PFT: Jets trade G Pete Kendall to Skins *Merge*

[zrinkill]

According to what I've heard(admittedly i have not seen the bills at all thus far) Dockery is not doing so well up in Buffalo.

Is he being beaten out by a 6th round draft choice?

 

[StanleySpadowski]

Ok, here's the info from an insider:

"Not a 4th in 08, conditional based on performance."

Good move by the Skins.

It can't be 4th in '08 because Denver has their pick thanks to the Duckett trade.


Kendall's past his prime. There's a reason that the Jets could only get a late pick for him despite a rather modest salary and plenty of teams desperate for G help.

 

[superpunk]

Ok, here's the info from an insider:

"Not a 4th in 08, conditional based on performance."

Good move by the Skins.

You realize that there are rounds higher than the 4th in the NFL draft, don't you?

I wouldn't put it past your FO.

 

[silverbear]

You're unbelievable. The Skins were in the top 5 in rushing and sacks allowed last year.

And Mike Pucillo and Todd Wade sure had a lot to do with that, didn't they??

You forget to mention that mighty offensive line also resulted in the league's 13th best offense last year (20th in scoring offense), 11th the year before, 30th the year before that, 23rd the year before that, 20th the year before that, 28th the year before that, 11th back in 2000...

If you go all the way back to 1999, you'll find the Skins ranked 2nd in total offense... since then, they haven't cracked the top 10... their average finish has been 19th in the 7 seasons since then...

You Skins fans have always overrated your offensive line... you've had one or two good blockers through those years, but your line as a whole has not been good, period... at no point in this millennium has it been a legitimate top 10 line, let alone the league's best, as you guys are always claiming in the preseason...

This year, even with this latest move, it's still probably one of the ten worst lines in the league (particularly if you factor in depth)...

 

[random Cs]

like i said, utilize the draft and build up your depth and this isn't an issue. trade away for any shiney star in reach you wind up where you are now.

reaching and dreaming.

That's all fine and dandy, but the bottom line is that Wade didn't transition from T to G and the other backup G we signed, Whitticker, got injured. So, we can all twiddle our thumbs and wish we could build football teams like iceberg or go find a veteran guard to fill in till we find an answer.

 

[Avery]

A 4th is too high for Kendall, but a 6th/7th sounds about right. Typically those late round picks don't make the team anyway.

The guy sounds like he's definitely on the downslope; if they can get mileage out of him for a season or two, it works.

 

[skinsfunguy]

And Mike Pucillo and Todd Wade sure had a lot to do with that, didn't they??

You forget to mention that mighty offensive line also resulted in the league's 13th best offense last year (20th in scoring offense), 11th the year before, 30th the year before that, 23rd the year before that, 20th the year before that, 28th the year before that, 11th back in 2000...

If you go all the way back to 1999, you'll find the Skins ranked 2nd in total offense... since then, they haven't cracked the top 10... their average finish has been 19th in the 7 seasons since then...

You Skins fans have always overrated your offensive line... you've had one or two good blockers through those years, but your line as a whole has not been good, period... at no point in this millennium has it been a legitimate top 10 line, let alone the league's best, as you guys are always claiming in the preseason...

This year, even with this latest move, it's still probably one of the ten worst lines in the league (particularly if you factor in depth)...

You're REALLY reaching here. They have statistacally been a top 5 o-line for two straight years and you are saying they are in the bottom 10? The offensive struggles(and we were still in the top half of the league) were due to shaky QB play and bad WR's(with the exception of moss)

Ladell Betts put up over 1100 yards in 7 games last year and we had the fourth best running game in the league. We also gave up the 2nd least amount of sacks. Based on this you are honestly telling me we have one of the worst o-lines in the league? Give me a break

 

[silverbear]

I think when you are as aggressive as the Skins are, you are a very easy target for ridicule. Not to mention that, they do things so much differently the other teams, when it doesn't work you're an idiot, when it does work you are a genius.

