News: PFT: Stephen Jones expresses disappointment in Randy Gregory

[Daillest88]

Cutting a guy like Bryant after being suspended for drugs might send a message. Cutting a guy like Witten for a failed drug test might send a message.

Cutting a guy like Gregory sends no message. Well it sends one message............. that the Cowboys screwed up another 2nd round pick. That's about the only message it sends.

cutting a guy like dez Bryant would destroy this team. your mixing apples and oranges.. Dez puts this team FIRST! gives 110% same with Witten it takes 4 failed tests to get suspended.. both of those players have never been caught with drugs. Gregory managed to do all of that in 1 season .. especially after he said he was going to prove all the doubters wrong.. cutting Gregory wouldn't hurt our team seeing as he didn't do anything at all for us last year, hes just going to be a headache from here on out, wasted resources will be spent on him. hate to tell ya that 2nd pick has already been screwed up. especially since there were soe many other good players out there.

 

[bsheeern]

Ok, lets start with the facts:

He didnt even start until half way through the season. So he made no impact for half the year. How about you look up his guard ranking for the games he did play and lets deal in facts?

Right there, you proved you don't even know what you are talking about..... NEXT

 

[Daillest88]

Cmon, you really want to cut him after this? Not smart. Too much invested. IF he continues to screw up, as he probably will, then fine. But now is way over the top. If you were going to give up so quickly, then he never should have been taken. They made a commitment to him and need to see it through.

they made a commitment yes, and he pretty much embarressed the hell out of them. see you're already doubting him. he didn't fail 1 time. that's my issue, he failed 4 times... that's insane.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Right there, you proved you don't even know what you are talking about..... NEXT

Looks like he started Oct 14th. So that is more like 12 games he started. Are you saying that starting is making a big impact?

I saw a ranking that didnt have him in the top 20 guards. And Ronald Leary was listed at #9. So again I ask you, what big impact did the rookie guard make.

If you cant think of anything then lets just move on.

 

[Sydla]

right.. cutting a 2nd round player who pretty much has shown he doesn't care would send a message. ex players who have played here have called this place a circus. im starting to see why now. but this guy screwed up 4 times; this year alone. im sure the players on our team are going to have to answer for this clown, and im sure some will be by his side because he is a teammate, but others wont bother.. him missing 4 games next year and now we have to focus more on DE because of this pothead.. you say I have gone melodramatic.. he failed 4 drug tests!!! wont don't you get?

We had to focus on DE anyway this offseason. Geezus, dude. Gregory was still nothing more than a situational DE at this point. That's it. The Cowboys weren't handing him the starting DE spot opposite Lawrence. Anyone with a brain knew the Cowboys would need to either resign Hardy or get a DE in free agency or draft another one regardless of what happened with Gregory. So let's not act like he was the sure fire starter at DE.

You make no sense at all. There's no message to be had here. None. Zip. Nada. No matter how many times you mention this neblous "message" that it will send, it won't make it true. How many times has cutting a mediocre player (which you apparenlty believe he is) sent a message in this league? Probably never.

So stop. There's no benefit to cutting Gregory at this point and anyone who keeps arguing that it's a good thing is just being silly.

 

[Sydla]

cutting a guy like dez Bryant would destroy this team. your mixing apples and oranges.. Dez puts this team FIRST! gives 110% same with Witten it takes 4 failed tests to get suspended.. both of those players have never been caught with drugs. Gregory managed to do all of that in 1 season .. especially after he said he was going to prove all the doubters wrong.. cutting Gregory wouldn't hurt our team seeing as he didn't do anything at all for us last year, hes just going to be a headache from here on out, wasted resources will be spent on him. hate to tell ya that 2nd pick has already been screwed up. especially since there were soe many other good players out there.

You are missing the point. Which isn't surprising.

 

[CowboyRoy]

they made a commitment yes, and he pretty much embarressed the hell out of them. see you're already doubting him. he didn't fail 1 time. that's my issue, he failed 4 times... that's insane.

I agree, but cutting him? No chance.

 

[Sydla]

Plus his salary is dirt cheap next year relatively speaking so all this talk of spending way too many resources on him is silly as well.

