Pollard vs Kamara?

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[PJTHEDOORS]

Kamara is a top 5 RB in the NFL and Pollard is a backup

lol. Nah....

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

receiving ? I saw him drop an easy swing pass from Dak in the Miami game. Maybe not poor, but not strong either.

Then Cooper too is poor at recieving, he too dropped an easy catchable pass. Maybe not poor, but not strong either.

 

[Typhus]

Pollard couldn't do half of what Kamara can do

Granted Pollard is a rookie, and Kamara is 3 yr vet, so I wouldn't say Pollard couldn't match Kamaras ability or even surpass it..
who knows at this point, but I do like what Ive seen and how he fits this offense.
I would say our running game style is very similar to the Saints with Ingram running off tackle, and Kamara doing his thing in the reception perception game.
We just haven't had that style to match Zeke, or pair, complement even better.
Dunbar experiment was a feeble attempt to add that dimension to this offense, and I see a very high ceiling for young rook Pollard in this scheme.

 

[links18]

Which one is going to play defense?

 

[Point-of-the-Star]

Then Cooper too is poor at recieving, he too dropped an easy catchable pass. Maybe not poor, but not strong either.

Cooper has that rep of dropping passes.

He is a very good receiver too and I'm glad he's on our team

 

[Starforever]

It's ironic that Kamara is light years ahead of Pollard, but Pollard is just as good as Zeke in some Cowboy fans eyes.

 

[xwalker]

receiving ? I saw him drop an easy swing pass from Dak in the Miami game. Maybe not poor, but not strong either.

The stats have Pollard as 3 of 3 (100% catch rate) in the Miami game.

Pollard has a 100% catch rate for the season.

Play by Play of Cowboys Offense in the Miami Game:
First Quarter 9/22/2019
Dallas Cowboys at 13:20
1-10-DAL 37 (13:20) D.Prescott pass deep middle to A.Cooper pushed ob at MIA 26 for 37 yards (S.Parker). P1
1-10-MIA 26 (12:49) E.Elliott up the middle to MIA 23 for 3 yards (S.Eguavoen).
2-7-MIA 23 (12:19) D.Prescott pass short right to A.Cooper ran ob at MIA 18 for 5 yards.
3-2-MIA 18 (11:50) (Shotgun) E.Elliott left tackle to MIA 11 for 7 yards (T.Charlton; S.Parker). R2
1-10-MIA 11 (11:14) (Shotgun) E.Elliott up the middle to MIA 10 for 1 yard (C.Wilkins; A.Moss).
2-9-MIA 10 (10:40) (Shotgun) D.Prescott pass incomplete short right to D.Smith.
3-9-MIA 10 (10:35) (Shotgun) D.Prescott pass incomplete short middle to J.Witten (S.Parker) [C.Harris].
4-9-MIA 10 (10:31) (Field Goal formation) B.Maher 28 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-L.Ladouceur, Holder-C.Jones.

Dallas Cowboys at 9:23
1-10-DAL 46 (9:23) E.Elliott up the middle to MIA 49 for 5 yards (D.Godchaux).
2-5-MIA 49 (8:50) (Shotgun) D.Prescott pass incomplete deep middle to A.Cooper.
3-5-MIA 49 (8:45) (No Huddle, Shotgun) D.Prescott pass short left to D.Smith to MIA 43 for 6 yards (E.Rowe). P3
1-10-MIA 43 (8:16) (No Huddle) E.Elliott left end to MIA 31 for 12 yards (B.McCain).
PENALTY on DAL-T.Smith, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at MIA 43 - No Play.
1-20-DAL 47 (7:55) D.Prescott pass incomplete deep right to B.Jarwin.
2-20-DAL 47 (7:50) (Shotgun) D.Prescott pass incomplete deep left to C.Wilson. Pass incomplete on a "Go" Route.
3-20-DAL 47 (7:44) (Shotgun) D.Prescott pass deep right to J.Witten pushed ob at MIA 20 for 33 yards (S.Parker). P4
1-10-MIA 20 (7:17) (Shotgun) E.Elliott left tackle to MIA 7 for 13 yards (B.McCain). R5
1-7-MIA 7 (6:35) (Shotgun) E.Elliott left guard to MIA 5 for 2 yards (A.Moss).
2-5-MIA 5 (6:02) (Shotgun) D.Prescott pass short left to A.Cooper for 5 yards, TOUCHDOWN. P6
Penalty on MIA-X.Howard, Defensive Holding, declined.
B.Maher extra point is GOOD, Center-L.Ladouceur, Holder-C.Jones.