Uhhh, when exactly has it worked for them??

I personally like the fact that they go against the grain and they have their own way of doing things, there's more of a chance for failure, however, there's still that chance that you might gain some sort of advantage.

Well then, you have to live with the consequences of them turning their backs on the draft in favor of free agency... the main consequence of that is the total lack of depth y'all are currently experiencing-- draft picks cost a lot less than veteran free agents do, leaving you more cap room to fill out the bottom of your roster with semi-decent players...

So if you guys get real lucky in the injury department, you might have a team that makes the playoffs, if you don't you're looking at 5-11...

If the Skins were to become successful with these strategies, how many teams do you think would start being more aggressive, it's a copy cat league -- we're already seeing teams throw money around in free agency like the Patriots and 49ers.

The Niners had a ton of cap room, a result of them finally digging themselves out of cap hell...

Trust me when I tell you that a) the Skins will never build a solid, year in and year out contender so long as they take this approach to building a team, and b) no other teams in the league are gonna be emulating their approach...

It is in fact a remarkably stupid way to try to build a team for the long haul...

 

[iceberg]

That's all fine and dandy, but the bottom line is that Wade didn't transition from T to G and the other backup G we signed, Whitticker, got injured. So, we can all twiddle our thumbs and wish we could build football teams like iceberg or go find a veteran guard to fill in till we find an answer.

so from your own words "the plan" was to convert a T go a G or some backup scrubboy pans out.

like i said - you leave yourself in a crappy situation quit whining all you got is crap.

your conversion didn't work. (why did you have to convert? oh, cause you've got no plan here and keep flinging Commander poo on the wall til it sticks and then call that "genious")
the backup G got hurt.

you think you're the only team who has problems you need to address. the rest of the league just isn't as stupid as snyder regardless of how much the fans want to believe otherwise.

you're in this position of conversions and backups and aged vets running around because snyder keeps trying to win NOW vs. doing anything remotely resembling building to a future.

so whine and say "bad luck" put you here cause it doesn't hurt as much to say "our stupid owner put us here" cause then you're still stuck with a winless stupid owner vs. actually hoping luck can turn around and suddenly the poo stuck.

 

[zrinkill]

well if you don't trade away your draft picks like madden football and you sign and build from within, you don't put yourself in such a hole, now do you?

Trade away for any shiney star in reach you wind up where you are now.

reaching and dreaming.

:laugh2:

 

[silverbear]

Personally, as long as the Skins don't trade away picks in the first three rounds, I am happy.

They've been pretty bad at drafting in the later rounds

They've had draft picks in the later rounds??

 

[zrinkill]

They've had draft picks??

Fixed it for ya

 

[random Cs]

And Mike Pucillo and Todd Wade sure had a lot to do with that, didn't they??

You forget to mention that mighty offensive line also resulted in the league's 13th best offense last year (20th in scoring offense), 11th the year before, 30th the year before that, 23rd the year before that, 20th the year before that, 28th the year before that, 11th back in 2000...

We also havn't had a decent QB in all those years you mention. How awesome was that Colts offensive line before they drafted Peyton Manning?

 

[5Stars]

I think when you are as aggressive as the Skins are, you are a very easy target for ridicule. Not to mention that, they do things so much differently the other teams, when it doesn't work you're an idiot, when it does work you are a genius.

I personally like the fact that they go against the grain and they have their own way of doing things, there's more of a chance for failure, however, there's still that chance that you might gain some sort of advantage.

If the Skins were to become successful with these strategies, how many teams do you think would start being more aggressive, it's a copy cat league -- we're already seeing teams throw money around in free agency like the Patriots and 49ers.

:laugh2: :laugh2:

How many winning seasons has your team had in the last 10 or 11 years?

Ain't nobody copying that mess!!

 

[Smashmouth24]

:laugh2: :laugh2:

How many winning seasons has your team had in the last 10 or 11 years?