 

[bsheeern]

Looks like he started Oct 14th. So that is more like 12 games he started. Are you saying that starting is making a big impact?

I saw a ranking that didnt have him in the top 20 guards. And Ronald Leary was listed at #9. So again I ask you, what big impact did the rookie guard make.

If you cant think of anything then lets just move on.

You saw a ranking? lol
So this "one ranking" Had a guy who started 2-3 games tops rated ahead of the guy who BEAT him out of his starting position on his own team?
Are you serious or just trying to troll. I really cant tell.

 

[Sydla]

I also bet you that there are quite a few players on this team that Dallas knows smoked or smokes pot but they have been able to avoid suspension by the NFL. So should Dallas cut those guys too?

If you think Randy Gregory is the only Cowboys player smoking pot AND the only player Dallas has caught smoking pot, you are one naive soul.

 

[Daillest88]

We had to focus on DE anyway this offseason. Geezus, dude. Gregory was still nothing more than a situational DE at this point. That's it. The Cowboys weren't handing him the starting DE spot opposite Lawrence. Anyone with a brain knew the Cowboys would need to either resign Hardy or get a DE in free agency or draft another one regardless of what happened with Gregory. So let's not act like he was the sure fire starter at DE.

You make no sense at all. There's no message to be had here. None. Zip. Nada. No matter how many times you mention this neblous "message" that it will send, it won't make it true. How many times has cutting a mediocre player sent a message in this league? Probably never.

So stop. There's no benefit to cutting Gregory at this point and anyone who keeps arguing that it's a good thing is just being silly.

lol.. hes a medicore player which is exactly my point.. so why keep him? lmao.. he's a human being who has too many issues to play this game. Randy Gregory is expendable and the only reason we are keeping him is because he was a 2nd round pick so he gets a pass. 4 failed drug tests dude!! what don't you get? you just said he was medicore. I know we need another DE. But now we need to get 2 right Defense ends. just another hole we gotta fill up because of this guy.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Right there, you proved you don't even know what you are talking about..... NEXT

Weakest link on the line? That's a heck of an impact. NEXT!!!!!

1. Dallas Cowboys (1st)
Pass-blocking rank: 1st

Run-blocking rank: 1st

Penalties rank: 32nd

Stud: With studs at three spots on the line, it was hard picking a No. 1 guy. But left tackle Tyron Smith, our second-ranked lineman on the year, is that guy, with a tremendous season that has become the norm for him.

Dud: He was far from disappointing, but rookie La’el Collins was the weakest link on this line, simply by not being as good as the other guys on it.

Summary: That’s two years in a row atop our rankings for the Cowboys, who have reaped the rewards on their heavy investment in talent with first-round picks. All three of their former top picks graded in the top three at their respective positions, and even the less-heralded members were hardly poor. The Cowboys are our top offensive line for the second year in a row, and the truth is, it wasn’t even close.

 

[bsheeern]

Why do you need help? Just tell me what big impact he made?

Well for one he made numerous all NFL rookie team list for quite a few places. Sorry but that's yet another impact.

 

[Daillest88]

I also bet you that there are quite a few players on this team that Dallas knows smoked or smokes pot but they have been able to avoid suspension by the NFL. So should Dallas cut those guys too?

If you think Randy Gregory is the only Cowboys player smoking pot AND the only player Dallas has caught smoking pot, you are one naive soul.

wow!!! randy Gregory knew he was a target!! he failed 1 during the season so he knew there was a good chance he was going to get tested again. Yet he is too darn dumb and decided to smoke up again and again and again. im sure there are a lot of guys out there who smoke weed. making excuses now for him? you act like Randy Gregory was rookie of the year when in fact he was hardly a "medicore" player as you said above..

 

[Sydla]

lol.. hes a medicore player which is exactly my point.. so why keep him? lmao.. he's a human being who has too many issues to play this game. Randy Gregory is expendable and the only reason we are keeping him is because he was a 2nd round pick so he gets a pass. 4 failed drug tests dude!! what don't you get? you just said he was medicore. I know we need another DE. But now we need to get 2 right Defense ends. just another hole we gotta fill up because of this guy.

