Prescott's Drive

[conner01]

To me a "game manager" is not a bad thing
To me it's actually an important part of being a qb

 

[Clove]

I agree the strip sack was not on Dak, he was looking left and the DE got there very fast, nothing he could have done differently. The other fumble appears to be on Dak though. The snap seems the same as always, but there was something wrong with Dak's hand placement. The ball hung because his hands were not open to take the ball, almost like he was not ready for the snap.

I'm guessing we're seeing two different things then. Never the less, these things happen through out the year, all the time. Why he's making it a big deal seems fishy to me.

 

[TwoDeep3]

My "hate" and "devotion" consists of me believing one is much better than the other and then having to defend that stance to a bunch of babies.

I too want him to suffer. I wish him a career of playing with that garbage around him.

Still wish we had him though.

I have to agree here. I wanted Wentz to be a Cowboy. I see him as a more mobile Troy Aikman. In sheer skill set, he has a stronger arm than Dak, and perhaps is more accurate. His interceptions are more attributed to the lack of talent the eagles have at wide receiver, and offensive line, as well as running back.

But allow me to be clear.

Dak Prescott isn't far behind Wentz in talent, and may be quite a few steps ahead in regard to composure, preparation, and execution.

 

[Proximo]

Can't believe posters still take the time to construct well thought out posts in response to Risen Star's shtick.

Guys, he's purposefully being a caricature. We knew he liked Wentz pre-draft and he absolutely trashed Prescott when we drafted him. Instead of admitting he was dead wrong, this is what we get. He's funny at least, which makes the act tolerable, so I'll give him that.

 

[Clove]

I have to agree here. I wanted Wentz to be a Cowboy. I see him as a more mobile Troy Aikman. In sheer skill set, he has a stronger arm than Dak, and perhaps is more accurate. His interceptions are more attributed to the lack of talent the eagles have at wide receiver, and offensive line, as well as running back.

But allow me to be clear.

Dak Prescott isn't far behind Wentz in talent, and may be quite a few steps ahead in regard to composure, preparation, and execution.

Wait, you're saying his INTs are based on the lack of receivers? I saw him over throw a guy by 10 yards on multiple occasions. I've yet to see that from Dak.

 

[Clove]

You can have the strongest arm in the world, doesn't matter. Your intellect does matter. All decisions are made in less than 4 to 5 seconds, and some are in 1 to 2 seconds. Your decision making has got to be world class to not turn the ball over. Under pressure, is where things really get iffy. For Dak not to turn the ball over the other day is insanely impressive. He was under pressure pretty much the entire game.

 

[jobberone]

Check this out. Rayne's not a game manager because in the midst of his 139 yards passing he had a good drive.

Right. A rookie won a game in which he was forced to win the game for the first time this year one dimensionally. He didn't play well, just well enough.

We all recognize the fact he didn't hit the slants and digs. He didn't get help soon enough in stopping those safeties trailing the running plays and I don't think enough screens and bubbles were called although the bubbles called didn't work. They didn't react quickly enough to that double A gap blitz either.

Tough test but he still passed it.

Give it a rest.

 

[Gameover]

Just because he's a game manager doesn't mean you can't win. What if the Cowboys continue to replenish the strength of this team with good players? They could go on to contend every year with this same formula and a QB who can effectively manage the game.

This isn't meant to criticize what he's done. He's been obscenely effective in his role this year. He just absolutely is in a very advantageous situation that makes him look better than he truly is.

He's the MVP only if the award is Most Valuable Prescott. And even then I'd be searching through practice squads before announcing the winner.

This from the guy who said we weren't a top 10 team.

This guy wouldn't know talent even if the talent No Vaseline'd him!

He says we can continue to win if we continue to replenish the talent: That can be said about every successful QB in the history of this league. Talent drops around them, the winning will drop also. See Aaron Rodgers and the guy in Indy.

Name me a QB who thrived with depleted talent. You can't. They're only as good as the people around them allow them to be. Every last one of them.

Thanks for letting us know the player he is at game 12 of his career, will make no progress and he'll be the same player at game 112 of his career. All of Daks critics are guilty of this.

Did Dak land in great situation? Bet your *** he did! But so did Joe Montana, Troy Aikman, Terry Bradshaw, and the vastly overrated Tom Brady amongst many others. Tony Romo

A guy like Rivers... not so much

 

[JD_KaPow]

I'm guessing we're seeing two different things then. Never the less, these things happen through out the year, all the time. Why he's making it a big deal seems fishy to me.

I didn't make it a big deal. My original post was simply about how passer rating misses a bunch of things including fumbles, and that "108 passer rating" without context gives a misleading view of Dak's night. I even pointed out that blame is largely irrelevant to this point because passer rating counts all INTs equally, whether or not the QB was to blame for them, while ignoring all fumbles. I brought up the fumbles as a few among many examples. I also brought up his rushing as a positive thing that passer rating misses. You're the one who took it as some sort of subtweeted trashing of Dak and call to put Romo in.

 

[DallasDW00ds0n]

But Dak didnt have 500 yards, 5 TDs!!

