Prescott's Drive

[Proximo]

I agree it is not a bad thing......but it is code for "not a real QB", or "can be handled by any QB" due to a great OL.

So much this. Thank you for calling this out.

The folks throwing around the "game manager" label are not throwing it around as a compliment. It's a slight.

And let me be clear- having the ABILITY to be a game manager when the situation calls for it is completely different than having an identity as a game manager.

The implication is that Dak can't succeed unless he's surrounded by a great cast, which is contrary to what his past tells us. And so far his play this year has showed us that if he needs to step up and make plays with his arm, he CAN. There's no doubting it. The fact that he can be a game manager when NEEDED is one of the main reasons we are 11-1.

Those claiming he's nothing MORE than a game manager are slighting him because they didn't think he was that good to start with and want to find a way to approach the topic with admitting they were wrong.

 

[T-RO]

4,000 yards sound nice until you realize it only puts him at best mid pack in the league. Or average. Or game managerish.

He sits right now 18th in yards per game. With a great OL and skill position players. Run that through your calculator and tell me what you think.

Good gawd dude you aren't even making your argument interesting.

We run the ball ball more than any team in the league, so yards per game isn't isn't a good measurement. You need to look at yards per pass attempt.

Prescott's yards per attempt is third in the league.

 

[Proximo]

Good gawd dude you aren't even making your argument interesting.

That's because it's not really an argument. It's a schtick. A character almost. He's not being genuine. He's trolling.

 

[zeroburrito]

why 103?

 

[T-RO]

Because of the society we live in today. Men have been emasculated. We're too concerned with safety and feelings these days. Nobody talked about Emmitt's well being and future then. They just rode the horse and were rewarded for it with the best career a RB has ever had. Now we have the same type of talent and we're busy assigning a series each half to a lesser player and all 3rd downs to a complete bum.

If you go down you go down swinging. You play your best hand. The Cowboys' best shot at winning is Ezekiel Elliott on the field and being the focal point of every game. Just like Emmitt Smith was.

Imagine doing this to Emmitt. Imagine taking Emmitt out on 3rd downs for Sherman Williams or Derrick Lassic. People would have thought you were nuts yet this crap is accepted with Zeke and Dunbar.

32 GMs think you are clueless as do I.

Zeke has 30 more carries than any running back in the league yet that's still not enough for you? Every team in the league utilizes some degree of running-back-by-committee. Get used to it.

You need to queue up Vince Lombardi football games because the league has evolved past you.

 

[zeroburrito]

4,000 yards sound nice until you realize it only puts him at best mid pack in the league. Or average. Or game managerish.

He sits right now 18th in yards per game. With a great OL and skill position players. Run that through your calculator and tell me what you think.

alex smith is a game manager. look at his yards. he was never close to 4000 yards.

even tony romo did not have 4000 yards during 2014 because of demarco murray.

are you saying romo was a game manager in 2014? in romos best seasons he had 4211, 4184, and 3705(his best ever) yards.

when your rb is very successful your yards and td's are going to be lower. the rb is cannibalizing stats.

 

[T-RO]

You can have the strongest arm in the world, doesn't matter. Your intellect does matter. All decisions are made in less than 4 to 5 seconds, and some are in 1 to 2 seconds. Your decision making has got to be world class to not turn the ball over. Under pressure, is where things really get iffy. For Dak not to turn the ball over the other day is insanely impressive. He was under pressure pretty much the entire game.

Hmmm...In fairness Clove I can't agree with that last line at all..

On the strip fumble Free got beat right off the snap but overall Dak had quite a bit of time. His other two sacks would definitely fall under the category "coverage sacks."

Dak actually had a lot of time and was taking it.

The Vikings secondary is the real deal. We didn't have guys coming open a lot.

 

[yimyammer]

Your continued slide into irrelevance is the cherry on top of 11-1 with that waste of roster space at QB.

and lunacy.......he was on a roll there for a while with his funny quips but lately he just sounds angry/nutty

 

[Risen Star]

32 GMs think you are clueless as do I.

Zeke has 30 more carries than any running back in the league yet that's still not enough for you? Every team in the league utilizes some degree of running-back-by-committee. Get used to it.

You need to queue up Vince Lombardi football games because the league has evolved past you.

1) Zeke's played an extra game than most.

2) Did that evolution of the game occur since 2014? Because Zeke Elliott is on pace for about 350 carries. Murray had nearly 400 that year.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

alex smith is a game manager. look at his yards. he was never close to 4000 yards.

even tony romo did not have 4000 yards during 2014 because of demarco murray.

are you saying romo was a game manager in 2014? in romos best seasons he had 4211, 4184, and 3705(his best ever) yards.

when your rb is very successful your yards and td's are going to be lower. the rb is cannibalizing stats.

Game managing has nothing to do with yards. Game managing is based on not turning the ball over, throwing only to wide open receivers, and running when all else fails. Alex Smith had been making a living at this for years. It doesn't mean that you can't chuck it downfield when you see your receiver in one on one. It doesn't mean you don't occasionally make a big play with your legs. It just means generally, you are playing to be careful and not make a mistake. It also generally means you aren't really all that great at throwing a football and would be in a lot of trouble if you had to sling it around like Drew Brees does with no running game.

