lesson in here. A Super Bowl buys you A LOT of house money with fans. You can virtually do no wrong the rest of your career.

It's funny though when some people use that as an actual justification to. It doesn't lessen or minimize the mistake made. But Super Bowls distort perceptions, even to the point where some fans think Eli Manning is a Hall of Fame QB.

 

[Miller]

I said this last night and I'm perfectly fine if people disagree but I find Wilson pedestrian at best. Last night he probably made 3-4 pretty throws or what I'd call NFL throws. Most of his game in my book is P for K down the field in a wing and a prayer hoping to get penalty or a great catch. Just up for grabs. I give him the most credit outside the pocket but overall I think Romo is way better as an overall QB. Most here know I like Romo but haven't been an apologist. He's done some dumb things. But overall at QB he is better than Wilson and I think Wilson will always be "meh."

 

[KJJ]

A player isn't going to get a negative reputation by making one big mistake when they've accomplished what Wilson has accomplished the past 3 seasons. He doesn't have a history of making huge mistakes like we saw yesterday. It takes repeated big mistakes for a player to create a stigma for themselves.

 

[Bullflop]

I think some of the difference between the public perception of Wilson as compared to Romo comes from Romo being drafted as a free agent and Wilson having been a 3rd round pick. Romo was saddled with plenty of doubt right from the outset, largely due to his FA status, whereas Wilson had the benefit of far better standing in the minds of fans who count draft status as being highly meaningful. It's extremely tough to overcome that stigma. Coming from a status of being an UDFA leaves many looking for any perceived flaw they can mentally concoct.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

Getting a little tired of the obligatory "if Romo would have done that" thread every time a QB makes a bad play.

 

[camelboy]

Timing wise.. that was a Romo-esque pass LOL

 

[Gameover]

Sorry, that's just not something I'm prepared to take from you. I watched that season, too.

But you're blinded to Romo's failures.

How about the 2012 winner take all finale @ skins?

I know the defense was terrible that year, and the D had given up a whopping 18 points at that point in the game(and I know anything more than a safety is bad D when it comes to Romo with you guys) but what if he doesn't throw that interception and he leads the team to a victory?

Then you would be looking at an MVP candidate and a sure fire HOF.

Instead, you guys have to talk about how good he is despite his horrible defense, When he's been in situations where he could've lifted everybody in the organization to greater heights, but he's failed every time.

Even in this packer game we had the dropped snap on 3rd&1. How about the sack on 2nd&8?

Defense fault? I know

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

"Wilscum"

Typo?

deliberate

 

[Gameover]

Change Romo's play caller and we go 12-4... Notice how he didn't force much when he was given more control in the offense.

I agree with this! I actually think he had less control tho.

 

[Clove]

It kind of shocks me. I don't see what everybody else sees in Wilson. I see a capable guy who's got a good, positive personality and the best situation in football. But he's been a liability the last two games. And it's a mistake to pay him a mega-deal, too. That SEA team wins because of it's defense, and specifically because of it's secondary. It's bizarre to me that that somehow buys the QB a mulligan or three when it comes to evaluating his play in these big games.

You mean like the 324 yards passing and 4 TDs they gave up to Brady and the pats? You do know that Wilson had a better QB rating in that game and percentage to Brady right? Since this is how we Judge our QB around here, they would point to that rating and say Romo was better than Brady but since it's Wilson.

By the way, Wilson had them in perfect position to win that game against the superior Tom Brady, how does he do that. People aren't willing to admit that his style is unorthodox and that the guy is just a flat out gamer and winner. Did he choke, of course he did. But I'd rather choke at the very end of a game against a team who's supposed to be superior to you, and it's the last play basically in the last game of the season, vs choking not making the playoffs for years and years, and cant' even make it to the NFC championship game.

It hurts to hear, but the truth always hurts.

 

[KJJ]

Getting a little tired of the obligatory "if Romo would have done that" thread every time a QB makes a bad play.

It gets tiring when it's a QB who's accomplished a lot more than Romo. We've seen the same threads when Peyton Manning and Tom Brady have made big mistakes. They get a pass but Tony doesn't and FANS get upset about it. They can't seem to understand these QB's have a lot of skins on their wall which earns them a pass. All QB's make mistakes but when they have a lot of playoff wins and a championship under their belt one big mistake in a huge game isn't going to change the perception the fans and media have of them.

 

[Clove]

Winning is overrated, it's about how you win.

 

[ringmaster]

You just made the OP's point..

That's how it is with Romo.
He can have 4000 pass attempts and people will recall the handful that went wrong and never forget it.
He can absolutely carry the team, lead them to more comeback wins than almost any QB in history, but if he makes a mistake (even in a fairly meaningless non-division game), it lives on forever and he somehow single handedly lost everything...maybe even world peace.

True and his 506 yds 5TDs 1INT is a prime example of this.

 

[ringmaster]

Same with that pass play. It happens. I can hear Cowboy Nation in my sleep "why aren't we running the ball from the one?".

Exactly the double standards are simply amazing as for Seattle they really blew it and if I'm Lynch, I would really evaluate if I want to remain with that team after that ridiculous play call when Lynch was killing the Pats all game long and at the 1 they pass and it get intercepted epic fail in the annals of Super Bowl history.

 

[DallasInDC]

It's funny though when some people use that as an actual justification to. It doesn't lessen or minimize the mistake made. But Super Bowls distort perceptions, even to the point where some fans think Eli Manning is a Hall of Fame QB.

I just saying last night, before the int., watch the offseason and preseason rankings the media will have Wilson as a top 5 QB solely because he appeared in 2 SB and won 1. In reality, he is probably a top 10 QB and would never sniff a SB if he was on another team.

 

[BoysfanfromCanada]

Wilson had a combined 4 or 5 completed throws in the first half of the SB and NFC championship games, yet remained in the games both times. You think Romo could do the same and not be down by at least 17 points? Russel just has to try and not lose games with the D he had. Romo doesn't have the same luxury