Pollard is fantastic but we have to let him walk

[kskboys]

Yup.

looking at 4-5 year deal. 60 million at least, after the GTD money.

Why do you think Zeke and TP are such good friends?

Zeke wants him to get his money too.

TP's speed isn't going to last forever.

Correct.

And I almost feel sorry for a team that overpays him and then tries to make him a primary back. Basically, TPo's game is built on the springiness in his step. If given a lot more touches, that springiness will fade, making him a less effective back.

 

[quickccc]

Which is the best way to go, and it works when you have a good football mind to help pick them. Our money ball pickups have gotten a ton better since MM became the HC.

That football mind is Wil McClay.
Our small success version of Money Ball players goes as Wil McClay goes .. not Mike McCarthy.

- His group leads and does the inside heavy duty work on players around the NFL.
McClay gathers information in what the coaches prefer per scheme-fit and employs player evaluation and reports to those particular players
Occasionally we'll get players tied into current from past experience ..ala Damonte Kazee, Keanu Neal with Quinn...and Anthony Barr per George Edwards Jr.

- One reason why we may not be able to get over the hump is a lack of a star middle ground player.
Something Stephen has long been criticized for.

- As much as i am skeptical i am about his diva personality, that middle ground star status maybe actually the reason why there is the continued
speculation of Beckham coming here to Dallas.

 

[diamonddelts]

Terrible *** thread topic. Anyone talking about letting the number one playmaker on Dallas go is inhaling Fentanyl.

 

[SuperBowlz]

Terrible *** thread topic. Anyone talking about letting the number one playmaker on Dallas go is inhaling Fentanyl.

The thread isn't just about keeping a really good player or not. It's taking into account there's a salary cap and that many teams believe in not handing out big money deals to RBs and LBs. I hate to use fantasy football as an example but have you ever noticed how many good RBs there are out in this league. A team loses their top two RBs and some no name guy steps in and is fantastic. The point is good RBs are pretty easy to find and you want to hand out big deals to LTs, CBs, DEs, etc and not handcuff your team giving RBs huge money. I live in S Jersey and get a ton of Eagles news. They haven't drafted a LBer in round 1 since the 70's and Miles Sanders is having statistically a better year than Pollard and I guarantee they let him walk.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Smart teams don't deal out big money deals to RB's.

Agree/Disagree?

Disagree. He is MORE than just a RB. He is one of the top playmakers in the NFL. Aside from Tyreek Hill, who is making more impact plays than Pollard? Nobody. If we have to choose between him and Zeke, Zeke has gotta go. We can't pay a short yardage back 16M a year.

 

[infamousstyles]

If pollard isn’t on this team what does this offense really look like lol. Cap boy needs to figure it out with tp and the impending contracts of parsons, diggs, lamb, dak.

 

[conner01]

We currently have the tag on Shultz
Remove it and let Shultz walk.
That should free up the tag and the money for Pollard.

Schultz isn’t tagged for next year
Schultz only counts against this years cap and right now we don’t have the cap space to tag a punter, let alone a RB. We can and will free up some more space but it’s much cheaper to sign than tag a player because you could put the expensive years out farther
Last I checked we only had a couple mil for next year. The cap likely will go up also but the amount I don’t know

 

[conner01]

I agree. I think Pollard is more valuable. He is a good receiver as well and his yards after the catch are pretty good.

He’s somewhat like a Deebo or McCaffery type player
When the ball is in his hands he just makes plays
But to me the guys you extend or either elite at their position or a really good guy who is hard to replace
I think Zeke is playing really well but I think he’s easier to replace than what pollard brings. There aren’t many guys in the league that brings what pollard brings

 

[blueblood70]

That football mind is Wil McClay.
Our small success version of Money Ball players goes as Wil McClay goes .. not Mike McCarthy.

- His group leads and does the inside heavy duty work on players around the NFL.
McClay gathers information in what the coaches prefer per scheme-fit and employs player evaluation and reports to those particular players
Occasionally we'll get players tied into current from past experience ..ala Damonte Kazee, Keanu Neal with Quinn...and Anthony Barr per George Edwards Jr.

- One reason why we may not be able to get over the hump is a lack of a star middle ground player.
Something Stephen has long been criticized for.

- As much as i am skeptical i am about his diva personality, that middle ground star status maybe actually the reason why there is the continued
speculation of Beckham coming here to Dallas.

No its group effort IMHO that why staff meetings are held and they all sit in the room going over drafts and players to bring in in FA and what not.

 

[conner01]

If pollard isn’t on this team what does this offense really look like lol. Cap boy needs to figure it out with tp and the impending contracts of parsons, diggs, lamb, dak.