Dallas Cowboys at 0:53, (1st play from scrimmage 0:51)
1-10-DAL 25 51) E.Elliott left guard to DAL 30 for 5 yards (S.Eguavoen).
2-5-DAL 30 20) (Shotgun) D.Prescott pass short right to T.Pollard to DAL 38 for 8 yards (J.Wiltz). Pass complete on a "wheel" route. P7
END OF QUARTER
(15:00) (Shotgun) D.Prescott pass deep middle intended for R.Cobb INTERCEPTED by B.McCain at MIA 28. B.McCain to MIA 49 for 21 yards

Dallas Cowboys at 13:50
1-10-DAL 8 (13:50) E.Elliott right guard to DAL 12 for 4 yards (W.Aikens; V.Biegel).
2-6-DAL 12 (13:14) E.Elliott left tackle to DAL 16 for 4 yards (D.Godchaux).
3-2-DAL 16 (12:35) (Shotgun) D.Prescott pass short right to A.Cooper to DAL 20 for 4 yards (X.Howard). P8
1-10-DAL 20 (12:06) (No Huddle) D.Prescott pass incomplete short middle to D.Smith (B.McCain). Pass incomplete on a "deep post pattern."
2-10-DAL 20 (11:58) (Shotgun) E.Elliott right tackle to DAL 23 for 3 yards (S.Eguavoen).
3-7-DAL 23 (11:26) (Shotgun) D.Prescott pass short left to B.Jarwin to DAL 26 for 3 yards (J.Bademosi).
4-4-DAL 26 (10:47) (Punt formation) C.Jones punts 39 yards to MIA 35, Center-L.Ladouceur. J.Grant to MIA 36 for 1 yard (J.Thomas; J.March-Lillard).

Dallas Cowboys at 5:48
1-10-DAL 25 (5:48) D.Prescott pass short middle to T.Pollard to DAL 30 for 5 yards (J.Baker).
2-5-DAL 30 (5:19) T.Pollard up the middle to DAL 36 for 6 yards (J.Jenkins). R9
1-10-DAL 36 (4:36) T.Pollard right end to DAL 42 for 6 yards (S.Eguavoen).
2-4-DAL 42 (4:01) (Shotgun) D.Prescott pass short middle to R.Cobb to MIA 38 for 20 yards (S.Eguavoen).
PENALTY on DAL-J.Olawale, Illegal Shift, 5 yards, enforced at DAL 42 - No Play.
2-9-DAL 37 (3:34) (Shotgun) D.Prescott pass incomplete short right. (Dak threw this one out of bounds)
3-9-DAL 37 (3:27) (Shotgun) D.Prescott pass incomplete deep left to D.Smith.
4-9-DAL 37 (3:18) (Punt formation) C.Jones punts 46 yards to MIA 17, Center-L.Ladouceur, out of bounds.

Dallas Cowboys at 0:25
1-10-DAL 9 25) (Shotgun) E.Elliott up the middle to DAL 20 for 11 yards (T.Harris). R10
Timeout #1 by DAL at 00:19.
1-10-DAL 20 19) (Shotgun) E.Elliott left guard to DAL 34 for 14 yards (B.McCain; S.Eguavoen). R11
Timeout #2 by DAL at 00:13.
1-10-DAL 34 12) (Shotgun) D.Prescott pass incomplete short middle to R.Cobb.
2-10-DAL 34 08) (Shotgun) E.Elliott up the middle to DAL 48 for 14 yards (J.Bademosi). R12
Timeout #3 by DAL at 00:03.
1-10-DAL 48 03) (Shotgun) D.Prescott pass incomplete deep right (C.Lammons).
END OF HALF

