Pettiti not the answer at RT...

[AbeBeta]

Barber did very well except for the botched flea flicker pitch.

Let's give Barber props for getting on that ball though -- I though he showed good smarts on both the botched trick plays.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I agree on Barber and Pettiti, although, I didn't like the fact that Barber layed the ball down again. To me, what hurt was execution in the Red Zone and our seeming inability to get pressure in the last 5 minutes. I mean, the INT on Bledsoe goes without saying but the fact that we even had to rely on Cortez to kick is deplorible.

Also, Bledsoe took way too many sacks. The fact that he wouldn't throw the ball away really hurt us in this game. Those who say, he stands in and makes plays may be correct but in this game, I think this was a huge hinderance.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Great post.......So Rob had a sub par game...I say so what!....Name a NFL player who hasn't. I have no doubt Rob will work through it.

People sometimes must forget he is a rookie.

 

[SDogo]

problem is that they are NOT young.

Defensively we are. On offense dirt may be younger.

 

[AbeBeta]

Also, Bledsoe took way too many sacks.

Disagree, kind of. I agree that Bledsoe was sacked too much. However, in the past Bledsoe was criticized for holding the ball too long, resulting in sacks. That is, he would take a sack when his line gave him initially solid protection.

What I saw yesterday was a line that didn't give Drew long enough to do anything. Those sacks were about the line, not Drew.

 

[Hiero]

Defensively we are. On offense dirt may be younger.

I agree for the most part, but we did have tucker johnson petitti playing. Our offense needs a big draft in 06 if we are to compete for anything that year.

 

[jem88]

Allen to RT, Gurode or Peterman back to guard. It has to be done.

As well as Glenn and Price in the defensive nickel package, right? Thank God we have options!

 

[Dallas4ever]

One poor game obviously doesn't make a guy a bum or bust but I'm a little concerned with his positioning technique and strength. He's too big of a guy to be bull rushed like he was on yesterday. He's just a young rookie and he doesn't know yet how good he is. He'll improve by hitting the weights and understanding that as an OT in the NFL....you have to be the aggressor.

 

[InDakWeTrust]

One poor game obviously doesn't make a guy a bum or bust but I'm a little concerned with his positioning technique and strength. He's too big of a guy to be bull rushed like he was on yesterday. He's just a young rookie and he doesn't know yet how good he is. He'll improve by hitting the weights and understanding that as an OT in the NFL....you have to be the aggressor.

You are right. But to play in the NFL you must show something. He can run block but a solid starting RT should be able to hold is block for 3 seconds on a pass play. Sure it is ok to get beat by someone like a Kearse or Strahan, but Bryce Fisher, who just has speed and no strength two sacks? Didnt we start a virtual rookie at center last year? Did he get chip help on every pass play from a RB or a TE? No AlJ didnt. Although he is a center he showed he could get to the LB on running plays and hold his own on passing plays. Rob has talent. He is what he is, a RT who struggles in pass pro. He plays way too upright and leans, shown by Fisher ripping underneath for a sack. Pettiti IMO could be solid a few years down the road with good coaching but not if we want to win this year. He is a rookie and shows potential but we cannot give help to him every play. If he wants to start next year he must get stronger, lose even more weight and work on his technique. I am pulling for the kid but based on yesterday he shows he cant be any better than Tucker or Vollers. Please Rob prove me wrong.

 

[Hostile]

let me set the record straight.

i don't wear rose colored glasses nor do i take offense to negative posting. i know rob has worked extremely hard for this opportunity and will work even harder to improve his play. rob played poorly yesterday and those saying so are correct. however, he played pretty well the previous two weeks. i'm not worried about rob because he has already done more this year than i thought he would. i'm not bothered by those who say he is not the answer, i'm only concerned if parcells says he is not the answer at rt.

so please feel free to post whatever you like, but just remember rob is busting his butt to play the best he can. if that turns out to be sub par than i expect the team to make an adjustment which will hurt far worse than anything said here.

Mr. Pettiti, you've got class.

