News: PFT: Mike McCarthy: We feel it's important to support Kelvin Joseph based on information we have

[Haimerej]

A police officer is taken off duty but still paid until he is charged. If he’s found inocent he’s right back to work with back pay

Do you think it was just a coincidence that Joseph came forward the day after police put the video out?

 

[conner01]

Best case, he made a really bad decision and bad decisions get people fired.

The NFL has remained quiet except for monitoring the situation but unless something drastically different than what we already are aware of comes to light. he has no choice but to suspend him. You can bet Goodell and the league office people that deal with this have heard from every owner.

Does Goodell use the same model they used with Ray Lewis? Hell, he was actually implicated in that murder with unanswered questions. Sure wouldn't be the first time the law let someone sing for a get out of jail free card.

If he’s never charged I don’t see why he would be suspended
It’s not a crime to have stupid friends it’s stupid to have stupid friends and if he doesn’t change he won’t ever amount to anything

 

[conner01]

Do you think it was just a coincidence that Joseph came forward the day after police put the video out?

That’s not a crime
You have no legal obligation to report a crime

 

[Haimerej]

That’s not a crime
You have no legal obligation to report a crime

Under Section 38.171 of the Texas Penal Code, you can be charged with failing to report a felony if you witness the commission of a felony, and the circumstances are such that a reasonable person would have believed that an offense had been committed that would result in serious bodily harm or death, and you fail to report the crime. The statute requires that you immediately report the offense to a peace officer or law enforcement agency. As a Class A misdemeanor, the charge can carry a penalty of not more than one year in jail and/or a fine of up to $4,000.

 

[817Gill]

Snitched...come one, he did his moral and rightful obligation.
He did the right thing.

He did. I just like to point out that it’s not easy to implicate guys in a murder as they are capable of retaliation against him and his family.

Something most posters don’t consider when demanding he come forward immediately. Might be an easy choice morally but is not an easy choice to make in actuality.

 

[Haimerej]

He did. I just like to point out that it’s not easy to implicate guys in a murder as they are capable of retaliation against him and his family.

Something most posters don’t consider when demanding he come forward immediately. Might be an easy choice morally but is not an easy choice to make in actuality.

KJ has made $3.9 million dollars with the Cowboys. You think he can't protect himself or his family from a few street thugs?

 

[Haimerej]

As regards him being afraid to come forward-

Well, he's done it. They made the arrests based on, "anonymous witness testimony," the day after he talked to police with his lawyer. He's been seen at the Star since the arrests. Appears to be, "business as usual," with no extra security. Haven't heard anything about his family being threatened, either.

 

[817Gill]

The excuse making in this thread is pathetic.

People know jack chit about this guy and his upbringing but immediately go to some cultivated narrative steeped in bigotry made to treat grown men and women like children. And yeah- I've got friends from Baton Rouge. Been in multiple drug dealer's houses in Baton Rouge.

"I ain't saying it's right, but I understand." Then you're saying there are different rules for different people. If Jerry Jones was in that car and didn't go to the police until after being publicly identified, who here would try to point to an excuse for him?

Oh, Kelvin is scared of these thugs threatening him? The guy who's already made $3.9 million is afraid of street thugs? He doesn't trust police? Get outta here with those LAME excuses.

Kelvin has been a star athlete since he was a junior in high school. He's so privileged he was able to screw up at 2 different colleges and still get drafted into the NFL and is now a millionaire. Sorry. I believe regardless of where you grew up, you have an obligation to report murder.

How the heck is that what you pulled out of it lol? Same rules for everybody with that life and upbringing, I would feel the same way about anyone in this exact situation. What he did he not right but it’s not hard to see where the thought process originated when you consider all the circumstances.

Why is it hard to have nuance for some? His actions aren’t being excused, but knowing where he’s from and how he grew up it’s not rocket science as to why he didn’t confess immediately. Being labeled a snitch and potentially having your family targeted aren’t things I expect anyone from those areas to brush off.