Dallas Cowboys at 15:00
1-10-DAL 25 (15:00) T.Pollard left guard to DAL 26 for 1 yard (C.Wilkins).
2-9-DAL 26 (14:26) (Shotgun) D.Prescott pass deep left to R.Cobb for 74 yards, TOUCHDOWN NULLIFIED by Penalty [D.Godchaux].
Penalty on DAL-C.Williams, Offensive Holding, offsetting, enforced at DAL 26 - No Play.
Penalty on MIA-B.McCain, Face Mask (15 Yards), offsetting.
2-9-DAL 26 (14:14) (Shotgun) D.Prescott pass deep right to D.Smith to MIA 41 for 33 yards (J.Bademosi; C.Lammons) [T.Harris]. P13
1-10-MIA 41 (13:36) (No Huddle) D.Prescott pass short right to R.Cobb to MIA 21 for 20 yards (S.Eguavoen). P14
1-10-MIA 21 (13:08) (No Huddle, Shotgun) E.Elliott right guard to MIA 19 for 2 yards (D.Godchaux).
2-8-MIA 19 (12:33) (Shotgun) D.Prescott pass deep middle to A.Cooper for 19 yards, TOUCHDOWN. P15
B.Maher extra point is GOOD, Center-L.Ladouceur, Holder-C.Jones.

Dallas Cowboys at 8:58
1-10-DAL 24 (8:58) D.Prescott pass short right to J.Witten to DAL 32 for 8 yards (W.Aikens).
2-2-DAL 32 (8:32) (No Huddle) E.Elliott right end to 50 for 18 yards (S.Eguavoen).
PENALTY on DAL-L.Collins, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at DAL 32 - No Play.
2-12-DAL 22 (8:00) (Shotgun) D.Prescott pass short right to J.Witten to DAL 35 for 13 yards (W.Aikens). P16
1-10-DAL 35 (7:13) (No Huddle, Shotgun) D.Prescott pass short right to E.Elliott to DAL 37 for 2 yards (S.Eguavoen).
2-8-DAL 37 (6:36) (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Pollard right end to DAL 49 for 12 yards (C.Wilkins). R17
1-10-DAL 49 (5:52) (No Huddle) T.Pollard right tackle to MIA 49 for 2 yards (C.Wilkins).
2-8-MIA 49 (5:10) (No Huddle, Shotgun) D.Prescott pass short right to E.Elliott pushed ob at MIA 37 for 12 yards (B.McCain) [C.Harris]. P18
1-10-MIA 37 (4:26) (No Huddle, Shotgun) D.Prescott pass short left to A.Cooper pushed ob at MIA 19 for 18 yards (X.Howard). P19
1-10-MIA 19 (4:03) (No Huddle) E.Elliott up the middle to MIA 8 for 11 yards (W.Aikens). R20
1-8-MIA 8 (3:33) (No Huddle) D.Prescott right end for 8 yards, TOUCHDOWN. R21
B.Maher extra point is GOOD, Center-L.Ladouceur, Holder-C.Jones.

Dallas Cowboys at 1:51
1-10-DAL 20 (1:51) (Shotgun) T.Pollard left guard to DAL 22 for 2 yards (A.Moss).
2-8-DAL 22 (1:14) (No Huddle, Shotgun) D.Prescott sacked at DAL 17 for -5 yards (T.Charlton).
3-13-DAL 17 27) (Shotgun) D.Prescott pass short left to T.Pollard to DAL 29 for 12 yards (J.Baker).
END OF QUARTER
(15:00) (Punt formation) C.Jones punts 48 yards to MIA 23, Center-L.Ladouceur. J.Grant MUFFS catch, touched at MIA 23, ball out of bounds at

Dallas Cowboys at 12:39
1-10-DAL 15 (12:39) E.Elliott left tackle to DAL 33 for 18 yards (B.McCain; C.Lammons). R22
1-10-DAL 33 (12:04) E.Elliott right tackle to DAL 39 for 6 yards (C.Harris; D.Godchaux).
2-4-DAL 39 (11:23) (Shotgun) D.Prescott pass short left to R.Cobb to DAL 42 for 3 yards (C.Lammons).
3-1-DAL 42 (10:42) (No Huddle, Shotgun) E.Elliott left end pushed ob at DAL 44 for 2 yards (W.Aikens). R23
1-10-DAL 44 (10:04) T.Pollard left tackle to 50 for 6 yards (R.McMillan).
2-4-50 (9:24) T.Pollard left guard to MIA 22 for 28 yards (B.McCain). R24
1-10-MIA 22 (8:42) E.Elliott right guard to MIA 22 for no gain (J.Baker).
2-10-MIA 22 (8:10) D.Prescott pass incomplete short left to B.Jarwin.
PENALTY on DAL-D.Schultz, Unnecessary Roughness, 15 yards, enforced at MIA 22.
3-25-MIA 37 (8:04) (Shotgun) D.Prescott pass incomplete short middle to E.Elliott (J.Baker).
4-25-MIA 37 (7:59) (Field Goal formation) B.Maher 55 yard field goal is No Good, Hit Right Upright, Center-L.Ladouceur, Holder-C.Jones.

