PFT: Jets trade G Pete Kendall to Skins *Merge*

[Ren]

Before this trade the skins where 1 injury away from another 5-11 season after this trade they still are but with 1 less draft pick :laugh2:

 

[CrazyCowboy]

But for a 4th rd pick--not sure about that?

 

[superpunk]

Derrick Dockery was VASTLY overpayed almost as overpaid as Leonard Davis

We get trash talked when we overpay but they when we decide not to do it we still catch heat. Kind of a double standard huh?

And dont give me the whole "you should have locked him up a year or two earlier" argument because until half way through last year many were considering him a 2nd round bust. Once he started playing well he decided he wanted to hit the freeagent market and cash in with the rest of the overpaid guards.

No team ever gets knocked for locking up their own players long-term. That's how you build a franchise, although Gibbs still doesn't know that.

Teams get ripped for trading away the best corner in the league plus a second round draft pick for Clinton Portis and giving him more cash. Teams get ripped for trading a second for Brandon Lloyd and extending him without ever seeing him on the field. Teams get ripped for trading for TJ Duckett's expiring deal and never playing him.

Teams never get ripped for locking up their young stars long-term. When the Skins finally work something out with Cooley, they'll get nothing but praise.

 

[theogt]

Derrick Dockery was VASTLY overpayed almost as overpaid as Leonard Davis

We get trash talked when we overpay but they when we decide not to do it we still catch heat. Kind of a double standard huh?

And dont give me the whole "you should have locked him up a year or two earlier" argument because until half way through last year many were considering him a 2nd round bust. Once he started playing well he decided he wanted to hit the freeagent market and cash in with the rest of the overpaid guards.

Wake up little fella. If you haven't noticed Leonard Davis has been by far the best lineman on our team during preseason and training camp. The guy has been an absolute beast. If he continues to perform at this level, he'll be a lock for a pro bowl spot.

 

[random Cs]

if we did it there's be a lot of us not happy we gave up a pick for a player soon to be cut. anything more than a 7th or MAYBE but even then, he's instant FA when cut and can sign where he wants. just make him a good deal.

danny just ain't happy unless he's busting a move.

I think you'd be a little more unhappy if you went into the season without a LG.

It's a conditional pick based on performance and not a 4th rounder - we don't have a 4th rounder.

My bad, I meant a 2009 4th rounder.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

I think when you are as aggressive as the Skins are, you are a very easy target for ridicule. Not to mention that, they do things so much differently the other teams, when it doesn't work you're an idiot, when it does work you are a genius.

I personally like the fact that they go against the grain and they have their own way of doing things, there's more of a chance for failure, however, there's still that chance that you might gain some sort of advantage.

If the Skins were to become successful with these strategies, how many teams do you think would start being more aggressive, it's a copy cat league -- we're already seeing teams throw money around in free agency like the Patriots and 49ers.

In the era of the Salary cap, I can see no way that the Skins can be succesful with their current gameplan. You can't not build a team thru FA. You have to build a team thru the draft and supplement thru FA. You can call it being aggressive, I call it being stupid. When you go out and sign big name FA and over pay them, when you trade away draft picks for players that have no impact.. its not being aggressive, its bad management. Your right. it is a copy cat league and no one but the Skins do this year in and year out.. that should tell you something.

 

[AmishCowboy]

I Was Watching Comcast Mid Atlantic last nite and 2 Commanders beat writers were saying they had big problems on the O- line and how John Jensen is looking slow, so I guess they had to do something.

 

[Ren]

If the Skins were to become successful with these strategies, how many teams do you think would start being more aggressive, it's a copy cat league -- we're already seeing teams throw money around in free agency like the Patriots and 49ers.

How many more mess up does it take for skins fans to realize how unbelivebly bad these strategies are?

 

[superpunk]

I think when you are as aggressive as the Skins are, you are a very easy target for ridicule. Not to mention that, they do things so much differently the other teams, when it doesn't work you're an idiot, when it does work you are a genius.

I personally like the fact that they go against the grain and they have their own way of doing things, there's more of a chance for failure, however, there's still that chance that you might gain some sort of advantage.

If the Skins were to become successful with these strategies, how many teams do you think would start being more aggressive, it's a copy cat league -- we're already seeing teams throw money around in free agency like the Patriots and 49ers.

