Please Explain This To Me About Brady

[Staubacher]

They are light years better at home, no matter who they play. That's where their cheating advantage really shines through. They have like a ninety-percent home win record during this era. The rations are so skewed it's an anomaly and should raise serious flags, especially because of spygate. There half-time adjustments at home also, watch how different they are.

I knew when they got home field advantage through the play-offs this year, they would have a cake-walk through the play-offs. Remember the year they beat San Diego in the Conderence championship. Brady threw five picks on the road.

Shady Brady at home..

Yup. We know they cheated by taping other teams, violating the QB headset rules, and changing the game balls. What else do they do?

 

[khiladi]

Yup. We know they cheated by taping other teams, violating the QB headset rules, and changing the game balls. What else do they do?

Google the name Ernie Adams and Berj Najarian..

BB is as shady as they come..

 

[Miller]

He said in his presser that he likes a ball at exactly 12.5 pounds and that is "the perfect ball" for him.

He then says he never noticed the game balls being 15% lighter than regulation.



These two comments don't make sense. If you cannot tell if a ball is inflated to 13 pounds or if it is at 11 pounds, how the hell do you know you like a ball at 12.5? I mean, he said in his presser that he cant tell the difference between an 11 pound ball and a 13 pound ball, so how does he know that he likes a ball a "exactly 12.5 pounds" as he was quoted as saying several times?


Your honor, the witness is contradicting himself.

I don't find his contradictory. The refs also handle the balls all game and are he ones in charge of making sure they are properly inflated. They all said during that game that they wouldn't have been able to tell because of the rain, etc. They were just trying to get the ball in play.

Brady tests all the balls before and likes them on the lighter end. During a game, when reading defenses, taking snaps and throwing, I doubt he is thinking "this ball is a lot better and deflated." JMO.

I know many of us already discussed what it means to cheat but I think people are getting WAY ahead of themselves making judgments about who is at fault. Mark Brunell is crying and calling Brady a liar while Dan Marino, Theisman and others are saying they wouldn't be able to tell a difference.

 

[khiladi]

First Brady was laughing and everybody was denying it even happened, now suddenly the issue is who is at fault...

 

[tyke1doe]

The "I don't believe" part means that if the ball was below his already normally low psi standards--and he did not know it was below the legal limit--then he did not believe he was cheating but could have been anyway.
At least that's how I took it.
Kind of a plausible deniability thing.

But if you don't know about it, how can you then be accused of cheating?
Asking a person if they've cheated is a direct accusation, which calls for a direct answer, particularly when the offense has been outlined.
If someone asked me if I cheated on a test, I would say, "No." I wouldn't say, "I don't believe that I did." My answer would assume that I knew what the rules were and didn't violate them.

But let's say, I didn't cheat, yet a teacher's aide who likes me changed some of my answers to the correct answer, and I found out about it later. If someone asked me if I cheated, I would still say "No" because the cheating didn't originate with me. It would be up to the questioner to ask, "Did someone cheat on your behalf?" And if I knew this and said, "No" that would make me a liar.

 

[DFWJC]

But if you don't know about it, how can you then be accused of cheating?
Asking a person if they've cheated is a direct accusation, which calls for a direct answer, particularly when the offense has been outlined.
If someone asked me if I cheated on a test, I would say, "No." I wouldn't say, "I don't believe that I did." My answer would assume that I knew what the rules were and didn't violate them.

But let's say, I didn't cheat, yet a teacher's aide who likes me changed some of my answers to the correct answer, and I found out about it later. If someone asked me if I cheated, I would still say "No" because the cheating didn't originate with me. It would be up to the questioner to ask, "Did someone cheat on your behalf?" And if I knew this and said, "No" that would make me a liar.

I'm driving down the street at 38 mph in 35 mph speed zone not paying attention and it's near Highland Park, Texas, so a cop has nothing better to do so they pull me over. hehe
He asks, "were you speeding?" and I honestly say " I don't believe so".
It's not that hard to see...imo.

This is not a statement on behalf of Brady, it's just explaining the answer.
Actually, the more dishonest answer would be to say that you for sure know rules were not being broken.

 

[Shunpike]

Anyone notice that not a single NE RB lost a fumble all year? For the year NE lost 16 fumbles; 6 were by Brady, 5 by Edelman, Amendola and LaFell each lost one,a FB lost one, as did a LB and the LS.
BenJarvus Green-Ellis never lost a fumble in NE (588 touches) but lost 5 in Cincinnati (545 touches).

This should be pretty self explanatory.

It is very obvious Pats are doing this for a few years now.

