Twitter: Phil Costa retires from NFL

[big dog cowboy]

So a ex-Cowboy player retires from the game and we end up with a double digit page thread that it takes a road map to negotiate thru.

 

[honyock]

In any event, my first post in the thread was 'lol,' because his abrupt retirement basically means there won't be any chance for either side to really feel vindicated. Phil Costa, starting any games at all for the Colts would have been pretty amusing. As would 'Phil Costa, cut by Indianapolis in the cut down to 53,' I have to admit. I think I like him just up and retiring before the start of camp best, though, given all the back and forth about this particular player. It feels sort of like the ending of Lost.

Or The X-Files. No matter what happened in an episode, it was ambiguous enough that Scully and Mulder both had an out.

 

[dallasdave]

Smart move on his part. Walk away & enjoy his life!

Like that

Smart move on his part. Walk away & enjoy his life!

When it's time to change it's time to rearrange

 

[CowboyStar88]

Haha. I am not as big of buddies with Risen as you think, but he seems to be the poster boy for us so called realist. I will defend him due to one reason.... He is usually a year ahead of most posters and the team on the direction this team needs to go. If the sunshine homer crowd treated you like they do Risen, I would defend you. Risen doesn't need me defending him, that is for sure. It his his opinions that I defend. They just happen to be similar to mine.he is not the only one. He is just the most unpopular one. The funny thing about it is that more and more posters are opening their eyes and starting to agree with him. Look at the number of likes he receives. This really eats away at certain posters on this board and it is entertaining to listen to their whines about how this board has went down. This board now reflects the fanbase much better than any time in years past. This team is not all peaches and cream as this board has represented in the past.

I wouldn't consider myself a sunshine-pumper or a so called realist. There is no need to be on one side or the other each situation brings different views. I think for myself. If the "likes" thing is such a big deal and everyone is so concerned about popularity on a message board I would give them advice and tell them to go outside and enjoy life. They're obviously missing something in life that they are so concerned with "likes". Really I don't give a crap about how many "likes" someone has. That doesn't make them right. It just means that other happen to agree with those persons views. You can't really be making an argument that someone is right or a "year ahead" because of the "likes" they get? I mean really? That's pretty weak

 

[TheDude]

We're basically on the same page on the contract, even though we're going back and forth on it. It was the sort of contract you give a young veteran with starting experience at a position where you think he might start for you in a pinch, but that you're looking to upgrade at the same time. The years and the amount above the vet minimum makes it obvious that it's more than the sort of vet minimum deal you offer to a guy to round out your roster, and the fact that it's not larger makes it clear that he wasn't signed to be a clear-cut long term starter. It was a low risk signing to give the team an option at a position of need prior to the draft.

Fair enough

That's all fine, though, because the fact that one NFL team extending him, and the other signed him for more than a year at more than the minimum proves the point. It's not like there were two sides on Phil Costa...one saying he's an all pro and another saying he doesn't belong in the league. The sides were saying he's a walk-on player who's capable of giving you starting snaps and the other saying he doesn't belong in the league at all. It really hasn't been a debate from the time Dallas extended him.

The arguments I have seen here usually start by people proclaiming Costa as a viable starter - Not all-pro. I would place him as a 48-53 type player who does round out a roster and the fact he can supposedly play guard gives him some value. I never put the total validation on that contract. For a 3-4 year player, he was bound to get looks for camp - I wasn't convinced he was making the team. ['quote]

In any event, my first post in the thread was 'lol,' because his abrupt retirement basically means there won't be any chance for either side to really feel vindicated. Phil Costa, starting any games at all for the Colts would have been pretty amusing. As would 'Phil Costa, cut by Indianapolis in the cut down to 53,' I have to admit. I think I like him just up and retiring before the start of camp best, though, given all the back and forth about this particular player. It feels sort of like the ending of Lost.

Awsome take

 

[CowboyStar88]

So a ex-Cowboy player retires from the game and we end up with a double digit page thread that it takes a road map to negotiate thru.

Welcome to the Cowboyzone You know where "likes" count as popularity! and chest thumping about being being "right" by default makes you an expert!

 

[manster4ever]

he will be a great center one day

lol

 

[manster4ever]

unreal...the guy was BRUTAL.

 

[DallasEast]

So a ex-Cowboy player retires from the game and we end up with a double digit page thread that it takes a road map to negotiate thru.

Yep.

 

[DallasEast]

Welcome to the Cowboyzone You know where "likes" count as popularity! and chest thumping about being being "right" by default makes you an expert!

LOL! What?

 

[casmith07]

Yep.

This is what we trained for!

 

[CowboyStar88]

LOL! What?

Jnday said RS gets lots of likes so that means he is right and more people agree with his views.

 

[TheDude]

Yeah. That's unusual, now that you mention it. Wonder what really went on there. It'd be nice if he were really just being stand-up. Nice and surprising.



The church of Risen Star vibe going on in this thread creeps me out a bit, I must admit, but I will say that I agree here that Risen puts it out there and that he's unemotional about his assessments and that's a good thing. Not that anybody ever thought this particular player was an M5. The question was always whether he was a Honda Civic, or was he a unicycle with a flat tire. He was an old Honda Civic that you got from your uncle at a really good price when you couldn't afford anything nicer.

I like to any posters who put out solid assessments - xwalker, honyock, hostile, etc, etc. - I don't need to argree to appreciate. I tend to gravitate to people who make black and white statements if they can support that. Sometimes in business it is that simple to declare a point and move on and not waste time, money, or resources.

Its hard to find someone who called for the commitment to the lines in the last 3-4 years more vociferously. During that build up, calling Costa, Proctor, Nagy, Cook, Livings, etc. unworthy starters was met with more derision that I expected. That derision is usually met with "internet poster" dismissal, or supported by comments by Jerry Jones quotes.

