Pick One Guy from the front office or coaching to have in Dallas

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theogt;2558899 said:
He's terrible. His defenses are disastrous.

Are you sure you have the right guy? His defenses have been excellent over the years. We almost brought him in last January as the DC but Wade liked Brian Stewart instead.

He had excellent defenses with the Stealers, Panthers, & Jags. Even with the Texans his defense weren't that bad.
 

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I think the entire roster and coaching staff blew it. But I have never been stupid enough to use the shotgun approach to looking at problems. I don't simply get pissed off and blast away without knowing whys and wherefores. No one has a "clean pass" but no one is getting the brunt of the buckshot either.

If you ask me if Garrett was a major reason for the blew it, I will tell you no. He shares some blame.

And if you look closely the real football experts -- people like Marshall Fauk who technically know the game when they see film -- are repeatedly talking about how Jason Garret failed to adjust to the adjustments defensive coordiantors made on him. Ray lewis was going on and on about how simple the scheme was as the reason they shut it down.

Jason Garrett's incompetence was the first domino to fall...bottom line! So I'm not looking to just blast one guy, but I will expose the root cause! Garrett's getting outcoached was clearly exposed as early as in the first Washinton game when Garrett was out-schemd out of calling a running game or using Felix Jones; and the same out-coaching continued since throughout the year.

That's the root-cause of all problems Dallas at the end of the day -- that Garrett's incompetence was the first domino to fall, and over time sytematically led to other dominos falling, like players over time getting fed up with it. But let's blame them. :rolleyes: Garret was also the one who lobied for Johnson as the backup QB. Jones listened, but let's just blme Jones for this; not Garrett and his QB-playing/coaching expertise! Garrett was 13-3 last year with this year's coach of the year, bit this year he was incompetent without him. Let's blame Jones for this failed offense also. :rolleyes:

Everyone wants to blame the last dominos that fell (i.e. T.O. incident, etc.) but the novice-reporters who don't really understand the game technically don't want to do their jobs and dig for hte root cause. But the real knowledgable "football insiders turned analysts" who know football technically all point to Garrett's root-cause failures. (by the way, those are the expert opinions I look to first, not chumps like Ed Werder or Randy Galloway, or even Mickey Spagnola, who means well but really is a novice himself).

Fix Garrett's root-cause failures, and then many other problems on offense never emerge. One way to fix that is to replace Garrett altogether and upgrade the Offensive Coordinator position. And don't think the Cowboys don't know this technically either; they do, which is why Garrett is allowed to look for other work, and the Cowboys are privately hoping he gets offered it and goes.
 

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THUMPER;2558954 said:
Are you sure you have the right guy? His defenses have been excellent over the years. We almost brought him in last January as the DC but Wade liked Brian Stewart instead.

He had excellent defenses with the Stealers, Panthers, & Jags. Even with the Texans his defense weren't that bad.
His Texans defenses were terrible. Miami had a good defense before he showed up and he drove them into the ground.

He had one good season in Jacksonville. His Carolina defense started out strong and gradually got worse every year. By his last season there it was literally the worst defense in the league.

This guy is a bum. Why he still has a job in the NFL, I have no idea. His entire career is based off 2 good seasons with the Steelers in the early 90s.
 

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AMERICAS_FAN;2558976 said:
And if you look closely the real football experts -- people like Marshall Fauk who technically know the game when they see film -- are repeatedly talking about how Jason Garret failed to adjust to the adjustments defensive coordiantors made on him. Ray lewis was going on and on about how simple the scheme was as the reason they shut it down.

Jason Garrett's incompetence was the first domino to fall...bottom line! So I'm not looking to just blast one guy, but I will expose the root cause! Garrett's getting outcoached was clearly exposed as early as in the first Washinton game when Garrett was out-schemd out of calling a running game or using Felix Jones; and the same out-coaching continued since throughout the year.

That's the root-cause of all problems Dallas at the end of the day -- that Garrett's incompetence was the first domino to fall, and over time sytematically led to other dominos falling, like players over time getting fed up with it. But let's blame them. :rolleyes: Garret was also the one who lobied for Johnson as the backup QB. Jones listened, but let's just blme Jones for this; not Garrett and his QB-playing/coaching expertise! Garrett was 13-3 last year with this year's coach of the year, bit this year he was incompetent without him. Let's blame Jones for this failed offense also. :rolleyes:

Everyone wants to blame the last dominos that fell (i.e. T.O. incident, etc.) but the novice-reporters who don't really understand the game technically don't want to do their jobs and dig for hte root cause. But the real knowledgable "football insiders turned analysts" who know football technically all point to Garrett's root-cause failures. (by the way, those are the expert opinions I look to first, not chumps like Ed Werder or Randy Galloway, or even Mickey Spagnola, who means well but really is a novice himself).