Dallas Cowboys at 5:27
1-10-DAL 40 (5:27) T.Pollard up the middle to DAL 46 for 6 yards (S.Eguavoen).
2-4-DAL 46 (4:51) T.Pollard right end to MIA 43 for 11 yards (R.McMillan). MIA-B.McCain was injured during the play. His return is Questionable. R25
1-10-MIA 43 (4:11) T.Pollard left tackle to MIA 42 for 1 yard (R.McMillan).
Timeout #1 by MIA at 04:05.
2-9-MIA 42 (4:04) T.Pollard left tackle to MIA 42 for no gain (R.McMillan).
PENALTY on MIA-T.Charlton, Defensive Offside, 5 yards, enforced at MIA 42 - No Play.
2-4-MIA 37 (4:00) T.Pollard up the middle to MIA 31 for 6 yards (C.Wilkins). R26
PENALTY on MIA-X.Howard, Unnecessary Roughness, 15 yards, enforced at MIA 31. Howard has been disqualified X27
1-10-MIA 16 (3:50) T.Pollard left end for 16 yards, TOUCHDOWN. R28
B.Maher extra point is GOOD, Center-L.Ladouceur, Holder-C.Jones.

Dallas Cowboys at 0:38
1-10-DAL 39 38) D.Prescott kneels to DAL 38 for -1 yards.
END OF GAME

 

[xwalker]

Cooper has that rep of dropping passes.

He is a very good receiver too and I'm glad he's on our team

Cooper's catch rate 76.2% this season.

Cooper's catch rate with the Cowboys was 70% last season.

The Career average for Dez was a 58% catch rate.

 

[xwalker]

Seriously. I love Pollard, but lets try to remain realistic.

Pollard couldn't do half of what Kamara can do

Roy, the post above was the 2nd post in this thread.

My point and the point of most people in this thread is that there is no proof that Pollard can't "do half of what Kamara can do".

By making comparisons, I was not saying that Pollard is definitely as good or better than Kamara.

I don't think anybody was saying that.

If people are going to post dumb statements like: "Pollard couldn't do half of what Kamara can do", then I'm going to post a rebuttal with some facts.


Then somebody always has to go to the extreme saying that comparing Pollard to Kamara is like comparing Gallup to Jerry Rice.

Kamara has been good but is far from establishing himself as an all time great player.

2018 Stats:
Rushing Yards
Zeke: 1434
Kamara: 883

Receiving:
Zeke: 77 or 95, 81% catch rate
Kamara: 81 or 105, 77% catch rate

Receiving Yards:
Zeke: 567, 6 yards/target
Kamara: 709, 6.8 yards/target

 

[Point-of-the-Star]

Cooper's catch rate 76.2% this season.

Cooper's catch rate with the Cowboys was 70% last season.

The Career average for Dez was a 58% catch rate.

Thanks Xman. Guess I'll chalk up to senility and I'll increase my meds. Can't be screwing up like that here. Some of y'all are too much on your game.

Never ever was a Dez fan. Thanks

 

[CowboyRoy]

Roy, the post above was the 2nd post in this thread.

My point and the point of most people in this thread is that there is no proof that Pollard can't "do half of what Kamara can do".

By making comparisons, I was not saying that Pollard is definitely as good or better than Kamara.

I don't think anybody was saying that.

If people are going to post dumb statements like: "Pollard couldn't do half of what Kamara can do", then I'm going to post a rebuttal with some facts.


Then somebody always has to go to the extreme saying that comparing Pollard to Kamara is like comparing Gallup to Jerry Rice.

Kamara has been good but is far from establishing himself as an all time great player.

2018 Stats:
Rushing Yards
Zeke: 1434
Kamara: 883

Receiving:
Zeke: 77 or 95, 81% catch rate
Kamara: 81 or 105, 77% catch rate

Receiving Yards:
Zeke: 567, 6 yards/target
Kamara: 709, 6.8 yards/target

IM a huge Pollard fan. And honestly, if he had the durability, I think he put up similar numbers to Zeke getting 20-25 touches a game.