It's never going to work.

This league has always been about buildiing through the draft, and it ALWAYS will be.

Just shelve your copycat pipe-dream right now.

 

[skinsfunguy]

No team ever gets knocked for locking up their own players long-term. That's how you build a franchise, although Gibbs still doesn't know that.

Teams get ripped for trading away the best corner in the league plus a second round draft pick for Clinton Portis and giving him more cash. Teams get ripped for trading a second for Brandon Lloyd and extending him without ever seeing him on the field. Teams get ripped for trading for TJ Duckett's expiring deal and never playing him.

Teams never get ripped for locking up their young stars long-term. When the Skins finally work something out with Cooley, they'll get nothing but praise.

I'm against every single deal you just mentioned.

However, do you really think Dockery who had one great seven game stretch in four years(during his contract year no less) was worthy of being paid more then steve hutchinson?

 

[silverbear]

some comments from ES...this is only from ONE page on the signing. There is a lot more funny stuff if you want to look.

* If we get Kendall for a fifth and $2.7M we are getting a STEAL. He is the reason their line was so good last year.

They were "so good", they ranked 25th in the league in total offense, at 305.7 yards per game... "so good", they ranked 18th in scoring, at 19.8 points per game... "so good", they were 24th in yards per play, at 4.8... "so good", they ranked 19th in first downs per game, at 18.9...

WOW, what a DOMINATING line they must have had...

He brings a lot of veteran cohesion to the group and is worth far more.

Gee, you have to wonder why the Jets-- who knew him better than anybody-- didn't think he was worth even a million dollar raise...

He is an UPGRADE from Dock and instantly makes our line the best in the league

ROTFLMAO... that's just too homeristic to even merit a response...

If you've watched the Jets preseason games, their line has looked pretty poor,

Oh, this is just too FUNNY...

For the record, the Jets currently rank 12th in the NFL in total offense this preseason, averaging 317 yards per game... they're 4th in scoring, at 25.5 points per game... 4th in 1st downs per game, at 21.5... 5th in time of possession, at 34:06 per game... they're 3rd in the league in rushing, 147 yards per game... they're tied for 4th in sacks allowed, with 3...

It's hard to put up those kind of numbers when your offensive line is "pretty poor"... it should also be noted that they've put up these numbers without Kendall, and they are superior right down the line to the numbers they put up in the regular season last year, with Pete...

He is aged, but performed amazingly last year and there is no reason to expect a dropoff.

Yeah, who ever heard of 34 year olds who have played in 158 games dropping off?? Never mind that in the last 6 seasons, he's missed 14 games, only playing all 16 games one time (2005)...

Just another example of how extremeskins is home to the most delusional fans in all of football-- by far... they're even laughed at by the regulars on other Skins message boards...

 

[AmishGangsta]

In the era of the Salary cap, I can see no way that the Skins can be succesful with their current gameplan. You can't not build a team thru FA. You have to build a team thru the draft and supplement thru FA. You can call it being aggressive, I call it being stupid. When you go out and sign big name FA and over pay them, when you trade away draft picks for players that have no impact.. its not being aggressive, its bad management. Your right. it is a copy cat league and no one but the Skins do this year in and year out.. that should tell you something.

I'd say you probably need a good mix of both free agents and draft picks -- that's where the Skins have messed up, trading away so many draft picks -- especially when, for the most part, they've done pretty well drafting in the early rounds (the picks they usually trade away are usually in the first three rounds).

For every team like the Patriots -- who also sign free agents, btw -- and the Eagles -- who, if they were a little more aggressive, who knows, they might have a ring to show for their success, but they don't. There's plenty of other teams who have built teams strictly through the draft who have failed miserably.

 

[silverbear]

34 years old. tall & skinny (in the world of OG's, anyway)
Good blocker, but on the down-slide.

I'm thinking about the 290 pound Kendall lining up alongside the 295 pound Rabach... doesn't look like the Skins will be running up the middle much... but Jason Campbell might want to be on the lookout for the blitz up that alley, like nearly every time he drops back to pass...