Fix Garrett's root-cause failures, and then many other problems on offense never emerge. One way to fix that is to replace Garrett altogether and upgrade the Offensive Coordinator position. And don't think the Cowboys don't know this technically either; they do, which is why Garrett is allowed to look for other work, and the Cowboys are privately hoping he gets offered it and goes.
Football experts are always divided on opinions just like fans. I can show you just as many football experts who have faith in the man.

You believe who you want to believe. I refuse to forget all I know about football because of a few opinions. I'm stubborn that way. I just won't do it.
 

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ABQCOWBOY;2558638 said:
Pick one guy from the Front Office or Coaching, to have here in Dallas, which one would it be? No players, just Coach or someone from the Front Office.

I think I'd pick Ozzie Newsome. If I could pick just one guy, that would probably be it.
Mike singletary as HC. And Wade as DC.
 

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Hostile;2559027 said:
Football experts are always divided on opinions just like fans. I can show you just as many football experts who have faith in the man.

You believe who you want to believe. I refuse to forget all I know about football because of a few opinions. I'm stubborn that way. I just won't do it.

Fine, but I hear no actual reasons other than to promote him "just because". What has he actually done to warrant a promotion to head coach? If it's all based on his potential then I'm sure thre are hundereds of minds in the NFL coaching ranks with exactly that, and smarts. So why Garrett, or are there no actual reasons other than "just because"?
 

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If it's someone we already have i'll take my chances with Stephen Jones handling the cap over the next 20 years and hope he brings in a good GM when daddy's gone. If it's someone from the outside, hands down Scott Peoli.
 

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AMERICAS_FAN;2559259 said:
Fine, but I hear no actual reasons other than to promote him "just because". What has he actually done to warrant a promotion to head coach? If it's all based on his potential then I'm sure thre are hundereds of minds in the NFL coaching ranks with exactly that, and smarts. So why Garrett, or are there no actual reasons other than "just because"?
I think if it were as simple and clear cut as you appear to think it is that he wouldn't be getting interviews for head coaching jobs. I mean if you and Marshall Faulk can see it, then why are Pat Bowlen and the Fords even giving him a chance?
 

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peplaw06;2559291 said:
I think if it were as simple and clear cut as you appear to think it is that he wouldn't be getting interviews for head coaching jobs. I mean if you and Marshall Faulk can see it, then why are Pat Bowlen and the Fords even giving him a chance?

And why isn't Jones promoting him? Maybe it's because Jones kept him last year with the potential opportunity ot make him the future head coach, making the Job Garrett's to lose, and in turn that's exactly what he did -- lose it? Maybe, just maybe? I have given reasons why Garrett should not be promoted, but none of his apologists can still answer my question "What has Garrett done to warrant this promotion?" So far everyone's silence of a non-answer is answer enough.
 

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Belicheat....cause Goodell has a man crush on him.....so we would have the Commish in our back pocket.
 

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peplaw06;2559291 said:
I think if it were as simple and clear cut as you appear to think it is that he wouldn't be getting interviews for head coaching jobs. I mean if you and Marshall Faulk can see it, then why are Pat Bowlen and the Fords even giving him a chance?

Well, Marshall said some nice things about Garrett in the interview he's referencing. There's a reason ** can't see it, but it's not because the evidence isnt' there.

I've never heard a coach who's coached with Garrett say anything other than that he's whip-smart, organized, and has the aura of a head coach.

The closest I've ever heard a player come to criticizing him was Romo's comments about the team failing to make adjustments in one game. Garrett wasn't even mentioned by name. Our offense improved significantly when he took it over. Our players--including players who've played for other top coaches--rave about him. He's aggressive, loyal, and hardworking. He's handled a tough situation with Wade gracefully and professionally. He had a dropoff this year, but it's been carefully explained to me that that was because his QB isn't very good because he went to Cabo once and doesn't scream at people in the huddle.
 