 

[Aikmaniac]

I understand that all signs are pointing to the Pats cheating, but let's not start throwing around that they have to cheat to win. We are Cowboys fans after all. We all talk about "embracing the hate" of opposing team's fanbases and biased media. I understand that if you dislike the Patriots for cheating, but saying they're not or have not been a fantastic football team is a little petty as well.

I respect the Patriots in that they continue to be competitive year after year, however that does not protect them from getting harsh penalties for actions like these and what they've done before. I'd say the same if it was our Cowboys.

 

[Nirvana]

Mike Perreira, the previous head of NFL referees and now a Fox analyst, has a video clip out (must be available on YouTube) in which he clearly states that what the patriots did is cheating and the NFL will deal harshly with it

I would think he would know

His take is predicated on an assumption that the balls were inspected with a gauge prior to kick-off by league officials, but there is reason to suspect they did not (such as a former ball boy saying they often were not.) Pereira thinks someone got to the balls after that inspection - and I agree that would be a big deal, but I'm more inclined to believe the balls simply never got properly inspected by the league in the first place.

 

[Longboysfan]

a qb can tell the difference between the ball. Those deflated balls (no pun intended) are easier to grib in the rain then a hard ball. If you played qb in high school and up you would know.

They used it as a competitive advantage. NFL needs to make an example out of them. They are repeat offenders and it kind of makes you wonder what else are they doing that they are not getting caught doing? I think they should loose their head coach for a year and their first round draft pick.

Harsh i think not. Imagine the teams that could of won the superbowl or made it to the superbowl if it wasn't for them cheating with the spy-gate and ball-flate and whatever else they are doing.

Agreeded.
You wonder why they failed on the large stage the last two times.

Oh... Could be in part that the NFL had control of the balls in the Super Bowl.

 

[Derinyar]

I understand that all signs are pointing to the Pats cheating, but let's not start throwing around that they have to cheat to win. We are Cowboys fans after all. We all talk about "embracing the hate" of opposing team's fanbases and biased media. I understand that if you dislike the Patriots for cheating, but saying they're not or have not been a fantastic football team is a little petty as well.

I respect the Patriots in that they continue to be competitive year after year, however that does not protect them from getting harsh penalties for actions like these and what they've done before. I'd say the same if it was our Cowboys.

That's just it I don't think they have to cheat to win. I think their uber coach is so unstable he feels the need to get every advantage possible, even if he's cheating to get it. If there is determined to be cheating, and its honestly pretty easy to prove by weighing the balls, then you have to punish someone. I think the only person you can punish for this is Belicheck. If you believe his persona I can't buy that someone would screw with something in football ops without his permission and knowledge.

 

[mahoneybill]

Now there is an interesting twist.

Lik

Two interesting comments from Brady's press conference.
When asked whether he deflated the balls, Brady said, "I didn't deflate the ball." Of course, at least from the audio I heard, no one asked, "Did you ORDER someone to deflate the balls."
He was also asked "Are you a cheater." His response: "I don't believe I cheat." How do you answer that question any other way than, "No, I don't cheat!"?
I still like him and think he's a great quarterback. But I don't buy it that he didn't know the balls were deflated and didn't order them to be deflated.

Agree. Problem with reporters is they let people get away with " Bill Clinton like answers" I was never alone, I didn't have sex, depends what the meaning of is... is.. Not trying to start a political discussion, just using that as an example...

They need to probe more , as these guys are not going to incriminate themselves voluntarily.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

Their reputation is mud now. I'm still not sure why they both have press conferences yesterday because it just made it worse for both of them.

Bill is such a scrooge & he just comes across as being a jerk. He won't change anybody's mind.

Tom looked lost in his presser.

I think both feel they won't get in any major trouble. Kind of Teflon in that respect.

 

[Staubacher]

That's just it I don't think they have to cheat to win. I think their uber coach is so unstable he feels the need to get every advantage possible, even if he's cheating to get it. If there is determined to be cheating, and its honestly pretty easy to prove by weighing the balls, then you have to punish someone. I think the only person you can punish for this is Belicheck. If you believe his persona I can't buy that someone would screw with something in football ops without his permission and knowledge.

He cheats in a lot of areas. So far three have been uncovered. He does need to cheat to win. You can't single one cheat out as the one that makes them win games. If I steal 20 bucks from you it's not enough to pay my rent but when I add it to other money I stole I have my rent paid at the end of the month.

Disclaimer: I didn't take your 20 bucks.

 

[tyke1doe]

I'm driving down the street at 38 mph in 35 mph speed zone not paying attention and it's near Highland Park, Texas, so a cop has nothing better to do so they pull me over. hehe
He asks, "were you speeding?" and I honestly say " I don't believe so".
It's not that hard to see...imo.