 

[iceberg]

I think you'd be a little more unhappy if you went into the season without a LG.

well if you don't trade away your draft picks like madden football and you sign and build from within, you don't put yourself in such a hole, now do you?

you can be all proud of the way the skins are such "mavericks" of the system and that's great. cause when you get right down to it, that's their biggest show; their "moves".

you say when it doesn't work you're an idiot and i can tell the skins know this feeling well. what they don't know is what it feels like when it does work and you get to be the smart guy for a change.

like i said, utilize the draft and build up your depth and this isn't an issue. trade away for any shiney star in reach you wind up where you are now.

reaching and dreaming.

 

[Pokes28]

Derrick Dockery was VASTLY overpayed almost as overpaid as Leonard Davis

We get trash talked when we overpay but they when we decide not to do it we still catch heat. Kind of a double standard huh?

And dont give me the whole "you should have locked him up a year or two earlier" argument because until half way through last year many were considering him a 2nd round bust. Once he started playing well he decided he wanted to hit the freeagent market and cash in with the rest of the overpaid guards.

Let me put these things using terms that I've seen on the CPND (skins) site.

1. Dockery wasn't a 2nd round pick. He was a 3rd round pick.
2. People that say that Dockery or Steinbach or Davis were overpaid fail to realize the market at guard today. There are darn few really good OL in the NFL. Far fewer than spots available. Each of those guys have something that make them. Steinbach wasn't going to leave Cleveland as long as they payed him a fair amount. Buffalo's line was among the worst in football last year. They HAD to sign a player and that player might as well be a young guy that looked to have all the tools and finally put it all together. Then the only guy left of any caliber on the entire free agent market was Leonard Davis. He has pro-bowl credentials as a guard so his value was through the roof. Once Davis was off the market, there wasn't even a next tier of guards. It dropped at least two levels before you could find another player.

Kendall is a bandaid for the Skins. He's not a guy that can take the team to the promised land. It doesn't really give depth as if Kendall gets injured, the Skins still don't have anybody that can fill the spot.

My thoughts are that the Skins undervalued the OG position this offseason. They had little to no way to improve their team in the draft. And they really didn't think that guards could go for that much money. They got to camp and found out that they simply didn't have anybody that could do the job. I wouldn't classify this as a desperation move, but it does show that the Skins are in a win now to hell with tomorrow mode.

David Harrell - Pokes
dwh

 

[superpunk]

I'm against every single deal you just mentioned.

However, do you really think Dockery who had one great seven game stretch in four years(during his contract year no less) was worthy of being paid more then steve hutchinson?

The market changes. The cap changes.

You're either ready for it, or you're not.

The Skins elected to push themselves into a corner - they've been signing aged FAs and extending other team's players who haven't proved anything in DC, and trading draft picks away that at this point, if they wanted to do anything else, they'd have to blow everything up and start over.

The Skins are allegedly "cap geniuses" - or so you fans tell us. If they wanted Dockery, and really wanted to keep their young players and continue building the way NFL teams MUST be built, they could have made it happen. Dockery got what he was worth on the open market. I haven't been watching the Bills, but if Dockery is having the same effect there that BIGG Davis is having here at G, he's worth every penny that he got.

 

[silverbear]

Ok, here's the info from an insider:

"Not a 4th in 08, conditional based on performance."

Good move by the Skins.

Unless conditional means a first rounder if he starts 12 or more games...

 

[silverbear]

these people would sell themselves a leper if danny drafted one.

They'd line up to kiss the leper on the mouth...

Or any other available orifice, LOL...

 

[AmishGangsta]

Unless conditional means a first rounder if he starts 12 or more games...

Personally, as long as the Skins don't trade away picks in the first three rounds, I am happy.

They've been pretty bad at drafting in the later rounds

 

[skinsfunguy]

The market changes. The cap changes.

You're either ready for it, or you're not.

The Skins elected to push themselves into a corner - they've been signing aged FAs and extending other team's players who haven't proved anything in DC, and trading draft picks away that at this point, if they wanted to do anything else, they'd have to blow everything up and start over.

The Skins are allegedly "cap geniuses" - or so you fans tell us. If they wanted Dockery, and really wanted to keep their young players and continue building the way NFL teams MUST be built, they could have made it happen. Dockery got what he was worth on the open market. I haven't been watching the Bills, but if Dockery is having the same effect there that BIGG Davis is having here at G, he's worth every penny that he got.

According to what I've heard(admittedly i have not seen the bills at all thus far) Dockery is not doing so well up in Buffalo.