News: Pollard can't be "the guy."

SteveTheCowboy said:
Exactly. Your stat leaves a LOT of questions.

There should be NO hard counts. Design plays that suit them best...make in game adjustments. Situational.

Not only clalling plays that suit each, but calling therm at the right time. And with some surprise.

This notion that Zeke gets precisely 10....Tony precisely 15...is stupid.

Not sure what you mean but "zeke ain't "that" dude anymore". No back with 10 carries ever was or ever will be. Tony hasn't show he is a "dude" either. Gassed out.
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These aren’t my stats…these are NFL stats that Zeke and Pollard have earned. I’m simply acknowledging that Pollard is better in just about every stat out there outside of pass protection.

I’ve seen Zeke run with Dak under center this year and from the gun, running inside and outside and it doesn’t really change anything. I don’t see how Zeke getting more carries changes anything seeing as Pollard is showing more with the same limited amount of carries and there are a multitude of runners in the NFL that are doing more with a similar amount of carries to Zeke.

Pollards YPA, YAC and number of explosive plays make him way more of a dude than Zeke at this point in his career.
 
RonnieT24 said:
Pollard has always been better suited for this offense. At least in the running game. The fact that Moore heavily favors shotgun run and delay handoffs far and away fits Pollard's skillset and running style better. I have been saying that for over three years. The question to me is whether that style of offense is better for the Cowboys. I am of the mind that the power running game is better for this team. The downhill power running game leads to far less games of averaging < 2 ypc and far fewer negative runs. Maybe you get a few more big plays.. but does it win you more games? Barry Sanders played in 6 playoff games in his career. Emmitt Smith played in 19..

Eric Dickerson played in 7 playoff games.. Marcus Allen played in 16. Adrian Peterson played in 5 playoff games.. LeGarrette Blount played in 11. Over the course of history the more explosive big play threat backs have spent far more time watching the playoffs on TV than the steady production tough running guys. That's where my affinity for the tough runners comes from. That style has been shown to be far superior for winning games especially in the playoffs. Sure one can counter that those guys went to better teams.. but Emmitt was drafted by a team that went 1-15. Sooooo... maybe the players help MAKE their teams better..

The bottom line is winning games.. If we go deep in the playoffs using the current style I will have no problem going into next season with Pollard as the #1 back. I posted at the end of 2018 that if the Cowboys weren't going to commit to the power running game they should trade Zeke.. They're wasting him in this current system.. and have been for most of the last 3 seasons.
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It’s a 22 man team lineup on both sides of the ball game .. it’s not solo one man sports as in Boxing or MMA, ..

There are several upon several of HOF’er players that never came close to a SB, ..but does that mean that they themselves were responsible for Not getting to the playoff, deeper in the playoffs or never been in a SB ?

And the last few years with the SBs, who have been the "star' RBs that supposedly ‘won” the SB’s?..
Fournette ?.. Damien Williams ? .. Sony Michel ? ..Darrell Henderson ?

Remember that’s it’s not the grind great cloud of dust run game era as it was in the 80’s and 90;s.
A strong run game damn sure helps in the playoffs,.... an even stronger defense helps even significantly more.

“ Defenses win Championships.. “ when has the case ever been any different in the past few Super Bowls ?

Are we the Cowboys.. at that championship level on the defensive side of the ball.?
 
RonnieT24 said:
We may never find out if Zeke can tote it that many times while he is in Dallas. He only hit 20 carries twice in 2021 and I believe only got there three times in 2020. As I've said many times, that's just not the way Moore wants to play football. I readily acknowledge that there is more than one way of winning football games so if we win doing it his way then fine by me. But the last time we won a playoff game it was 2018 and it was on the shoulders of Zeke that we did so.. Now he (and his line) are a little older these days.. but I think he could muster up one or two more such games for the playoffs if asked.
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I did not know those stats on Zeke. So thank you for that. We may need to rely more on our tight ends Sunday as well. I like our team. We don’t have an easy schedule. That will serve us well come playoff time, I think…
 
quickccc said:
It’s a 22 man team lineup on both sides of the ball game .. it’s not solo one man sports as in Boxing or MMA, ..

There are several upon several of HOF’er players that never came close to a SB, ..but does that mean that they themselves were responsible for Not getting to the playoff, deeper in the playoffs or never been in a SB ?