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AMERICAS_FAN;2559259 said:
Fine, but I hear no actual reasons other than to promote him "just because". What has he actually done to warrant a promotion to head coach? If it's all based on his potential then I'm sure thre are hundereds of minds in the NFL coaching ranks with exactly that, and smarts. So why Garrett, or are there no actual reasons other than "just because"?
To answer this I am going to go back to 1954. The New York Giants had a player who was extremely smart. So smart that while he was still playing for them, they made him their Defensive Coordinator. Not DB Coach, LB Coach, or DL Coach. He was made the DC. His name, as I am sure you have guessed is Tom Landry.

He was a DC for 5 years when Clint Murchison signed him to be the first Head Coach of the Dallas Cowboys. He was raw, virtually unproven, and brilliant. There was a time when his teams struggled to grasp his systems.

In 1965 he had a compiled coaching resume of 25-53-4. Fans and the media gave up on him. Some players did too. They started clamoring for him to be fired. To move on. Had I been an involved fan like I am now, I might have too. I am 100% sure that most of the fans on this forum would hate his guts and want him gone.

Tex Schramm, the man I consider to be the best GM in History, gave him a 10 year contract extension. What the hell was Tex doing? Couldn't he see the man couldn't coach? Couldn't he see that teams were on to his plays?

I am what you might call a Football Historian. I love the History of the game. Did you know that many consider Vince Lombardi to be the greatest Head Coach to ever stride the sidelines? That the Super Bowl trophy is named after him because his team won the first 2 of them? Okay, I am pretty sure you do know those things. Did you know that for most of his time coaching his Offense was predictable? I'm guessing you didn't. He had a Fullback named Jim Taylor who he ran a lot like Marion Barber. Like he took it personal.

Jim Taylor was Lombardi's "Bread and Butter." Teams knew he was going to get the ball and which direction he was going to run. The problem was stopping him. Sometimes they did. Sometimes they didn't. When they couldn't the chains moved and the Packers would score. You talk about predictability as if it is a crutch. If there is performance tied to that predictability it can be devastating. Green Bay is called Titletown for a reason.

I'm sure you are incredulously asking what this has to do with Jason Garrett? I did not dare just compare Jason Garrett to two Hall of Fame coaches. I did. The common factor between the 3? Football brilliance.

Back when Jason Garrett was the 3rd string QB here Jimmy Johnson (maybe you've heard of him) realized how brilliant Jason Garrett was and effectively assigned him to be the QB Coach for Troy Aikman. While he was still playing. After he left here and went to the Giants I saw an article where they talked about Jason Garrett understanding the Offensive system even better than the coaches and they often turned to him in meetings.

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." --George Santayana, 1905 in his book Flux and Constancy in Human Nature.

If you want to turn a blind eye to the fact that Miami did not want to lose Jason Garrett, be my guest. If you wish to turn a blind eye to the fact that 4 other NFL teams have put him on the radar as a Head Coach, be my guest. If you choose to ignore the commentary of Troy Aikman, Michael Irvin, Darren Woodson, Montrae Holland and even Terrell Owens on Garrett's knowledge of the game, be my guest. If you choose to ignore the fact that Jerry Jones made him the highest paid OC in the NFL in the hopes of him one day taking over as Head Coach, be my guest.

But don't ever for one minute in your life, waste your time thinking I am going to hop on board your Jason Garrett sucks bandwagon or agree with you about him. Don't waste your time. Stop asking me. Or learn the game and its History. I simply do not agree with the howling masses of fans and media who think this guy got figured out and it will doom this team. I simply don't agree. History has a way of repeating itself.
 

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Idgit;2559427 said:
Well, Marshall said some nice things about Garrett in the interview he's referencing. There's a reason ** can't see it, but it's not because the evidence isnt' there.

I've never heard a coach who's coached with Garrett say anything other than that he's whip-smart, organized, and has the aura of a head coach.

The closest I've ever heard a player come to criticizing him was Romo's comments about the team failing to make adjustments in one game. Garrett wasn't even mentioned by name. Our offense improved significantly when he took it over. Our players--including players who've played for other top coaches--rave about him. He's aggressive, loyal, and hardworking. He's handled a tough situation with Wade gracefully and professionally. He had a dropoff this year, but it's been carefully explained to me that that was because his QB isn't very good because he went to Cabo once and doesn't scream at people in the huddle.
Great post. I'll applaud it. Others will ignore it or dismiss it.
 

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Its a tie between Belicheat or Pioli. Not really sure who deserves all the credit.
 
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