Pollard is fantastic but we have to let him walk

[Rayman70]

Yeah, lets cut the best player we have , makes sense.

 

[kskboys]

With Pollard you are looking at 7.5 to 8 mill contract.

And that is right around where I think we should offer him. If he wants a huge contract, let him walk.

 

[kskboys]

Good luck with that.
Stephen will only get bargain cheap vets.
" Money ball" players that he hopes to roll the dice and hits home (ala Dante Fowler, Malik Hooker, Jaylon Kearse)

Which is the best way to go, and it works when you have a good football mind to help pick them. Our money ball pickups have gotten a ton better since MM became the HC.

 

[Redline360]

Absolutely fn not.

Harder to replace Pollard than Zeke.

 

[Doomsday101]

And that is right around where I think we should offer him. If he wants a huge contract, let him walk.

I think maybe more important is how a contract is structured. We see raw numbers when looking at avg per year but how a contract is broken down and guarantees used I think means a bit more

 

[RonnieT24]

Why? Why do we have to let him walk? That might be a TERRIBLE idea. He is the 1 guy that gives us juice on offense. Letting Zeke walk makes much more sense. We have the kid Davis as well and he has been real good. Teach the kid how to pass block and we have Zeke's replacement to pair with Pollard in 2023.Dowdle can be the 3rd guy. Pollard may never be a great pass blocker. He is what he is, a guy that can take it the distance and change a game fast. Thats what he is. Zeke is great but is replaceable. Its a talented deep draft in 2023 btw, for running backs.We can draft a guy as well.

Davis has been okay.. but casting him as Zeke's replacement is horribly flawed for a number of reasons.

1) His size.. He's 5'10" 205. He aint replacing Zeke's power and inside running prowess at that size.
2) His durability. He struggled to stay in the lineup in college. Why? Probably #1 has something do with it. You can't hitch your wagon to a guy who can't stay on the field.
3) His blocking.. not that he's bad it or anything.. it's just unproven to this point. Pollard is proven to be just okay at it.. It's hard to function as a team that wants to pass as much as the Cowboys do with both backs sub-par at pass blocking. Then again maybe it forces Moore to call fewer passes.. which I'm all for!!!

All that said.. he's a really talented kid.. but frankly he's closer to a Pollard replacement than a Zeke replacement in my view. And to be clear, I don't believe he is as good as either of them. But he has great potential.

 

[quickccc]

I think he runs really hard I think he’s pretty effective but I can see how a lot of players can do what he does at a low cost.
I think the team loves him.

It's not a question of effort and toughness on the field, and locker room presence.. -
but ..
1) he's just no longer a player you fear and have to account your defense to stop.
2 ) He's just a grinder who blitz blocks, and that's not near enuff to account for what you're paying him - ala one of the highest paid RBs.

- And this is a business, you cannot be a Nurse Nancy to declining players. Dez Bryant, Aikman, Emmitt, Larry Allen, etc.
They will be forever endeared, but we have to let them go. Zeke should be/will be no different.

- Is there still use for him ? Yes, ..but as a role player. A complimentary change of pace guy. Ala Marion Barber, Mark Ingram type.
He'd still be my goal line guy. Where his immense leg drive and knack for the goal line is very value.
But a far much cheaper goal line specialist.

- Zeke would have to decide if he can live with a pay cut and reduced role,..or see if another NFL team would pick him up off waivers and for whatever reason
continue his existing contract.

 

[Established1971]

after Parsons, he is our MVP. He is THAT good.

 

[quickccc]

As much as we all been critical of this tactic by Stephen, its been paying off so far.

It's had hit and misses, and compare which ones we'd had more than the other.

- Do you remember the Gerald McCoy,.. Alden Smith,.. Dontari Poe, ..Everson Griffin, Daryl Worley cheap bargain add ons ?
and and it's not meant to be a "middle ground " building point for this team like most NFL teams tend to use FA.

- But what i think is Stephen has been relying more and more is McClay's extensive research, and a tighter pick and choose plan ... and he's not relying on as many a
number of cheap key vet sign-on vets.

- I see that as more of what McClay can do, ..than what Stephen can do.

 

[Jayinem]

I don't understand this forum, it's filled with supposed fans who actually just want to be cheap with the Dallas Cowboys money.

Humor me if we let Tony Pollard walk, who are we going to replace him with that will give us equal or better value?

Keep in mind we don't usually land anyone in free agency or make many trades.

So why are we saving money just out of principal of "don't pay rbs big money"?????????????? It makes no sense.

BTW he's a WR weapon as well, he won't get fat like Zeke and he hasn't been ran into the ground like Zeke.

So if you can tell me some great player on offense or defense that we're going replace him with I'll listen, otherwise your goal is to hurt the team. No logical person would say we're a better team with Tony Pollard than without him.

 

[kskboys]

I don't understand this forum, it's filled with supposed fans who actually just want to be cheap with the Dallas Cowboys money.

Humor me if we let Tony Pollard walk, who are we going to replace him with that will give us equal or better value?

Keep in mind we don't usually land anyone in free agency or make many trades.

So why are we saving money just out of principal of "don't pay rbs big money"?????????????? It makes no sense.

BTW he's a WR weapon as well, he won't get fat like Zeke and he hasn't been ran into the ground like Zeke.