I do not agree with the assessment that Rob had a bad game. I really don't. I think Fisher had the game of his life. That happens in the NFL. I've gone back and watched some of the game again. Rob was not off balance and he was not getting wrong footed. I seriously doubt Fisher could do that to him again.

I'm not going to say he played great, but the idea he isn't the answer at RT for this team just doesn't fly with me. I see a kid working his fanny off. There are going to be bad games. He'll learn from them. Tell him to take it personally and to make it his mission this week to make the AZ LDE pay.

 

[Chuck 54]

Mr. Pettiti, you've got class.

I do not agree with the assessment that Rob had a bad game. I really don't. I think Fisher had the game of his life. That happens in the NFL. I've gone back and watched some of the game again. Rob was not off balance and he was not getting wrong footed. I seriously doubt Fisher could do that to him again.

I'm not going to say he played great, but the idea he isn't the answer at RT for this team just doesn't fly with me. I see a kid working his fanny off. There are going to be bad games. He'll learn from them. Tell him to take it personally and to make it his mission this week to make the AZ LDE pay.

Wow....I support Pettitti too, HOs, but to suggest he didn't have a bad game yesterday is really a stretch. Like his dad, I never expected a 7th round draft pick to start at RT for us, and like every other rookie, we have to live with his growing pains, but over the next few years it will pay dividends.

However, Parcells even said that right now RT is a bigger concern than LT based on yesterday's performances...that's saying a great deal, though some of that may have been part of his mental games.

Very few OL come into the NFL with the strength needed to play the game...Pettitti will be an entirely different guy next season in both run and pass blocking.

 

[Hostile]

Wow....I support Pettitti too, HOs, but to suggest he didn't have a bad game yesterday is really a stretch. Like his dad, I never expected a 7th round draft pick to start at RT for us, and like every other rookie, we have to live with his growing pains, but over the next few years it will pay dividends.

However, Parcells even said that right now RT is a bigger concern than LT based on yesterday's performances...that's saying a great deal, though some of that may have been part of his mental games.

Very few OL come into the NFL with the strength needed to play the game...Pettitti will be an entirely different guy next season in both run and pass blocking.

Wayne, I didn't say he had a good game. I said Fisher had an outstanding game. He had a bad game, but a big part of it was the guy across the line. Give credit where it is due.

 

[Chuck 54]

Wayne, I didn't say he had a good game. I said Fisher had an outstanding game. He had a bad game, but a big part of it was the guy across the line. Give credit where it is due.

I agree, and I'll give Fisher credit, but when your opponent looks like a probowler for the first time all season (according to the announcers), they are taking a swipe at your guy for being below par. Rookies are going to make mistakes and they're going to stink it up from time to time...but it really shows and hurts when your rookie is a QB, OT, or CB.

 

[Doomsdayblitz]

Come on, folks. The guy comes in & plays fairly well, & you crown him the next Pace. Then he has a couple of bad games, & he's just not cut out for the NFL. Look, the kid is a rookie trying to learn the NFL game. Teams have had a chance to get some tape on him, so they can game plan him. Also, since Adams went down, they had to split help between him and Tucker.

Like was said up above, deal with the mistakes, the learning process, and let him hit the weights and machines in the off season. He never had to do that in college. Give him a couple of years in the weight room & running gassers, and experiencing all the different moves from opposing DEs, & you'll see a different player.

Rob Pettiti possesses things that Parcells recognized right away, even through the fat: Heart, determination, skill, and a mean streak. He has shown quicker feet since his weight loss, and will improve in that area over time. He didn't shut down Kiwi, Tuck, and Freeney in college because he lacked what it took. Give him time-he will be our RT the next 10 yrs.

 

[Hostile]

I agree, and I'll give Fisher credit, but when your opponent looks like a probowler for the first time all season (according to the announcers), they are taking a swipe at your guy for being below par. Rookies are going to make mistakes and they're going to stink it up from time to time...but it really shows and hurts when your rookie is a QB, OT, or CB.

I agree with this Wayne. I don't expect him to be Eric Williams right away. He is a rookie. He did have a bad game. Part of the reason he had a bad game is because Fisher played out of his mind. I guarantee you he couldn't do that every week.