 

[zeroburrito]

Game managing has nothing to do with yards. Game managing is based on not turning the ball over, throwing only to wide open receivers, and running when all else fails. Alex Smith had been making a living at this for years. It doesn't mean that you can't chuck it downfield when you see your receiver in one on one. It doesn't mean you don't occasionally make a big play with your legs. It just means generally, you are playing to be careful and not make a mistake. It also generally means you aren't really all that great at throwing a football and would be in a lot of trouble if you had to sling it around like Drew Brees does with no running game.

playing not to lose. usually you need a good defense to be a game manager since they don't usually win the games themselves.

obviously low yards does not mean game manager by itself. a bad qb could also have low yardage while not being a game manager at all.

being a game manager with our defense would be a death sentence. no way we would be 11-1. absolutely ridiculous to even think that he is.

 

[percyhoward]

So Dak is "more than a game manager" because he can complete a deep pass to Dez Bryant when no defender is within five yards of him?

The Cowboys' only successful long drive was one on which Elliott was effectively (and at times, literally) taken out of the game. Great catch by Dez on that one play, though.

 

[T-RO]

1) Zeke's played an extra game than most.

2) Did that evolution of the game occur since 2014? Because Zeke Elliott is on pace for about 350 carries. Murray had nearly 400 that year.

Zeke has been leading the league in carries all year long, and will be the most-utilized after Sunday's games.

It's widely believed that Murray faded in effectiveness late in 2014 do to over-use, and widely documented how poorly running backs play in a seasons following 400+carries.

This team has lost one game by one point. We are keeping Zeke healthy. I don't see what there is to criticize.

You are a bright guy RS, and can be one of the funniest posters here. But you are saddling yourself with a lot of losing arguments lately.

Stay a contrarian. Do a better job of it.

 

[Gameover]

and lunacy.......he was on a roll there for a while with his funny quips but lately he just sounds angry/nutty

His act doesn't work when the team is winning, so he's reduced to picking on a rookie. He would be much happier with a 6-6 record, then he could go on his JJ is an awful GM act.

 

[percyhoward]

why 103?

When the bar is set at 100, Carson Palmer's 2005 sneaks in with three games in the 100-102 range.

 

[JJHLH1]

Prescott is being asked to manage games and allow the real strengths win the game. This is good. He's a rookie. He shouldn't be expected to do more but that doesn't mean he's an MVP candidate. That's laughable nonsense coming from Cowboys fans and/or people who don't know the game.

Of course Dak should be the MVP. He's the leader of the best team in football. The Cowboys were 1-11 last year without Romo and are 11-1 this year with Dak.

Dak leads the league in Total QBR. More importantly he leads the league in Expected Points Added, a stat which is highly correlated with who wins MVP. Of course there are 4 games left and Dak has to continue his excellent play to win, but right now he is clearly the most deserving candidate.

http://www.espn.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/126836/why-dak-prescott-is-the-nfls-mvp

http://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr

 

[yimyammer]

then he could go on his JJ is an awful GM act.

Well, thats always in play considering its true (imho).

 

[MichaelWinicki]

What has Zeke done that is so special?

And I don't mean running thru mac truck size holes. Has he wowed anybody? Yeah He's hurdled a couple guys, but has done more than 'got what's there'?

His production seems to be treated as if he's reinventing the position, while Dak is viewed as 'anybody could do that with that talent'

Funny thing is, when Murray was plowing his way to an 1,800+ plus season, the general consensus was anybody could run behind that line. Even out of shape Barry Sanders(last I seen him) said he could get 40+ behind them. McFadden, who hadn't had 1,000 yard season in years, and most thought he was washed up when signed, would've had a 1,500 yard season behind this line.

Has everybody come down with amnesia?

Why is the perception that anybody can do what Dak is doing, when there is no history of any QB(other than Romo) winning with this team? But we have a history and a general opinion that any runner can produce behind this line, but somehow Zeke(season)is looked upon as more special than Dak.

I agree.

Zeke... And make no mistake, the kid is a talent. He's averaging 4.9 ypc but McFadden average 4.6 ypc last season and Murray 4.7 ypc the season before that.

Is he better than McFadden & Murray?

You bet!

But IMO opinion the amount of difference between Zeke and McFadden/Murray is much smaller than the difference between Dak and Cassell/Weeden.

Put Zeke on last year's Cowboys team and it would have less wins than if you put Dak on last year's Cowboy team IMO.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Good gawd dude you aren't even making your argument interesting.

We run the ball ball more than any team in the league, so yards per game isn't isn't a good measurement. You need to look at yards per pass attempt.

Prescott's yards per attempt is third in the league.

YPA and the number of picks is what makes Dak elite IMO.

 

[conner01]

I agree.

Zeke... And make no mistake, the kid is a talent. He's averaging 4.9 ypc but McFadden average 4.6 ypc last season and Murray 4.7 ypc the season before that.

Is he better than McFadden & Murray?

You bet!

But IMO opinion the amount of difference between Zeke and McFadden/Murray is much smaller than the difference between Dak and Cassell/Weeden.

Put Zeke on last year's Cowboys team and it would have less wins than if you put Dak on last year's Cowboy team IMO.

Couldn't agree more.zeke is a special back but. A qb is just more important to your offense and Dak has played well above expectation and should only get better with experience
Zeke was the right pick at 4 for this team but the biggest difference maker has been Dak