Ain't nobody copying that mess!!

And let's not lump the Patriots in with the Commanders and 49ers. The Patriots only 'threw money' at one player.

 

[silverbear]

You're REALLY reaching here. They have statistacally been a top 5 o-line for two straight years and you are saying they are in the bottom 10?

Yup, that's what I'm saying... first off, there is no way in hell that the Skins have been a top 5 offensive line in ANY year in this millennium, or even a top 10 line... second, they have suffered a net loss in talent from last year, making them even worse...

The offensive struggles(and we were still in the top half of the league) were due to shaky QB play and bad WR's(with the exception of moss)

The bad passing offense was in large part due to an offensive line that really wasn't a good pass-blocking unit... no matter how few sacks they gave up, that was based entirely on them relying heavily on the dumpoff pass...

Based on this you are honestly telling me we have one of the worst o-lines in the league? Give me a break

Last year, they were a middle of the pack offensive line... mediocre, but nothing more... this year, they're not as good...

Sorry if that offends you, but facts is facts... as I've demonstrated, you Skins fans have overrated that line for years now... never finishing in the top 10 in total offense in this millennium is ample testimony to that, any offense is only as good as its line...

Note that I have been saying this about your line for the last couple-three seasons...

 

[silverbear]

so from your own words "the plan" was to convert a T go a G or some backup scrubboy pans out.

like i said - you leave yourself in a crappy situation quit whining all you got is crap.

your conversion didn't work. (why did you have to convert? oh, cause you've got no plan here and keep flinging Commander poo on the wall til it sticks and then call that "genious")
the backup G got hurt.

And Whitticker was SOOOO impressive in preseason that when he got hurt, the Skins cut him, rather than put him on IR...

It was madness for them to think that Whitticker, Wade or Pucillo could ever be even adequate fill-ins at LG for them...

 

[Pokes28]

However, do you really think Dockery who had one great seven game stretch in four years(during his contract year no less) was worthy of being paid more then steve hutchinson?

The amount of cap dollars isn't the same and it isn't the same situation. Hutchinson was restricted and these guys were not.

I have another question. How long is Steve Hutchinson's deal the standard? Hutchinson is a great player, no doubt. But every single deal will be surpassed.

People made a big deal about Larry Johnson wanting more than LT. But LT's deal was 2 or 3 years ago. Few people think that LJ is as good as LT, however, the new deal that LJ signed pays him more per year than LT.

It is a matter of timing and other options.

David Harrell - Pokes
dwh

 

[AmishGangsta]

Uhhh, when exactly has it worked for them??



Well then, you have to live with the consequences of them turning their backs on the draft in favor of free agency... the main consequence of that is the total lack of depth y'all are currently experiencing--

The things you just mentioned could be attributed to any team in the NFL. Look at what happened to the Eagles in 05 when they suffered a substantial amount of injuries, they turned into bottom dwellers.

I think the Skins lack depth at guard, that much is evident, but other than that, I think they're pretty solid -- other than receiver and having some young drafted talent at the defensive end position.

I think examining a teams depth is very very subjective, it's a very hard thing to measure, especially in the preseason. I've seen articles floating around stating that the Skins have some of the best depth in the league, with backups like Betts, Smoot, Macklin, Stoutmire, Salave'a, Prioleau, Brunell, Thrash, Wade, etc... etc... and of course I've heard from fans of the NFC East that we lack depth - everywhere

The Commanders have one of the best special teams units in the league - that speaks volumes to the type of depth they have.

I'll admit though, If I were to put on the silver and blue glasses, for a second, I might have a different perspective on the teams overall depth, however.

 

[random Cs]

so from your own words "the plan" was to convert a T go a G or some backup scrubboy pans out.

like i said - you leave yourself in a crappy situation quit whining all you got is crap.

Yes that was the plan. Who is whining? You're the one who sounds like you're crying and it isn't even your team.