And the last few years with the SBs, who have been the "star' RBs that supposedly ‘won” the SB’s?..
Fournette ?.. Damien Williams ? .. Sony Michel ? ..Darrell Henderson ?

Remember that’s it’s not the grind great cloud of dust run game era as it was in the 80’s and 90;s.
A strong run game damn sure helps in the playoffs,.... an even stronger defense helps even significantly more.

“ Defenses win Championships.. “ when has the case ever been any different in the past few Super Bowls ?

Are we the Cowboys.. at that championship level on the defensive side of the ball.?
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RB is arguably most replaceable position on the roster. Smart teams aren’t spending there and understand.

Jerry is trying to live in the 90s and make Zeke the next Emmit when he’s clearly declined since his first 3 years.
 
cnuball21 said:
These aren’t my stats…these are NFL stats that Zeke and Pollard have earned. I’m simply acknowledging that Pollard is better in just about every stat out there outside of pass protection.

I’ve seen Zeke run with Dak under center this year and from the gun, running inside and outside and it doesn’t really change anything. I don’t see how Zeke getting more carries changes anything seeing as Pollard is showing more with the same limited amount of carries and there are a multitude of runners in the NFL that are doing more with a similar amount of carries to Zeke.

Pollards YPA, YAC and number of explosive plays make him way more of a dude than Zeke at this point in his career.
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Im staying with pollard not having the body of reps and workload, flat out missing blocking assignments, and admitting to being gassed out his one game start.

That has to change before i crown him way better than zeke. Im not saying he cant. Hes gotta show me first.....ill be cheering him on the whole time.
 
cnuball21 said:
RB is arguably most replaceable position on the roster. Smart teams aren’t spending there and understand.

Jerry is trying to live in the 90s and make Zeke the next Emmit when he’s clearly declined since his first 3 years.
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Zeke declined because Jason Garrett envisioned Zeke as the new Emmitt Smith ... bulked him up ..and beat him to a pulp, ....simply bell cowed him to death
the total Larry Johnson, Chris Johnson wear and tear mode.

What some don't realize is that even absorbing blitz-blocking can eventually combine to take its' toll as well ..and the Cowboys had JAGs and scrubs that flat did not work out as backups
ala Rod Smith .. and subject Zeke to even more beat down wear and tear. ..

Garrett, a member of that 90's team ..was the one stuck on the Emmitt bell cow plan because he never knew anything else.
 
SteveTheCowboy said:
Im staying with pollard not having the body of reps and workload, flat out missing blocking assignments, and admitting to being gassed out his one game start.

That has to change before i crown him way better than zeke. Im not saying he cant. Hes gotta show me first.....ill be cheering him on the whole time.
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I just don’t understand what you’re waiting for…Pollard has like 30 less carries than Zeke and again…has more yards, a higher YPA, higher YAC and more TDs.

The bell cow days are over…hardly any teams are giving their RBs 25 carrie’s a game. Neither is getting that moving forward…why not just give Pollard a few more touches and let Zeke be the 3rd down back for pass pro and short yardage work?
 
cnuball21 said:
I just don’t understand what you’re waiting for…Pollard has like 30 less carries than Zeke and again…has more yards, a higher YPA, higher YAC and more TDs.

The bell cow days are over…hardly any teams are giving their RBs 25 carrie’s a game. Neither is getting that moving forward…why not just give Pollard a few more touches and let Zeke be the 3rd down back for pass pro and short yardage work?
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Other than the fact that the team is winning with the current formula? Change just to satisfy fans and media? Hell naw.. I have seen this "exciting backup RB looks better than the starter in short bursts" movie many times before..

Emmitt Smith/Troy Hambrick
Julius Jones/Marion Barber
Marion Barber/Felix Jones
Felix Jones/Demarco Murray
Demarco Murray/Joseph Randle
.
.
.

The biggest one that still gives me nightmares is 2007. The team went 13-3 using one formula and RB rotation.. and changed it up for the playoffs.. for reasons only they can explain. The Cowboys have done this dance 5 times in the last 25 years.. It has only worked once.. when they went from Jones to Murray..

Not saying it can't work again.. but it would be the exception and not the rule. And again.. I don't care which way they do it as long as they win..
 
RonnieT24 said:
Other than the fact that the team is winning with the current formula? Change just to satisfy fans and media? Hell naw.. I have seen this "exciting backup RB looks better than the starter in short bursts" movie many times before..