My stance was thinking you were saying that Pollard could definitely do what Kamara does or better.

But make no mistake about Kamara, he is probably the most skilled RB in the NFL. He scores, makes huge plays. 18TD's last year was no joke.

He breaks tackles better than Zeke does. I don't think Pollard has that kind of tackle breaking ability or strength.

Vision and quickness and versatility, I am there. Not sure on the carry the load part. That much is unproven.

 

[xwalker]

IM a huge Pollard fan. And honestly, if he had the durability, I think he put up similar numbers to Zeke getting 20-25 touches a game.

My stance was thinking you were saying that Pollard could definitely do what Kamara does or better.

But make no mistake about Kamara, he is probably the most skilled RB in the NFL. He scores, makes huge plays. 18TD's last year was no joke.

He breaks tackles better than Zeke does. I don't think Pollard has that kind of tackle breaking ability or strength.

Vision and quickness and versatility, I am there. Not sure on the carry the load part. That much is unproven.

I wouldn't say that Kamara carries the load.

Kamara had 194 rushing attempts last season.

Zeke had 304 in the regular season and they held him out of game 16.

This year Kamara's rushing attempts are 76% of Zeke's rushing attempts.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I wouldn't say that Kamara carries the load.

Kamara had 194 rushing attempts last season.

Zeke had 304 in the regular season and they held him out of game 16.

This year Kamara's rushing attempts are 76% of Zeke's rushing attempts.

Give me a back that scores 18 TD's over a back that scores 9 TD's.

Zeke and Kamara are two different types of backs. Ill take Kamara all day, every day. Unless he proves he cannot handle all the work.

 

[xwalker]

Give me a back that scores 18 TD's over a back that scores 9 TD's.

Zeke and Kamara are two different types of backs. Ill take Kamara all day, every day. Unless he proves he cannot handle all the work.

See how many NFL fans would take Kamara over Zeke...

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Give me a back that scores 18 TD's over a back that scores 9 TD's.

Zeke and Kamara are two different types of backs. Ill take Kamara all day, every day. Unless he proves he cannot handle all the work.

Without a doubt

Kamara is at worst the 2nd best back in the league

I can't believe there are some using receiving stats to try and point out that Zeke isn't "that much worse" of a receiver than Kamara lmao.

I'd bring in the fact there's a 99% chance that a backup rookie can't do half of what the 1st or 2nd best back in the league can do.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Baloney, bro.

Kamara: 5'10, 215 lbs, 4.53 40 yd dash.

Pollard: 6'0", 210 lbs, 4.37 40 yd dash.

Tony is barely getting started. I bet by year's end, Pollard will be able to do not only as much as Kamara but more due to his bigger size and faster speed.

if only size and speed = Good Football player....remember Alexander? the WR in Dallas, ran a 4.29 and he was 6'3" didn't amount to much.

am I saying Pollard is not good...no, far from it...

tell me how good a football player he is...not how big and fast he is.....

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Give me a back that scores 18 TD's over a back that scores 9 TD's.

Zeke and Kamara are two different types of backs. Ill take Kamara all day, every day. Unless he proves he cannot handle all the work.

sorry, I take zeke at this point. it doesn't mean Kamara can't be a 300 carry back....but right now Zeke over Kamara

 

[Sarge]

Not even close.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Well, we get to see the starting RB in New Orleans this sunday that backup Tony Pollard has been compared to coming out of the NFL draft from Memphis State in Alvin Kamara.

Kamara started his impressively stellar career as a rookie behind Mark Ingram who seem to take on more the bell cow bulk and load of the running game while AK spelled him in spots and nickel situations and eventually became a bigger part the more splash plays he made his rookie year, ..soon teams were far more afraid of Kamara than Ingram.

and I’m trying not to go overboard but could Pollard actually have more explosiveness and miss ‘em elusiveness than even Zeke ?

And when do we get to see the level of Pollard’s receiving skills as a weapon in Kellen’s offense ?

I don't know if pollard is more explosive ND has more wiggle than Zeke.

I'm comfortable saying Zeke isn't very explosive and doesn't have a lot of wiggle.