PFT: Brett Favre: Don’t blame Tony Romo for lack of playoff wins

[Boyzmamacita]

Really, you too? I often put on Troy Aikman and Roger games to see how "real" QBs perform in crunch time.

Yeah, about "QCar", well, according to the Romo apologists (I mean "real Cowboys fans"), there are only two kinds of QBs...Quincy Carter types and the great Tony Romo. Dallas will never have a decent QB after Romo.

I root for Tony Romo, because I wish for the success of the Dallas Cowboys, NOT because I have a man crush on Romo and turn a blind eye to his choke jobs. I do not absolve Romo of his mistakes just to piss off "the haters" when I know full well he played a significant role in costing the team the game. I honestly believe some fans would rather Romo pad his stats than the team have a successful season....oh, I am referring to the "real fans", you know, the ones who blame everyone else on the team, including the ball boy for Boy Wonder's choke jobs.

That's better than blaming one player and absolving everyone else.

 

[popp1234]

That's better than blaming one player and absolving everyone else.

Never said it was ALL Romo's fault....

If your glide path is mediocrity, then everyone has a piece of that awful tasting pie; let's not give Romo's slice to someone else.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

I agree with Favre to an extent, but at the same time your best players have to play their best in big games, Romo hasnt been able to elevate his play in big games. Last year vs Washington is a perfect example of him playing great down the stretch than turning in a dog of a game when it mattered.

Would you rather him play awful down the stretch so that there is no "when it mattered" in the first place? The problem with lazy people who think in a straight line is that they rely on terms like "when it matters most" and "lights shine bright" and other stupid terms. Romo hasn't even played in a big game in 4 years, despite the best attempt of Romo haters to transform every possible game into one of them.

 

[5Stars]

Never said it was ALL Romo's fault....

If your glide path is mediocrity, then everyone has a piece of that awful tasting pie; let's not give Romo's slice to someone else.

Boy Wonder, huh?

Aside from Romo, who else is eating that awful tasting pie?

 

[5Stars]

Would you rather him play awful down the stretch so that there is no "when it mattered" in the first place? The problem with lazy people who think in a straight line is that they rely on terms like "when it matters most" and "lights shine bright" and other stupid terms. Romo hasn't even played in a big game in 4 years, despite the best attempt of Romo haters to transform every possible game into one of them.

Many posters don't realize that football is a dynamic game, not static like they want to think.

But, then again, I doubt that many of those same posters even know the difference between dynamic and static.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I agree that it is a team game but when the qb eats up 20% of the cap he gets oversized credit and blame. Romo wants to be paid as a top 10 player he should earn it

One could argue that Romo should get paid double that. He has almost single handidly had us in playoff contention or the playoffs EVERY year he has started and been healthy. And all of it behind one of the worst Olines in the NFL, two below average to horrible coaches in Wade and Garrett, no run game to speak of, and a bad defense. His talents and his career has basically been ruined thanks to Jerry Jones and his puppet coaches.

When he had a good Oline and a solid run game his team went 13-3 that year. There is a direct correlation.

 

[gbrittain]

One could argue that Romo should get paid double that. He has almost single handidly had us in playoff contention or the playoffs EVERY year he has started and been healthy. And all of it behind one of the worst Olines in the NFL, two below average to horrible coaches in Wade and Garrett, no run game to speak of, and a bad defense. His talents and his career has basically been ruined thanks to Jerry Jones and his puppet coaches.

When he had a good Oline and a solid run game his team went 13-3 that year. There is a direct correlation.

What amazes me is many of the same Romo critics show up in bash Jerry threads..."no team in the NFL would hire Jerry the GM", "He is a doofus", "He can't draft" and on and on and on.

But in the Romo threads...."Look at Romo's playoff record" and blah, blah, blah.

So which is it. Should Tony Romo be winning with the team Jerry has built or does Jerry stink and has not given Romo the tools he needs to be successful?

 

[burmafrd]

Yea yea yea. it's all the defense fault. or it's all the O-Line's fault. or it's the WR's running the wrong pattern. or it's the ball being slick. the excuses for this guy never end.