Emmitt Smith/Troy Hambrick
Julius Jones/Marion Barber
Marion Barber/Felix Jones
Felix Jones/Demarco Murray
Demarco Murray/Joseph Randle
.
.
.

The biggest one that still gives me nightmares is 2007. The team went 13-3 using one formula and RB rotation.. and changed it up for the playoffs.. for reasons only they can explain. The Cowboys have done this dance 5 times in the last 25 years.. It has only worked once.. when they went from Jones to Murray..

Not saying it can't work again.. but it would be the exception and not the rule. And again.. I don't care which way they do it as long as they win..
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But no one’s asking for an overhaul or claiming that TP should get like an 80/20 split…we just want to see him get more touches bc all he’s done with
opportunity is make plays.

We’re talking about something along the lines of a 60 / 40 split. Give TP 17-20 touches a game and give Zeke 12-15.

It’s not earth shattering and not an overhaul. It’s giving the more dynamic playmaker the chance to touch the ball just a few more times a game.
 
cnuball21 said:
But no one’s asking for an overhaul or claiming that TP should get like an 80/20 split…we just want to see him get more touches bc all he’s done with
opportunity is make plays.

We’re talking about something along the lines of a 60 / 40 split. Give TP 17-20 touches a game and give Zeke 12-15.

It’s not earth shattering and not an overhaul. It’s giving the more dynamic playmaker the chance to touch the ball just a few more times a game.
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Asking to fix that which is not broken is a problem to me. The Cowboys also have to walk the tightrope between too much and too little work for Pollard. People are far too resistant to the simple reality that all human beings are not made the exact same. Some guys can run for miles, some guys need oxygen after 100 meters. I have no problem with giving Pollard more totes if he is feelin it. However I aint takin Zeke out of the game if HE is feelin it either nor am I giving Pollard more touches if he is averaging .8 ypc. If Pollard comes in and breaks off some big runs, let him play .. But you still have to keep watch on his load as he has demonstrated over the course of his career that he is closer to the 100 meter guy than the 10K guy. It is what it is.. Again.. as long as they win.. I don't care..
 
RonnieT24 said:
Asking to fix that which is not broken is a problem to me. The Cowboys also have to walk the tightrope between too much and too little work for Pollard. People are far too resistant to the simple reality that all human beings are not made the exact same. Some guys can run for miles, some guys need oxygen after 100 meters. I have no problem with giving Pollard more totes if he is feelin it. However I aint takin Zeke out of the game if HE is feelin it either nor am I giving Pollard more touches if he is averaging .8 ypc. If Pollard comes in and breaks off some big runs, let him play .. But you still have to keep watch on his load as he has demonstrated over the course of his career that he is closer to the 100 meter guy than the 10K guy. It is what it is.. Again.. as long as they win.. I don't care..
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“Don’t fix what ain’t” broken is an awful way to operate in just about all aspects of life IMO. You should always be looking for improvement and ways for things to be more efficient.

In this case, TP getting more touches than Zeke at this point makes a ton of sense based on Zekes regression.
 
RonnieT24 said:
Just playing devil's advocate for a moment.. What happens if they get off the plane at it's 34 degrees and alternating between freezing rain and snow with 25 mph winds and the passing game is grounded. Suddenly it turns into a grind it out sort of game where you attempt MAYBE 15-20 passes and run it 40 times.. The Cowboys play 3-4 of those every year and if they're good enough will play 2-3 more in the playoffs. On those days you need a back who can tote it 25-30 times and most of it into the teeth of a defense that knows you can't pass.. The Cowboys only have one of those.. As has been repeated ad nauseum.. the Cowboys need both backs and are lucky to have them.
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:facepalm:
 
cnuball21 said:
But no one’s asking for an overhaul or claiming that TP should get like an 80/20 split…we just want to see him get more touches bc all he’s done with
opportunity is make plays.

We’re talking about something along the lines of a 60 / 40 split. Give TP 17-20 touches a game and give Zeke 12-15.

It’s not earth shattering and not an overhaul. It’s giving the more dynamic playmaker the chance to touch the ball just a few more times a game.
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Well fknit then give tony all the carries and the blocking assignments. Throw Zeke away like you want to do.

Let's really lay it on the line a....like see you the boss....let tony carry this team on his back and make an NFL qb like Zeke does.

I do wish we could do this. But smarter people than you.....run this team. But..... I'm still sick of this bullsp.
 
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