PFT: Skins making a play for Briggs?

[fanfromvirginia]

I like Briggs, but #6 overall good? Don't know about that.

Technically it's not for the 6th but the 6th minus the 31st, which according to the draft chart I googled is 1000 points (1600 pts minus 600), which translates to the 16th overall pick.

So is Briggs worth the 16th pick? (Which is unrelated to the equally important questions of how will Briggs fit in, is OLB the biggest need of the Skins, etc.)

 

[Vintage]

Technically it's not for the 6th but the 6th minus the 31st, which according to the draft chart I googled is 1000 points (1600 pts minus 600), which translates to the 16th overall pick.

So is Briggs worth the 16th pick? (Which is unrelated to the equally important questions of how will Briggs fit in, is OLB the biggest need of the Skins, etc.)

You are correct.

The next question is, is it really worth spending that much to get Briggs when we spent two 2nd rounders to move up for Rocky?

I hope they answer yes to that.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

You are correct.

The next question is, is it really worth spending that much to get Briggs when we spent two 2nd rounders to move up for Rocky?

I hope they answer yes to that.

I hope they do it as well. Although it would make the Bears potentially much better as Briggs wasn't likely to play anyway. Which of the QBs will be available at 6?

 

[Vintage]

I hope they do it as well. Although it would make the Bears potentially much better as Briggs wasn't likely to play anyway. Which of the QBs will be available at 6?

Its possible neither.

Oakland right now looks like they are taking JaMarcus.

Detroit could pick Brady (Kitna is getting up there). Cleveland could very well take Brady Quinn as well.

 

[the kid 05]

Briggs to Washington is something I wouldn't look forward to, he's a machine out there on the field...

no hes not, he flurrished with the bears because of their front 4 and he was working with Urlacher and Hunter Hillenmeyer

 

[JonJon]

It looks like these guys are smarter than we give them credit for. The Briggs trade rumor is creating chaos by fans already predicting doom for years to come.

"Originally Posted by Killerbo
This is going to be my standard answer for the FO from now on....

I don't care anymore, I mean what's the point? Get my hopes for having a dominant team constantly crushed by a dysfunctional FO led by an owner who is pretty much probably just trying to meet the bottom line to pay off the loans and investors he has (good job on owning the 2nd most valuable team in the world, and the most profitablefranchise in the NFL), and a **** knobbing vice president of operations without any apparent analytical skills of thinking how actions that you make right now can affect the future of this franchise.

Sadly, I wouldn't be shocked if I never see this team win a SB that I can actually remember in my lifetime. SO freaking sad, I just really don't give a damn anymore. What's the point? Nobody is held accountable and nobody cares, so why the **** should I care? They can do whatever ******** moves they want to do (Gibbs, Snyder, and Cerrato) and there is not one thing we fans can do about it.

So guys enjoy your obstructed view seats ok, bcos I will watch this team till I die but I have ZERO expectations of us ever fielding a Superbowl team for a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time."

:laugh2:

 

[Hostile]

Okay, let's break this down a bit. We know that London Fletcher will be their MLB. They currently have Marcus Washington @ SOLB and Roger McIntosh @ WOLB.

Call me crazy, but I think that is solid enough of a LB corps to play the 2007 season. Now if you bring in Briggs, who I admit is an upgrade, where do you put him? Right now he plays WOLB. Is that where you put him now? If so then are you going to move McIntosh to SOLB, or are you going to make him a backup? Given what they gave up in order to acquire him last year it makes that trade even dumber. If I were a Skins fan this would piss me off not excite me.

Further, I think the chance of a top notch D-lineman, which is a bigger need, is not going to be there at 31 and they do not have a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th round pick because of suspect trades already. They have to hit at the 31 pick or else.

Gaines Adams at 6 makes more sense to me. Not to mention Briggs wants to be paid. They know how to accomplish that, but it just further complicates their future actions.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

Okay, let's break this down a bit. We know that London Fletcher will be their MLB. They currently have Marcus Washington @ SOLB and Roger McIntosh @ WOLB.

