PFT-Florio: On officiating concerns, Jerry Jones misses the point (perhaps deliberately)

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So if the gamblers can afford to lose money, it's okay to have crappy officiating?
I was responding to another post.

There are WAY too many rules now that are completely ambiguous. It's impossible to call a game correctly in any consistent manner.

They need to reduce the rule book by about 50%, and get things back to a state of logic.
 

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I was responding to another post.

There are WAY too many rules now that are completely ambiguous. It's impossible to call a game correctly in any consistent manner.

They need to reduce the rule book by about 50%, and get things back to a state of logic.
Yeah, some of the rules, and the specifics of them seem arbitrary and unnecessary, when your experience growing up tells you what is and isn't a catch, holding, etc. Unfortunately, when enough fans feel like they were robbed, the league needs to try to use iron clad wording in the rule book.
 

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It's all about the league generating maximum revenue there has to be a human element involved so they can manipulate certain games for maximum revenue down the road.

Anybody who thinks that in 2023 with all the electronic advancements and the money the NFL has to spend that every call couldn't be gotten right and in an expedient manner is just a fool.

They don't want full-time refs they don't want consistent replay so every call is right.

Last week for instance you knew the eagles were going to lose to the 49ers if the eagles won for all intents and purposes they would have locked up the number one seed and all the rest of the games for the niners Cowboys and Detroit along with the eagles would have lost viewing audience.
Now this week when the Cowboys beat the eagles 49ers beat the Seahawks and the Lions beat the bears.

Everyone's tied up at 10-3 and all the games for the division leaders are important right up to the end of the season just like the league wants it so expect some horrifying calls this weekend to get those results
 

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Are they not a private enterprise and can determine what they will or won't have governing their games? I'm no conspiracy guy or anything but human error causing occasional "outrage" is good for ratings.
I have my tin foil hat strapped on like a crash helmet and what's good for ratings is making every game important and the human error left to the officials is what enables the league to manipulate games and make as many of them important as possible to maximize revenue.

If this were not the case there would be a set of officials on the field and a set of officials in the booth everyone with a monitor watching the quarterback the offensive line wide receiver secondary there would be more officials behind monitors than there would be on the field looking at every single matchup on every single play so that it was guaranteed to get everything right

It would be very easy to do that in today's day and age instead we officiate like we're in the 60s to manipulate the games and I don't mean all of the games because they all don't need to be manipulated but some do to create maximum revenue
 

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I have my tin foil hat strapped on like a crash helmet and what's good for ratings is making every game important and the human error left to the officials is what enables the league to manipulate games and make as many of them important as possible to maximize revenue.

If this were not the case there would be a set of officials on the field and a set of officials in the booth everyone with a monitor watching the quarterback the offensive line wide receiver secondary there would be more officials behind monitors than there would be on the field looking at every single matchup on every single play so that it was guaranteed to get everything right

It would be very easy to do that in today's day and age instead we officiate like we're in the 60s to manipulate the games and I don't mean all of the games because they all don't need to be manipulated but some do to create maximum revenue
Yeah, I think you're just confusing not updating to keep controversy going versus using refs to manipulate games, the latter of which I've said before just leaves far too much to chance. Rationally-speaking, the best way to manipulate games is to get to the QBs. Neil O'Donnell followed orders perfectly back in our last Super Bowl. It's really funny to me that with all the creative plots and plans people come up with that this is never a consideration because it's the shortest path to the desired outcome. But when is conspiracy ever rational? Lol.
 

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Yeah, I think you're just confusing not updating to keep controversy going versus using refs to manipulate games, the latter of which I've said before just leaves far too much to chance. Rationally-speaking, the best way to manipulate games is to get to the QBs. Neil O'Donnell followed orders perfectly back in our last Super Bowl. It's really funny to me that with all the creative plots and plans people come up with that this is never a consideration because it's the shortest path to the desired outcome. But when is conspiracy ever rational? Lol.
Never totally rational I think maybe I strapped my tin foil hat on too tight.
I'll loosen it up and take a breath
 

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Yeah, I think you're just confusing not updating to keep controversy going versus using refs to manipulate games, the latter of which I've said before just leaves far too much to chance. Rationally-speaking, the best way to manipulate games is to get to the QBs. Neil O'Donnell followed orders perfectly back in our last Super Bowl. It's really funny to me that with all the creative plots and plans people come up with that this is never a consideration because it's the shortest path to the desired outcome. But when is conspiracy ever rational? Lol.
Very true it is a short path using the quarterback but I believe it's the league that's doing this and the quarterback is paid by the franchise and the officials are paid by the league I believe.

So I'm figuring the quarterback's loyalty is to his teammates and the franchise and it would make it a little more difficult morally for him to do that not the people won't do anything for the right amount of money.

But the officials already work for the league they're just doing what they're told by their boss they have no teammates to hurt.
 

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There could be legal liability if the integrity of the games results were in question. Not to mention the pressure from Congress to uphold their Antitrust status.

The risk of compromising their revenue streams could also become a legal issue.