Obviously it doesn’t excuse the act, but using Jerry Jones is a complete logical fallacy. If Jerry Jones grew up underprivileged in South Baton Rouge and had childhood friends who lived that life then yeah the same logic would go into it. Can’t compare a 70 year old millionaire to a dude who just escaped poverty and violence.

 

[817Gill]

As regards him being afraid to come forward-

Well, he's done it. They made the arrests based on, "anonymous witness testimony," the day after he talked to police with his lawyer. He's been seen at the Star since the arrests. Appears to be, "business as usual," with no extra security. Haven't heard anything about his family being threatened, either.

You are strange man. How the heck would you hear about his family getting threatened lmao? Expecting his friends to call ya and let you know they plan on targeting his family?

I’m simply talking about these are possibilities he had to consider when making the decision to tell.

 

[conner01]

Under Section 38.171 of the Texas Penal Code, you can be charged with failing to report a felony if you witness the commission of a felony, and the circumstances are such that a reasonable person would have believed that an offense had been committed that would result in serious bodily harm or death, and you fail to report the crime. The statute requires that you immediately report the offense to a peace officer or law enforcement agency. As a Class A misdemeanor, the charge can carry a penalty of not more than one year in jail and/or a fine of up to $4,000.

That would require him to know the victim was injured
If they had a case they would have charged him by now. I don’t think he’s gonna be charged at all
He made a poor decision hanging out with the friends he was with but that’s a far cry from being a criminal himself
Some new info could come out and something could change but I imagine the police know the whole story now and have the people they want
For his future he better smarten up or his career will be short and not so sweet

 

[817Gill]

KJ has made $3.9 million dollars with the Cowboys. You think he can't protect himself or his family from a few street thugs?

Bro things aren’t that simple man. Sean Taylor made millions why didn’t he protect himself from a few street thugs?

You are acting as if I’m saying he’s right for not telling. But it’s clear that you aren’t a man of nuance, only this or that can’t be anything in between. He can be wrong while still understanding his thought process.

Again, NO ONE IS SAYING HE WAS RIGHT FOR BEING SILENT. Simply saying with the circumstances involved I can see how his thought process led to his silence.

 

[817Gill]

That would require him to know the victim was injured
If they had a case they would have charged him by now. I don’t think he’s gonna be charged at all
He made a poor decision hanging out with the friends he was with but that’s a far cry from being a criminal himself
Some new info could come out and something could change but I imagine the police know the whole story now and have the people they want
For his future he better smarten up or his career will be short and not so sweet

Exactly. Unless something new comes out he’s gonna walk scott-free. His testimony directly led to the case being solved/charged to the perpetrators. Especially without a criminal history and with a gainful profession he will be out of the woods legally.

 

[Haimerej]

If Jerry Jones grew up underprivileged in South Baton Rouge and had childhood friends who lived that life then yeah the same logic would go into it. Can’t compare a 70 year old millionaire to a dude who just escaped poverty and violence.

You're saying that based off of absolutely nothing. "He grew up in Baton Rouge, therefore he was poor and underprivileged." I have friends in Baton Rouge. I've been to drug dealer's houses in Baton Rouge.

These excuses are simply perpetuating negative stereotypes in an effort to absolve him of responsibility.

 

[Haimerej]

You are strange man. How the heck would you hear about his family getting threatened lmao? Expecting his friends to call ya and let you know they plan on targeting his family?

I’m simply talking about these are possibilities he had to consider when making the decision to tell.

That reasoning can be applied to anyone who witnesses a murder.

Fact is he's one of the most privileged people in society and you guys are reinforcing that privilege.

 

[817Gill]

You're saying that based off of absolutely nothing. "He grew up in Baton Rouge, therefore he was poor and underprivileged." I have friends in Baton Rouge. I've been to drug dealer's houses in Baton Rouge.

These excuses are simply perpetuating negative stereotypes in an effort to absolve him of responsibility.

Dude there is no perpetuating my guy he’s from South BR man that’s not an easy place to grow up. He’s childhood friends with NBA Youngboy lol he grew up in the trenches.