Call me crazy, but I think that is solid enough of a LB corps to play the 2007 season. Now if you bring in Briggs, who I admit is an upgrade, where do you put him? Right now he plays WOLB. Is that where you put him now? If so then are you going to move McIntosh to SOLB, or are you going to make him a backup? Given what they gave up in order to acquire him last year it makes that trade even dumber. If I were a Skins fan this would piss me off not excite me.

Further, I think the chance of a top notch D-lineman, which is a bigger need, is not going to be there at 31 and they do not have a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th round pick because of suspect trades already. They have to hit at the 31 pick or else.

Gaines Adams at 6 makes more sense to me. Not to mention Briggs wants to be paid. They know how to accomplish that, but it just further complicates their future actions.

Very good perspective. This really would be crazy of the Skins, which means, according to the Commanders' Front Office Always Makes the Wrong Decision rule of thumb, that it'll get done by COB today.

 

[hendog]

Okay, let's break this down a bit. We know that London Fletcher will be their MLB. They currently have Marcus Washington @ SOLB and Roger McIntosh @ WOLB.

Call me crazy, but I think that is solid enough of a LB corps to play the 2007 season. Now if you bring in Briggs, who I admit is an upgrade, where do you put him? Right now he plays WOLB. Is that where you put him now? If so then are you going to move McIntosh to SOLB, or are you going to make him a backup? Given what they gave up in order to acquire him last year it makes that trade even dumber. If I were a Skins fan this would piss me off not excite me.

Further, I think the chance of a top notch D-lineman, which is a bigger need, is not going to be there at 31 and they do not have a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th round pick because of suspect trades already. They have to hit at the 31 pick or else.

Gaines Adams at 6 makes more sense to me. Not to mention Briggs wants to be paid. They know how to accomplish that, but it just further complicates their future actions.

Exactly. Briggs wants to and will get paid ALOT. A whole lot more than the #6 pick would I imagine. The way the FA's are getting guaranteed money Briggs will cost a boatload.

They could trade down and pick Akoye and @ 19 yrs old in afew years when he's developed physically and technically he'll only be 22-23 yrs old where Briggs will be 30.

 

[Hostile]

Exactly. Briggs wants to and will get paid ALOT. A whole lot more than the #6 pick would I imagine. The way the FA's are getting guaranteed money Briggs will cost a boatload.

They could trade down and pick Akoye and @ 19 yrs old in afew years when he's developed physically and technically he'll only be 22-23 yrs old where Briggs will be 30.

Yes sir. When the trade rumors with Denver for Bly surfaced I said it then. At the 6th spot, their best plan of action is to trade down to around 10, grab a DL like Okoye, and add a pick or two from the rounds where they have nothing.

 

[alancdc]

Yes sir. When the trade rumors with Denver for Bly surfaced I said it then. At the 6th spot, their best plan of action is to trade down to around 10, grab a DL like Okoye, and add a pick or two from the rounds where they have nothing.

I agree, but do you think this has to do with Joe thinking that this is his last run, and he doesn't have 2-3 years to develop a young draft pick? Personally, I think they are the 4th best team in our division so I don't think it matters, but Joe looks as miserable as Bill did standing over there on the sidelines.

 

[Crown Royal]

I agree, but do you think this has to do with Joe thinking that this is his last run, and he doesn't have 2-3 years to develop a young draft pick? Personally, I think they are the 4th best team in our division so I don't think it matters, but Joe looks as miserable as Bill did standing over there on the sidelines.

I think it has to do with Joe hasn't figured out that the NFL is built off of youth/rookies/etc.

Before Free Agency/Salary Cap,etc, coaches used to build teams by getting veterans when available, and using rookies sparingly.

Jimmy Johnson changed that by building the Cowboys through the draft. This further became the norm when the new CBA went into affect.

Joe can't seem to grasp that the NFL changed that much. he is still trying to do it the old way, but doesn't realize that vets today, especially the free agents/available ones, aren't the vets of yesterday.