I am going to laugh so hard if Barkley is not picked in the first round. THinking of you and laughing and laughing and laughing

 

[ElGatoGrande]

Having to carry a bad football team for years on end exposes a QB's personal limitations, but the low-information fan that blames the team's lack of success on Romo just doesn't understand the game.

 

[DFWJC]

Having to carry a bad football team for years on end exposes a QB's personal limitations, but the low-information fan that blames the team's lack of success on Romo just doesn't understand the game.

Well put.

 

[Primetime42]

What amazes me is many of the same Romo critics show up in bash Jerry threads..."no team in the NFL would hire Jerry the GM", "He is a doofus", "He can't draft" and on and on and on.

But in the Romo threads...."Look at Romo's playoff record" and blah, blah, blah.

So which is it. Should Tony Romo be winning with the team Jerry has built or does Jerry stink and has not given Romo the tools he needs to be successful?

We have reached a paradox. The universe will soon implode.

 

[Miller]

Having to carry a bad football team for years on end exposes a QB's personal limitations, but the low-information fan that blames the team's lack of success on Romo just doesn't understand the game.

Again, I'll preface this with I'm a Romo fan and have defended the guy. but I also like to call myself "Independent" in these matters and objective.

So he has had to carry the team but his bad mistakes in the playoffs vs Seattle or in failing in clutch needed games don't matter? Did the team that got the bye not have talent?

So if he can carry a team from bottom dwellers to .500 then why are people saying that he can't take a team to the playoffs by himself? Afterall you just said he can carry a team and win games by himself?

That is what is so alarming about these arguments. People are so extreme and name call about the fans knowledge. Yet these same name callers have no clue about how to be objective.

Objectively Romo puts up great numbers and is a top 12 QB who helps us because of our horrible line. But he does have talented WRs and a TE. He does well behind that line and overall there aren't many QBs you can go get that will do as well besides the elite guys. BUT also objectively, he has made horrible mistakes in games where the season is on the line. He has brain fart games where he will take a victory and make it a defeat...Lions game and others 2 years back. That is what you get. Great with a 2 cent brain at the worst times. That is reality. That is what happens. That is why there is disputes. Both sides have ammo. Where this gets us, I have no idea. He needs to take better care of the ball and the team needs to take pressure off him having to chuck it 50 times. Will that mean he'll get over the top? Not sure. You hope. In this age of parity and the cap you can't surround a guy with a perfect team. If they get him a line you can't blame WRs routes all day and RBs or the defense. At some point it will continue to all on him. I'm not sure when that line will merge though to where we get a true, clear picture.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

Again, I'll preface this with I'm a Romo fan and have defended the guy. but I also like to call myself "Independent" in these matters and objective.

So he has had to carry the team but his bad mistakes in the playoffs vs Seattle or in failing in clutch needed games don't matter? Did the team that got the bye not have talent?

So if he can carry a team from bottom dwellers to .500 then why are people saying that he can't take a team to the playoffs by himself? Afterall you just said he can carry a team and win games by himself?

That is what is so alarming about these arguments. People are so extreme and name call about the fans knowledge. Yet these same name callers have no clue about how to be objective.

Objectively Romo puts up great numbers and is a top 12 QB who helps us because of our horrible line. But he does have talented WRs and a TE. He does well behind that line and overall there aren't many QBs you can go get that will do as well besides the elite guys. BUT also objectively, he has made horrible mistakes in games where the season is on the line. He has brain fart games where he will take a victory and make it a defeat...Lions game and others 2 years back. That is what you get. Great with a 2 cent brain at the worst times. That is reality. That is what happens. That is why there is disputes. Both sides have ammo. Where this gets us, I have no idea. He needs to take better care of the ball and the team needs to take pressure off him having to chuck it 50 times. Will that mean he'll get over the top? Not sure. You hope. In this age of parity and the cap you can't surround a guy with a perfect team. If they get him a line you can't blame WRs routes all day and RBs or the defense. At some point it will continue to all on him. I'm not sure when that line will merge though to where we get a true, clear picture.