And why I wouldn’t say there wouldn’t be any legal concerns. Basically it all revolves around the NFL pledge and insistence on the Integrity of the games.
From what I understand, the NFL is allowed to fix games if they wanted to. I don't know if they're required to tell you one way or the other.
 

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I think the betting world may force he hand of the NFL to employ full time refs. Even if the product stays the same, it shows the bettors that they are trying to rectify the problem.
Full time refs is not the issue. The game is too fast for the officials. There’s really no way to put more officials out there so technology is the only way to fix some of it, some can’t be fixed with technology. These QB roughing, PI penalties that can be so game changing would be easy to review. That doesn’t fix missed penalties but I don’t think anyone really wants penalties called by tech
 

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But the NFL wanted to legalize the gambling, and it benefits them. They have a responsibility to put out an honest and fair product. It's akin to a casino having loaded dice or brakes on the roulette wheels.
They did that not because they made money directly. It's more fans, more interest. Gamblers will gamble. The primary fans are those who watch for entertainment purposes
 

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Very true it is a short path using the quarterback but I believe it's the league that's doing this and the quarterback is paid by the franchise and the officials are paid by the league I believe.

So I'm figuring the quarterback's loyalty is to his teammates and the franchise and it would make it a little more difficult morally for him to do that not the people won't do anything for the right amount of money.

But the officials already work for the league they're just doing what they're told by their boss they have no teammates to hurt.
The whole concept of refs being on the take is that there's lots of money at play and that humanity is corrupt when it comes to money. You employ a QB to do your dirty work and there's 5 or 6 less guys to pay so you can potentially give them more. Plus, less people know about your scheme so there's less people to keep quiet. Plus, there's less people to find your scheme objectionable than an entire 7-person ref crew. So if humanity is corrupt when it comes to money, what's this "loyalty" or "morally" you speak of? That's double talk. Don't half-step on a 'spiracy, bro. Go full throttle.
 

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There's no question but what too many games are subject to the refs taking too much upon themselves to control things. That needs to be rectified by the refs being professionally trained in their jobs and their ways in performing. Far too many bad mistakes are being tolerated. The players and their teams deserve better judgment and consideration. The refs' decisions drastically affect coaches and players' jobs in each and every game.
 
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The whole concept of refs being on the take is that there's lots of money at play and that humanity is corrupt when it comes to money. You employ a QB to do your dirty work and there's 5 or 6 less guys to pay so you can potentially give them more. Plus, less people know about your scheme so there's less people to keep quiet. Plus, there's less people to find your scheme objectionable than an entire 7-person ref crew. So if humanity is corrupt when it comes to money, what's this "loyalty" or "morally" you speak of? That's double talk. Don't half-step on a 'spiracy, bro. Go full throttle.
Now brother I'm just spitballing here but the quarterback's job is mainly playing football with his teammates and I kind of feel like his teammates are important to him in that he doesn't want to hurt their salaries by throwing games and costing them money down the road.

That said the referees work for the league and I wouldn't be surprised if the league paints it as it's entertainment and it's part of their job to manipulate the entertainment for maximum revenue.
 

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Jerry: “We know there’s judgment,” Jones said. “And we know it can be wrong. And, really, is wrong a lot. The idea of getting it ‘right,’ quote, with all that’s at stake. It can be right, if you all agree that we’re gonna go on that guy’s judgment. Now he may be half blind, but we’ve decided that we’re gonna go on his judgment. We both agreed to it coming in. And we assume that his integrity is OK and good, so it’s just a question of did he miss it or not. I think we’ve always lived with that.”

Florio: "It’s one thing for the two teams involved to live with that. It’s quite another for the people who are wagering their money legally on gambling to live with it. They haven’t agreed to accept mistakes that are avoidable, even if the teams in a given game have."
Easy solution: Take the money out of the game and you will have a real sport again.

The game is played by humans and is judged by humans. They all make mistakes. Thats also what makes it so interessting.
What it destroys is the greed everywhere in the surrounding.
 

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They did that not because they made money directly. It's more fans, more interest. Gamblers will gamble. The primary fans are those who watch for entertainment purposes
Whether they profit directly or indirectly, they pushed to make gambling on the NFL legal. That carries with it the implication that their product is untainted and unscripted, and to "fix" any part of the game would open them up to potential lawsuits.

Of course, I'm not a lawyer, this is my opinion and my understanding...and I think, common sense.
 

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Officiating should be better for one main reason. The players.

These guys put countless hours into the practice, games, meetings, etc. Some of them seem to know the rules better than the guys enforcing the rules. That in itself is sad.
Allow coaches penalty challenges…and for those lower the threshold for overturning them.
 

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Whether they profit directly or indirectly, they pushed to make gambling on the NFL legal. That carries with it the implication that their product is untainted and unscripted, and to "fix" any part of the game would open them up to potential lawsuits.

Of course, I'm not a lawyer, this is my opinion and my understanding...and I think, common sense.
Yes, not because they make money directly.

Again, because it generates interest.

And secondly a group.thst will.gamble regardless. Gamblers absolutely don't care about quality of play.

NFL is focused on TV, stadiums, merchandise. More gamblers. More TV money. Cha ching.

NFL absolutely doesn't care about their opinions oneway or other.
 
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