 

[Doomsday]

I hope they pull it off. I would much rather have them do that then trade down and gain more picks and then draft Willis or Posluzney.

Chicago will not give them Briggs and pick#31. Maybe their 2nd or 3rd.

Why wouldnt Chicago make this trade? They move up 25 spots in the draft, get a chance at an impact player and all they give up is a player who is vowing to never play for them again. The Bears should jump all over this trade.

 

[skinsngibbs4life]

Okay, let's break this down a bit. We know that London Fletcher will be their MLB. They currently have Marcus Washington @ SOLB and Roger McIntosh @ WOLB.

Call me crazy, but I think that is solid enough of a LB corps to play the 2007 season. Now if you bring in Briggs, who I admit is an upgrade, where do you put him? Right now he plays WOLB. Is that where you put him now? If so then are you going to move McIntosh to SOLB, or are you going to make him a backup? Given what they gave up in order to acquire him last year it makes that trade even dumber. If I were a Skins fan this would piss me off not excite me.

Further, I think the chance of a top notch D-lineman, which is a bigger need, is not going to be there at 31 and they do not have a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th round pick because of suspect trades already. They have to hit at the 31 pick or else.

Gaines Adams at 6 makes more sense to me. Not to mention Briggs wants to be paid. They know how to accomplish that, but it just further complicates their future actions.

Thats exactly the way I see it. Personally, I see Fletcher in the middle, Washington at SLB, and Marshall at weakside, with rocky coming off the bench. IMO, that is soloid enough. I don't see the need to go out and get a briggs when that area is already pretty solid.

 

[Hostile]

I agree, but do you think this has to do with Joe thinking that this is his last run, and he doesn't have 2-3 years to develop a young draft pick? Personally, I think they are the 4th best team in our division so I don't think it matters, but Joe looks as miserable as Bill did standing over there on the sidelines.

I dunno. That's certainly plausible and possible.

 

[Hostile]

Thats exactly the way I see it. Personally, I see Fletcher in the middle, Washington at SLB, and Marshall at weakside, with rocky coming off the bench. IMO, that is soloid enough. I don't see the need to go out and get a briggs when that area is already pretty solid.

You think Marshall over McIntosh? I suppose that would make sense. The kid sure would be getting pushed aside though. You gave up too much to simply bury him.

IMO.

 

[skinsngibbs4life]

You think Marshall over McIntosh? I suppose that would make sense. The kid sure would be getting pushed aside though. You gave up too much to simply bury him.

IMO.

Nothing would make me happier then seeing Rocky in there starting. He has all the physical tools to be good (where have we heard that before?) however, he rarely got any playing time last year, even with someone like Warrick Holdman in front of him.

I just feel like GW will put a player into the system that has been here awhile. Hopefully im wrong though. After all, this is just speculation...

 

[Hostile]

Nothing would make me happier then seeing Rocky in there starting. He has all the physical tools to be good (where have we heard that before?) however, he rarely got any playing time last year, even with someone like Warrick Holdman in front of him.

I just feel like GW will put a player into the system that has been here awhile. Hopefully im wrong though. After all, this is just speculation...

True, but mixed in with it is a quote by your owner that he is indeed looking at this.

I dunno man, if I were in your shoes this would piss me off. I like Lance Briggs (he played here) but I wouldn't want him over a DE or DT if I needed one and you guys do.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

You think Marshall over McIntosh? I suppose that would make sense. The kid sure would be getting pushed aside though. You gave up too much to simply bury him.

IMO.

I don't think he got the majority of the starting snaps last year, although I will admit I did not watch many of their games last season.

 

[Crown Royal]

Rocky doesn't factor into it at all for me. If he isn't good enough, he isn't good enough. A player should never be a starter on virtue of their draft position. One of the greatest things I learned from Parcells 'Forget where you aquired the player.'

That being said, my idea is that no WLB in a 4-3 scheme plus the 31st pick is worth losing the number 6 pick.