So if you can tell me some great player on offense or defense that we're going replace him with I'll listen, otherwise you're goal is to hurt the team. No logical person would say we're a better team with Tony Pollard than without him.

Unless we pay him huge money. Then we may be better w/o him.

 

[Doomsday101]

I don't understand this forum, it's filled with supposed fans who actually just want to be cheap with the Dallas Cowboys money.

Humor me if we let Tony Pollard walk, who are we going to replace him with that will give us equal or better value?

Keep in mind we don't usually land anyone in free agency or make many trades.

So why are we saving money just out of principal of "don't pay rbs big money"?????????????? It makes no sense.

BTW he's a WR weapon as well, he won't get fat like Zeke and he hasn't been ran into the ground like Zeke.

So if you can tell me some great player on offense or defense that we're going replace him with I'll listen, otherwise you're goal is to hurt the team. No logical person would say we're a better team with Tony Pollard than without him.

I agree but like most things within reason. The big issue is by paying 1 player what will it cost you in being able to retain other key players. Players want to be paid within a market value and I don't blame them at all, they are not looking to give discounts after all it is their body they are putting on the line.

 

[Xeven]

RB seem to do their best in first 3-4 years? May as well go cheap and draft?

 

[Doomsday101]

RB seem to do their best in first 3-4 years? May as well go cheap and draft?

I agree if you think all backs are equal. SF did not seem to hesitate to get McCaffery and he is not dime a dozen RB.

 

[kskboys]

I don't understand this forum, it's filled with supposed fans who actually just want to be cheap with the Dallas Cowboys money.

Humor me if we let Tony Pollard walk, who are we going to replace him with that will give us equal or better value?

Keep in mind we don't usually land anyone in free agency or make many trades.

So why are we saving money just out of principal of "don't pay rbs big money"?????????????? It makes no sense.

BTW he's a WR weapon as well, he won't get fat like Zeke and he hasn't been ran into the ground like Zeke.

So if you can tell me some great player on offense or defense that we're going replace him with I'll listen, otherwise your goal is to hurt the team. No logical person would say we're a better team with Tony Pollard than without him.

Oh, and BTW, no one gives two crapps about the "Dallas Cowboy's money". Any concern is strictly about being able to form a super bowl contender. If you're more concerned about the money on a personal level, then I'll throw your statement back at you. Explain to me how we can form a super bowl contender after paying a space back big money. No logical person would say we're a better team after paying huge money to Pollard. If you think so, then your goal is to hurt the team!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[MyFairLady]

All of these conversations are the same and they are always pointless. Any player is worth keeping as long as they are on the right price just like any player is not worth keeping if their price tag is too high. The only exceptions to the rules are the top 5 QBs like Mahomes. IMHO if you are going to weigh in on this debate you need to come complete with your maximum contract offer. Just saying you would keep him or let him go is nonsense without context.

If he wants the McCaffrey, Kamara, Elliot 16m per year treatment I say thanks and good bye. If he can be had for 8m per year over 4 years I say welcome aboard. If someone else offers something in the middle at say 12m per year I think you have a tough choice on your hands and there is no right answer anymore.

 

[Creeper]

No. We don;t have to do anything until we see how much Pollard wants. What we have to do is bring Zeke's contract down to something more reasonable for what Zeke is there days.

 

[DuncanIso]

We don't have to.. But teams like Chicago got plenty money to overpay.. I don't see him taking less money.. This is his chance to get set for life..

Yup.

looking at 4-5 year deal. 60 million at least, after the GTD money.

Why do you think Zeke and TP are such good friends?

Zeke wants him to get his money too.

TP's speed isn't going to last forever.

 

[MyFairLady]

I don't understand this forum, it's filled with supposed fans who actually just want to be cheap with the Dallas Cowboys money.

Humor me if we let Tony Pollard walk, who are we going to replace him with that will give us equal or better value?

Keep in mind we don't usually land anyone in free agency or make many trades.

So why are we saving money just out of principal of "don't pay rbs big money"?????????????? It makes no sense.

BTW he's a WR weapon as well, he won't get fat like Zeke and he hasn't been ran into the ground like Zeke.

So if you can tell me some great player on offense or defense that we're going replace him with I'll listen, otherwise your goal is to hurt the team. No logical person would say we're a better team with Tony Pollard than without him.

So how high are you willing to go? Would you lock him in for 5 years at 16 million per year cause that is probably what it will take.

 

[kskboys]

All of these conversations are the same and they are always pointless. Any player is worth keeping as long as they are on the right price just like any player is not worth keeping if their price tag is too high. The only exceptions to the rules are the top 5 QBs like Mahomes. IMHO if you are going to weigh in on this debate you need to come complete with your maximum contract offer. Just saying you would keep him or let him go is nonsense without context.

If he wants the McCaffrey, Kamara, Elliot 16m per year treatment I say thanks and good bye. If he can be had for 8m per year over 4 years I say welcome aboard. If someone else offers something in the middle at say 12m per year I think you have a tough choice on your hands and there is no right answer anymore.

Very well said.

And it's going to be interesting going forward to see if Mahomey's contract keeps them from super bowls. When Brees got a huge contract, they had to let players walk to do so, and the Saints were a .500 team for the next, I think, 3 seasons. It cost them wins.

Only way out of this, IMO, is to simply make the QB pay a separate salary cap, or something like that.