Why, please tell me why, do you keep ignoring me saying he’s wrong? Just please answer that dude, cause it’s getting weird. I already said he’s wrong so how can I absolve a guy of responsibility when I said he’s wrong? I literally just said I understand how his mind processed everything and landed on being silent. Literally that simple man.

 

[Haimerej]

That would require him to know the victim was injured
If they had a case they would have charged him by now. I don’t think he’s gonna be charged at all
He made a poor decision hanging out with the friends he was with but that’s a far cry from being a criminal himself
Some new info could come out and something could change but I imagine the police know the whole story now and have the people they want
For his future he better smarten up or his career will be short and not so sweet

He's not going to be charged because he most likely fingered the perpetrators. Or do you also think it's coincidence they made arrests the day after he talked?

Also, the statute says, "a reasonable person would have believed that an offense had been committed that would result in serious bodily harm or death." Nothing about, "knowing."

But let's explore that- you're acting as though this happened in a bubble. Do you think he witnessed the shooting and none of them talked about it afterwards? You think the person didn't say anything about whether they hit their target?

 

[817Gill]

That reasoning can be applied to anyone who witnesses a murder.

Fact is he's one of the most privileged people in society and you guys are reinforcing that privilege.

Anyone who witnessed a murder and has grown up in a culture of not talking to the police and has friends who will kill yes that applies to everyone in that circumstance. So no 98% of America this doesn’t apply to because most of us don’t grow up with that ideology instilled since childhood.

Dude wasn’t privileged until he found out he could football. Ain’t no one from where he’s from privileged unless they play sports or are entertainers. Some of the worst poverty, crime, and school systems in Louisiana which is already a state who’s ranked towards the bottom in all those categories.

If growing up there is privileged we must be comparing it to a 3rd world country.

 

[Haimerej]

Bro things aren’t that simple man. Sean Taylor made millions why didn’t he protect himself from a few street thugs?

You are acting as if I’m saying he’s right for not telling. But it’s clear that you aren’t a man of nuance, only this or that can’t be anything in between. He can be wrong while still understanding his thought process.

Again, NO ONE IS SAYING HE WAS RIGHT FOR BEING SILENT. Simply saying with the circumstances involved I can see how his thought process led to his silence.

So what? Why bring up the thought process if not to excuse it?

 

[Haimerej]

Dude there is no perpetuating my guy he’s from South BR man that’s not an easy place to grow up. He’s childhood friends with NBA Youngboy lol he grew up in the trenches.

Why, please tell me why, do you keep ignoring me saying he’s wrong? Just please answer that dude, cause it’s getting weird. I already said he’s wrong so how can I absolve a guy of responsibility when I said he’s wrong? I literally just said I understand how his mind processed everything and landed on being silent. Literally that simple man.

I posted that Rock clip to make the point. If you don't think there's any sort of tepid approval in the whole, "I understand why," narrative then we'll just agree to disagree.

 

[817Gill]

So what? Why bring up the thought process if not to excuse it?

Because unlike you, I have nuance man. You can be guilty of something while still being a logical explanation as to why you did so. Doesn’t mean it’s excusing anything it just illuminates as to why.

For example, if someone steals a loaf of bread they are wrong. But if they did it because they haven’t eaten then that’s the explanation. Does it mean you get the loaf of bread for free and all is right? No you’re still guilty of stealing. But at least we have a logical explanation as opposed to the guilty party stealing the loaf for the thrill or for fun which would not be a logical explanation for the act.

Not comparing stealing bread to murder, just trying to analogize that you can understand why someone does something without denying the wrongdoing.

Also as a bigger point, if you want to reduce crime the these are things you must dive into. Solely doling out punishment doesn’t change cycles of incarceration and crime in certain communities. We have to understand why people act and what pushes them to commit the crimes. Once you know why you can attack the reasons for the crime not solely the person who committed it.

How can you make a change if the only question you ask is, “guilty or innocent”? Find out why, find out what led to this thought process, what factors pushed these people to act in such a way. You get answers to that and attack those issues then you can actually lower crime.