I think you have to keep Diggs and Parsons
They are elite players
I think Lamb is a top 10 player and since he’s the best we have we have to keep him
Pollard is a unique playmaker
I think the way they keep all of them is gonna be by extending Dak
That’s my guess but we will see how they do it
But Diggs, Parsons, Lamb and pollard have to be kept

 

[KJJ]

He is the best all purpose back in football. Doesn't he have a shot at having the best yards per carry for a career?

He may be the best all purpose back in the league this season. I haven’t looked to see what his yards per carry are compared to others over a career but he doesn’t get a heavy dose of carries. If he has 9 carries and has a big run that jacks up his average.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Smart teams don't deal out big money deals to RB's.

Agree/Disagree?

Sequel Elliott disagrees.

 

[blueblood70]

Smart teams don't deal out big money deals to RB's.

Agree/Disagree?

FT the guy, if Schultz was worth the FT and money that came with it, so is pollard, hes not just a rb, hes a receiving threat like Kamra and Cmac, brings more than a traditional rb , lets see under a FT can he repeat his production..but no big deal for 23 , cut zeke or reduce zekes deal by 50% , and Maliks ready to help and draft another rb in 23 for 24..

Lots of options and not lose Pollard..

 

[KJJ]

Murray had an injury history at OU and in he pros. Pollard hasn't gotten hurt yet. He will get hurt at some point, but he hasn't yet.

Murray was used as a workhorse which contributed to his injury history. I believe Pollard missed at least one game due to an injury, but he’s been splitting carries with Zeke his entire career which has kept him healthy and fresh. He’s bound to get hurt at some point if he’s used as a primary back. I don’t think a team will pay him a huge amount of money to have him split carries with another back. He’s not being used by the Cowboys in a lot of tough yardage situations to push the pile. That’s been Zeke’s role. He’ll be used a lot more if he’s making more money and that will likely lead to some injuries. Most backs that leave their original team never play as well for their second team. DeMarco Murray wasn’t as good when he left Dallas. Le’Veon Bell wasn’t any good when he left Pittsburgh. Herschel Walker wasn’t very good when he left Dallas and neither was Eric Dickerson when he left the Rams. The only backs I can think of that were really good for their second team was Marshawn Lynch, Marshall Faulk and Jerome Bettis.

 

[jazzcat22]

I much rather let Pollard run......run to the end zone....

 

[rambo2]

He may be the best all purpose back in the league this season. I haven’t looked to see what his yards per carry are compared to others over a career but he doesn’t get a heavy dose of carries. If he has 9 carries and has a big run that jacks up his average.

His career average is 5.3. Jim Brown had 5.2 and Barry Sanders had 5.0.

 

[rambo2]

Murray was used as a workhorse which contributed to his injury history. I believe Pollard missed at least one game due to an injury, but he’s been splitting carries with Zeke his entire career which has kept him healthy and fresh. He’s bound to get hurt at some point if he’s used as a primary back. I don’t think a team will pay him a huge amount of money to have him split carries with another back. He’s not being used by the Cowboys in a lot of tough yardage situations to push the pile. That’s been Zeke’s role. He’ll be used a lot more if he’s making more money and that will likely lead to some injuries. Most backs that leave their original team never play as well for their second team. DeMarco Murray wasn’t as good when he left Dallas. Le’Veon Bell wasn’t any good when he left Pittsburgh. Herschel Walker wasn’t very good when he left Dallas and neither was Eric Dickerson when he left the Rams. The only backs I can think of that were really good for their second team was Marshawn Lynch, Marshall Faulk and Jerome Bettis.

Pollard has been awesome any way you slice it.

 

[KJJ]

His career average is 5.3. Jim Brown had 5.2 and Barry Sanders had 5.0.

That’s a ridiculous comparison because Jim Brown and Barry Sanders were every down backs. They received a lot more carries than Tony Pollard and weren’t splitting carries with another back...get real! Lol Felix Jones averaged 8.9 and 5.9 per carry his first two seasons in the league because he didn’t get a lot of carries. His average got jacked up by some big runs. When his carries increased his average went way down. Pollard’s average wouldn’t be near as high if he received over 200 carries per season. His big runs have jacked up his average. When he doesn’t have a big run his average isn’t near as high.

 

[KJJ]

Pollard has been awesome any way you slice it.

He has been awesome in the role he has but you’re getting carried away by looking at some statistics. I wouldn’t be comparing him to Barry Sanders and Jim Brown. Lol

 

[quickccc]

No its group effort IMHO that why staff meetings are held and they all sit in the room going over drafts and players to bring in in FA and what not.

Those staff meetings are based off the in depth evaluation reports the player personnel dept. presents to the coaches.
A meets up with B.