You keep him because he has upside. That's why. Sure he's done nothing at this point but he clearly is athletic and has an upside at a premium position. That's why you keep him. If he was just some random, mediocre player, sure cut him............ if he was Jeremy Mincey at age 25, yeah, he doesn't have the upside to keep him.

How many times are you going to say 4 drug tests? I get it. He failed four drug tests. He's screwed up. He has a problem. I've not denied any of that, so stop repeating it.

But I cut guys who have no upside. I cut guys when there is a very real danger to the team by keeping him. I cut guys who are too expensive to keep for such minimal return.

Gregory fits into none of those categories. I actually don't think he's mediocre. I was just repeating your storyline. Your first response was that cutting Gregory "sends a message" which was a pretty silly point because you also said he's a mediocre player who hasn't done anything. So how in the world is cutting a guy that isn't good enough for peopel to care about sending a message? It doesnt, which made your big reason to cut Gregory bizarre.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Well for one he made numerous all NFL rookie team list for quite a few places. Sorry but that's yet another impact.

Yah, I think that is the problem. You are talking about starting and I am talking making a big impact. As in, on the field. Not many rookies start so naturally he would make some all rookie lists.

But I can give you a guard that did make a big impact his rookie year. Zach Martin. Started all 16 games, ranked as one of the top 3 guards in the NFL and making the pro bowl his rookie year.

THAT is an impact. Sorry, starting 12 games and being the weakest link on the line is NOT making an impact.

 

[big dog cowboy]

He was solid, but what impact did he make?

Thanks for the morning laugh.

 

[Daillest88]

You keep him because he has upside. That's why. Sure he's done nothing at this point but he clearly is athletic and has an upside at a premium position. That's why you keep him. If he was just some random, mediocre player, sure cut him............ if he was Jeremy Mincey at age 25, yeah, he doesn't have the upside to keep him.

How many times are you going to say 4 drug tests? I get it. He failed four drug tests. He's screwed up. He has a problem. I've not denied any of that, so stop repeating it.

But I cut guys who have no upside. I cut guys when there is a very real danger to the team by keeping him. I cut guys who are too expensive to keep for such minimal return.

Gregory fits into none of those categories. I actually don't think he's mediocre. I was just repeating your storyline. Your first response was that cutting Gregory "sends a message" which was a pretty silly point because you also said he's a mediocre player who hasn't done anything. So how in the world is cutting a guy that isn't good enough for peopel to care about sending a message? It doesnt, which made your big reason to cut Gregory bizarre.

because he's on the team because of he's draft status! that's all! upside we aren't going to see for atleast 4 games this year.. awesome.. by that time he will probably fail more drug tests..he couldn't be trusted in college and cant be trusted now.. writing is on the wall.

 

[Doomsday101]

You keep him because he has upside. That's why. Sure he's done nothing at this point but he clearly is athletic and has an upside at a premium position. That's why you keep him. If he was just some random, mediocre player, sure cut him............ if he was Jeremy Mincey at age 25, yeah, he doesn't have the upside to keep him.

How many times are you going to say 4 drug tests? I get it. He failed four drug tests. He's screwed up. He has a problem. I've not denied any of that, so stop repeating it.

But I cut guys who have no upside. I cut guys when there is a very real danger to the team by keeping him. I cut guys who are too expensive to keep for such minimal return.

Gregory fits into none of those categories. I actually don't think he's mediocre. I was just repeating your storyline. Your first response was that cutting Gregory "sends a message" which was a pretty silly point because you also said he's a mediocre player who hasn't done anything. So how in the world is cutting a guy that isn't good enough for peopel to care about sending a message? It doesnt, which made your big reason to cut Gregory bizarre.

While I would not want to see him cut now I will say another infraction and I think it becomes a must. Players missing 4 or more games because they are too stupid does nothing to help this team out.

 

[Daillest88]

While I would not want to see him cut now I will say another infraction and I think it becomes a must. Players missing 4 or more games because they are too stupid does nothing to help this team out.

exactly wasted 2nd round pick whos going to miss 4 games because he cant stop smoking weed. he clearly doesn't give a crap. plenty of players have upside, there have been a lot who just cant get it together either and im afraid he is one of him.