So, is having CRAP for protection and CRAP for a running game and a defense that can't keep the other team under 24pts a good excuse or not? This team has its QB walking the high-wire with zero room for error and then the unwashed masses want to replace him when he makes mistakes under extreme duress.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Having to carry a bad football team for years on end exposes a QB's personal limitations, but the low-information fan that blames the team's lack of success on Romo just doesn't understand the game.

I would add that the "low information fan" that doesn't think that Romo has in any way contributed to this team's lack of success also must not understand the game.

 

[DFWJC]

Don't look now, but I think I just saw someone use the Special Teams place-kicking muffed hold in the Seattle game back in 2006 as evidence to doubt Tony Romo playing the Quarterback postion in 2013.

Just...wow

 

[Miller]

So, is having CRAP for protection and CRAP for a running game and a defense that can't keep the other team under 24pts a good excuse or not? This team has its QB walking the high-wire with zero room for error and then the unwashed masses want to replace him when he makes mistakes under extreme duress.

What years? It's not always that way. And he's made the same brain farts in those years too. Last year you can't call the defense crap when it was on the field for half the games keeping us in games while the offense sputtered. I put a lot of that on Garrett. But people around here seem to keep things in a simple vacuum and look at stats and go with it. The D's numbers don't stand out but there were plenty of games were the offense didn't do a thing until the 4th quarter. So is the defense supposed to be on the field all day and expect to be fresh at the wire? You can play this game with the team. The oline is one of the only areas where most agree...they were horrible. If you read my post the point was to be objective on what is really happening. AGAIN, I'm glad we have him but people need to step back and look at what has happened all the years he has been here. Same mistakes. Whether you put that on him, say it happens to all QBs, etc, etc, you can't excuse it away. YES, he needs help, and I explained that. I just refuse to make a million excuses for his own mistakes also. Great QB skill, great that we have him, but he is PART of the problem also. It doesn't have to be so far left or right. I just find it funny that I hear he can't so it alone and its a team game and then people say he single handedly kept us at .500. Which is it?

Don't look now, but I think I just saw someone use the Special Teams place-kicking muffed hold in the Seattle game back in 2006 as evidence to doubt Tony Romo playing the Quarterback postion in 2013.

Just...wow

And did you miss your RIF class today?

Dear Lord, reading comprehension people. I just sat there and said he is a top QB and I'm a fan. What I said is he is prone to brain farts. I didn't say the snap had anything to do with being a QB. I said it was part of his legacy. Its the truth and excusing it is just being ignorant. If there is a faction of the fanbase who can't be objective and who will make excuses, I can't help that, that is your own ignorance on the topic. I'm trying to have an opinion that sees both sides of the coin where I can sit back and try and judge if Romo is a guy who can take us to the promised land. Are mistakes like the snap, interceptions in critical games, etc part of his DNA or has he been getting screwed all these years? It's somewhere in between and until people realize that, we will see 50 more of these threads where people act like their opinion is so much better than everyone elses. Thanks for the exhibit.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Don't look now, but I think I just saw someone use the Special Teams place-kicking muffed hold in the Seattle game back in 2006 as evidence to doubt Tony Romo playing the Quarterback postion in 2013.

Just...wow

LOL... they do it all the time. But it just goes to show how little they have when trying to validate the Romo "big game" myths. The other ploy is to transform early season, non-division games in to "big games". And of course the most famous creation, "win or go home". It all adds up to a nice fantasy land for the typical Romo hater.

 

[cowboyeric8]

You both should mellow out. We're all fans here. :starspin

I have my doubts some days

 

[Miller]

LOL... they do it all the time. But it just goes to show how little they have when trying to validate the Romo "big game" myths. The other ploy is to transform early season, non-division games in to "big games". And of course the most famous creation, "win or go home". It all adds up to a nice fantasy land for the typical Romo hater.

Again, try objectivity. Try losing the ridiculous terms "hater" because you come across as a homer and fan boy. Also, do some real evaluation and see both sides. It would help this board if both sides did this. What is so hard in seeing that Romo giveth and Romo taketh away. That is what he does. Great talent!Great QB at times. Makes plays. Also messes up in critical times.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

Primarily you have to blame his secondary.
Then his OL.
Then his RB.
Then his WR.

Romo is not worth his contract IMO, but he is not the #1 reason for the TEAM failures in the post-season.