I think Pettiti will be fine. 2 weeks ago he stonewalled Jevon Kearse and people sang his praises. Rightly so. Yesterday he had a bad game and people point fingers at him. Again, rightly so.

Even his Dad admitted he had a bad game. I just don't think it was so bad that it exposed him in some way that every team is going to exploit. No way in hell that happens. The kid is a good player. He'll survive yesterday better than I will.

 

[InDakWeTrust]

I agree with this Wayne. I don't expect him to be Eric Williams right away. He is a rookie. He did have a bad game. Part of the reason he had a bad game is because Fisher played out of his mind. I guarantee you he couldn't do that every week.

I think Pettiti will be fine. 2 weeks ago he stonewalled Jevon Kearse and people sang his praises. Rightly so. Yesterday he had a bad game and people point fingers at him. Again, rightly so.

Even his Dad admitted he had a bad game. I just don't think it was so bad that it exposed him in some way that every team is going to exploit. No way in hell that happens. The kid is a good player. He'll survive yesterday better than I will.

Pettiti struggles against an average DE yet plays to the level of his competition, ala Tucker of last year. He is a rook but needs to step up his game and show he doesnt need a chip on every passing down.

 

[Hostile]

Pettiti struggles against an average DE yet plays to the level of his competition, ala Tucker of last year. He is a rook but needs to step up his game and show he doesnt need a chip on every passing down.

Tell me he's still doing this after his rookie year and I'll worry.

By year's end I expect him to have silenced a lot of questions. Very few Rookies dominate on the OL. I have high expectations for him, but they're realistic.

 

[InDakWeTrust]

There is one reason why I dont think he is the answer, and that is that he isnt the player BP really wants at RT. It seems as tho he is going to a more mobile RT who can pull/get to LB's on the stretch play for JJ.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

There is one reason why I dont think he is the answer, and that is that he isnt the player BP really wants at RT. It seems as tho he is going to a more mobile RT who can pull/get to LB's on the stretch play for JJ.

And you know what Bill really wants in a RT?

Bill LOVES this kid, he scouted him, drafted him and is nurturing him.

Petitti is the anti-Rogers, played with that terrible ankle injury this summer, with a busted vein and blood seeping into his leg. Lost a ton of weight and has shown steady progress. Has demonstated the mental toughness and physical resolve to be a true Parcells Guy.

One freaking poor outing, totally understandable for any rookie, does not negate the fact that Tuna has made it quite clear this kid is considered part of this team's future.

Tuna is concerned about rt now, but after seeing how long it took for Gurode and Tucker to get a clue, Petitti isn't going to get time to develop?

 

[InDakWeTrust]

And you know what Bill really wants in a RT?

Bill LOVES this kid, he scouted him, drafted him and is nurturing him.

Petitti is the anti-Rogers, played with that terrible ankle injury this summer, with a busted vein and blood seeping into his leg. Lost a ton of weight and has shown steady progress. Has demonstated the mental toughness and physical resolve to be a true Parcells Guy.

One freaking poor outing, totally understandable for any rookie, does not negate the fact that Tuna has made it quite clear this kid is considered part of this team's future.

Tuna is concerned about rt now, but after seeing how long it took for Gurode and Tucker to get a clue, Petitti isn't going to get time to develop?

I dont know what BP wants in him but look at BP's picks of Olineman. Rogers, Peterman and AlJ all are more mobile and can get to the 2nd level of defenders. Pettiti can play with injuries (unlike Rogers) physically he isnt as strong as the typical RT yet isnt as mobile as a LT. He is a rookie but Fisher looked like a Pro-Bowler. A sack allowed is okay but two?

I like him but with Rivera struggling and no TE/RB help shows his weaknesses, a speed rush and blitz pickup. The stunt seems to confuse him. Speed seems to get him on his heels, thus forcing him to lunge and get beat for a sack. Although he shut Freeney down in college. DF has come a long way. Pettiti is a typical RT in the making but he needs a offense similar to Seattles which allows him to block for only a 3 step drop. By the end of the year I really hope he steps up and shuts down Little when we play the Rams. By that game we should figure out how he has progressed.