Exactly. You weren't paying attention. So because you're not certain you say, "I don't believe so."
How is one not certain that one cheated?

This is not a statement on behalf of Brady, it's just explaining the answer.
Actually, the more dishonest answer would be to say that you for sure know rules were not being broken.

No, that's different. One can not know if one broke the rules. But cheating implies that you knew the rules and disobeyed them anyway.

If I'm not familiar with all the rules, and someone asks me, "Did you break the rules," I would say, "I believe I haven't." But that statement would be based on my knowledge, however impartial.

But if someone asks me "Did you cheat" that implies that I know the rules. And if I say, "No" that would cover me even if I didn't know all the rules because cheating is a sin of commission not a sin of omission like not knowing all the rules.

 

[DFWJC]

Exactly. You weren't paying attention. So because you're not certain you say, "I don't believe so."
How is one not certain that one cheated?



No, that's different. One can not know if one broke the rules. But cheating implies that you knew the rules and disobeyed them anyway.

If I'm not familiar with all the rules, and someone asks me, "Did you break the rules," I would say, "I believe I haven't." But that statement would be based on my knowledge, however impartial.

But if someone asks me "Did you cheat" that implies that I know the rules. And if I say, "No" that would cover me even if I didn't know all the rules because cheating is a sin of commission not a sin of omission like not knowing all the rules.

Splitting hairs

Cheating is cheating, whether you know you did on purpose or if it was an accident.
Use the car analogy again. I'm racing a buddy though Highland park (say we're taking different routes or whatever). The rules are to not exceed the speed limit or you're cheating. I don't stare at the speedometer the entire time but "believe" I never exceeded it. But in fact, I did, so I cheated (though not on purpose).
Someone then asks if I cheated and I honestly say "I don't believe so". simple.

You know we are bored when were dissecting crap like this.
lol

 

[Yakuza Rich]

He's lying. Nobody believes him. And if Belichick is going to put the blame on him, then I say fine...suspended for the Super Bowl and possibly suspended for a time in 2015 until we get the truth.

Something tells me that the truth would come flying right out of Brady, Belichick, Kraft, etc.






YR

 

[tyke1doe]

Splitting hairs

Cheating is cheating, whether you know you did on purpose or if it was an accident.
Use the car analogy again. I'm racing a buddy though Highland park (say we're taking different routes or whatever). The rules are to not exceed the speed limit or you're cheating. I don't started at the speedometer the entire time but "believe" I never exceeded it. But in fact, I did, so I cheated (though not on purpose).

You know we are bored when were dissecting crap like this.
lol

No, I don't think cheating is cheating if you didn't know it any more than a lie is a lie if you don't know you're telling one.
Both cheating and lying imply that you know the truth yet you don't share it. They involve a black-and-white relationship. The speeding analogy doesn't work because it involves a situation multiple variables. You could be speeding or you couldn't. You really don't know because you didn't look at the speedometer the whole time.
But ... if you tell a lie, you HAVE looked at the truth. And in the face of that truth, you go counter to it. Same with cheating. You know the rule, but you go counter to it. There is more a black-and-white correlation in one situation (cheating, lying) than it is another (speeding).
Now, you could very well exceed the speed limit beyond 35 and then say you didn't. That would be lying. But I think you would know if you were going say, 60 mph than 33 mph.

Oh, and sometimes hairs need to be split.

 

[DFWJC]

No, I don't think cheating is cheating if you didn't know it any more than a lie is a lie if you don't know you're telling one.
Both cheating and lying imply that you know the truth yet you don't share it. They involve a black-and-white relationship. The speeding analogy doesn't work because it involves a situation multiple variables. You could be speeding or you couldn't. You really don't know because you didn't look at the speedometer the whole time.
But ... if you tell a lie, you HAVE looked at the truth. And in the face of that truth, you go counter to it. Same with cheating. You know the rule, but you go counter to it. There is more a black-and-white correlation in one situation (cheating, lying) than it is another (speeding).
Now, you could very well exceed the speed limit beyond 35 and then say you didn't. That would be lying. But I think you would know if you were going say, 60 mph than 33 mph.

Oh, and sometimes hairs need to be split.

We disagree then.
Simple as that

 

[fgoodwin]

Draft pick is meaningless
If they knowingly did this then BB and Brady should be banned from the SB

That would be the only fair way
They took away the opportunity of going to the SB unfairly so it should be taken away from them

The Colts lost that game big time, but ball pressure had very little to do with it.

The refs re-inflated the balls for the second half, and I believe the Pats outscored the Colts 28-0 in the second half using properly inflated balls.

But I agree they cheated and should be punished.