As soon as Tyron Smith and Fred were added (along with Waters), the line got better in 2013. You can't have 1 stud (tyron) and 4 JAGS for a serviceable OLine. The injuries on the dline were real, but I think a convenient excuse. Injuries increase with age and Rat, Ware and Spencer were aging. The priority of CB over Safty and DLine may be different schools of thought, but Its hard to remember a top 5 corner helping win a SB in the 2000s

 

[TheDude]

I think you need to go back and read his assessment and posts again. It's virtually impossible to give an assessment without emotion (human nature) The guy is full of emotion and is vocal about his stances/views. Just because you agree with his assessments doesn't mean they are accurate or right. Those stances and views are predicated off an emotion. He also shows the need to be right and point it out for everyone to see so he gets a pat on the back (even though he is wrong here) That is emotion.

I see zero balance in his assessments outside of the draft stuff. Why? Because
Not a single player is a Cowboy yet there is no emotional investment to be made But someone who routinely says they don't get emotionally invested yet all they do is comment on everything they don't like is doing exactly what they say they aren't. That is being emotional.

Heck who can argue with a guy whose name is Mclovin. Every time I see your name I just chuckle because the role was perfect in Superbad. Now go buy some beer!

It's just perception and style. When I am betting on an NFL game, I dont factor in back stories (UDFA, THe blind side) in assessing how they will perform this week. I don't think anyone has a personal vendetta against Costa, Matt Johnson or Heath. But fielding those guys against 90-95% (or be optimistic and say 50-60%) of the NFL field of players is a match-up loss

NO one is going to be right 100% of the time. Hatcher outperfomed his expectations, I recall and had a decent couple of games to end the year (still is replaceable). I have seen him prop to Tyron, Fred, Lee, Dez, Romo, etc. The emotion, in my perception of reading the back and forth, are more from poster arguing that JAGS and scrubs are really not that - because Jerry or Garrett says so.

 

[jobberone]

I think this is not the point of the "puff chest guys." Everyone will acknowledge that every NFL team will have some positions that are filled by JAGs. Of those JAGS, there is likeyl a rank order. If you can upgrade - you do. Identifying those players isn't too hard. The irritant for some is that many will fall in line with the Jim Jones juice the FO pushes by saying - "We're set, we like what X brings - gonna be fine there." Then people argue that the scrub/Jag will be fine, and then extrapolate it to "not a need".

What I like about Risen assessments is that he is unemotional about the assessments. Nobody will hit 100%, but many times the organization will tell you the BMW emblem glued on top of a 1990 Honda civic is a true M5. I love to bet games, and if you want to be decent at it, you have to be honest in looking at teams and players.

You just totally missed the point. No comes out in public and says we have to play this player because we don't have anyone else better. At least not often nor for long. You play the cards you are dealt and play them like a winner unless you just want to fold.

 

[TheDude]

You just totally missed the point. No comes out in public and says we have to play this player because we don't have anyone else better. At least not often nor for long. You play the cards you are dealt and play them like a winner unless you just want to fold.

Parcells did.

- "1-800-QB"
- "annointing oil"
- " a little bit of his handy work right there"
- "birds of similar plumage congregate in ares of close proximity"
- "not ready for canton just yet, tap the brakes"

Granted he was an extreme, but I can find multiple quotes from Jerry about individual players looking great, gonna be a player, etc. before even taking the field.

 

[DallasEast]

Jnday said RS gets lots of likes so that means he is right and more people agree with his views.

That's illogical. If a reader likes something, they click the Like button. It has absolutely nothing to do with popularity. There are a number of ways to establish popularity. One way would be to install a Not Like button in conjunction with the Like button. A comparison of Likes and Not Likes would be far more indicative of how comments are received in terms of appreciation or nonappreciation held by either a fraction of site members or active site members at any given moment.

On a slightly unrelated note, this particular line of thinking is representative of comments with qualifiers like 'most posters' or 'all posters' attached to them. The comments do not quantify either the actual number of site members or even actual number of members actively posting or lurking during a set time frame.

 

[jobberone]

I saw a NFL communications thing quoting Goodell. De Smith is still suggesting that it's only 3.2 years. Ultimately the point is, a 4th round pick injured like Matt Johnson has been doesn't and shouldn't get too many opportunities to perform. This is pretty much a do or die year for him.

I think this is spot on. It is a separate issue re: can the guy play in the NFL. You have to stay on the field to play which is a Yogi Berraism but still the truth.

 

[jobberone]

Parcells did.

- "1-800-QB"
- "annointing oil"
- " a little bit of his handy work right there"
- "birds of similar plumage congregate in ares of close proximity"
- "not ready for canton just yet, tap the brakes"

Granted he was an extreme, but I can find multiple quotes from Jerry about individual players looking great, gonna be a player, etc. before even taking the field.

And.... What's your point. Of course Jerry is going to promote the team. That's the owner talking. What the hell do you expect from him. Now if you say he should sit down and shut up then I'm on your team.

 

[jobberone]

That's illogical. If a reader likes something, they click the Like button. It has absolutely nothing to do with popularity. There are a number of ways to establish popularity. One way would be to install a Not Like button in conjunction with the Like button. A comparison of Likes and Not Likes would be far more indicative of how comments are received in terms of appreciation or nonappreciation held by either a fraction of site members or active site members at any given moment.

On a slightly unrelated note, this particular line of thinking is representative of comments with qualifiers like 'most posters' or 'all posters' attached to them. The comments do not quantify either the actual number of site members or even actual number of members actively posting or lurking during a set time frame.

Spot on. I'll hit the like button for a variety of reasons. I might not agree with a lot of the post but I like the way it was presented or that poster put out food for thought, yada.

Perhaps the like button should go bye bye.