 

[TwoDeep3]

Wait, you're saying his INTs are based on the lack of receivers? I saw him over throw a guy by 10 yards on multiple occasions. I've yet to see that from Dak.

Did you read the rest of the sentence, because it appears you didn't.

 

[MagicMan]

To me a "game manager" is not a bad thing
To me it's actually an important part of being a qb

I agree it is not a bad thing......but it is code for "not a real QB", or "can be handled by any QB" due to a great OL. This is supposed to justify why he is having the season he is having as a ROOKIE. They can't believe he is able to do this. Outplaying higher rated rookies and even all pro veteran QBs.

That's why I get pissed when Dak is not even considered for MVP because of these references, but then players like Brady, Carr or even Ryan are considered and they have very good OL. No one does it on their own. It is a team game. He actually should be running away with the NFL MVP at this point. With Zeke a close second.

Either way, I am so glad we have finally found our QB, RB and team identity. Now we just have to build on that defense and we are set for a great decade.

 

[drawandstrike]

The whole point Percy was making in the OP was that we only moved the ball when Elliott was on the sidelines.

The Vikings made the mistake of keying so much on Elliott, when he was out of the game we used our OTHER weapons to drive for the score. Dez, Beasley, Dak with his legs, etc.

 

[Kaiser]

The whole point Percy was making in the OP was that we only moved the ball when Elliott was on the sidelines.

But its statistical window dressing around a flawed conclusion. We did move the ball in that drive and it was all on one play. And the reason for that one play was the DB blew his coverage.

If the same play had been Dunbar running through a huge hole with the Safety falling down before he could make the tackle, that could have been a 53 yard gain with the exact same outcome. But it would still be just as much about the Vikings defense on the play than Cowboy players.

 

[Kaiser]

I agree with all of that, but this drive is why I agree with the highlighted part.

So Dak is "more than a game manager" because he can complete a deep pass to Dez Bryant when no defender is within five yards of him?

By that definition, every QB in the NFL is more than a game manager, along with 90% of the QB starting in Division I college, plus a non-trivial number of High Schoolers.

 

[bayeslife]

This brings out the weaknesses in passer rating, and why one stat never tells the whole story. As you note, it doesn't include rushing. But it also doesn't iinclude sacks: he took 3 on about 25 dropbacks, which is a lot. It also doesn't include the two fumbles (one lost). If the lost fumble were an INT, his passer rating would plummet. (And no, I don't accept the argument that the fumble "wasn't his fault." First, he was holding the ball a long time all night, creating risk. Second, plenty of INTs "aren't the QBs fault," but they end up in the passer rating anyway.

It also doesn't account for the fact that Dak threw for the fewest yards of any QB facing the Vikings. Oh wait, that's not right: he threw for the second-fewest, after Wentz. And he didn't throw so little because we were being so efficient or running so effectively. He threw so little because we weren't converting 3rd downs. Dallas called passing plays 7 times on 3rd down in the game. We converted one of them, on a very good Dak scramble. On an 8th 3rd down, he fumbled the snap.

When you throw only 18 passes, one play can have an outsized influence on the passer rating stat. In this case, Dak's 108 was built on one play, the long pass to Dez. Passer rating is a useful stat over a large sample; not so much when there are so few passes to work with.

I'm not trying to discount the performance. I thought Dak did admirably in really adverse conditions. But when you talk about a "108 passer rating," you get a vision in your head of a certain type of performance, and this simply wasn't it. We don't need to pretend that Dak was spectacular on Thursday to believe (correctly) that he's amazing overall.

How many times did he convert on 3rd but get it called back by a penalty? At least 3 or 4 times.

 

[Kaiser]

Sorry. Dak was, is and always will be perfect, until the moment he's bodily assumed into heaven. And anyone who suggests that he's human clearly hates him. Got it.

I still don't get that dynamic on this board. Dak is special and having the best season a rookie QB has ever had, ever, in NFL history.

And he isn't perfect. I don't understand why some people think both things can't be true simultaneously.

 

[Ken]

Yeah, I do wish he was more like Wentz, who had so many great drives on the way to 138 yards passing against the Vikings.
Like that first drive...oh wait, that was a 3-and-out. Okay, the second drive, where he...threw an interception. Or the third drive, where he...fumbled the ball away. Maybe the fourth drive, where he...threw an interception.

To be fair, Wentz also led a TD drive, and he only fumbled twice on that drive, so good for him!

Don't forget he was at home..it would have been much worse at Minny.

 

[Gameover]

What has Zeke done that is so special?

And I don't mean running thru mac truck size holes. Has he wowed anybody? Yeah He's hurdled a couple guys, but has done more than 'got what's there'?

His production seems to be treated as if he's reinventing the position, while Dak is viewed as 'anybody could do that with that talent'

Funny thing is, when Murray was plowing his way to an 1,800+ plus season, the general consensus was anybody could run behind that line. Even out of shape Barry Sanders(last I seen him) said he could get 40+ behind them. McFadden, who hadn't had 1,000 yard season in years, and most thought he was washed up when signed, would've had a 1,500 yard season behind this line.

Has everybody come down with amnesia?

Why is the perception that anybody can do what Dak is doing, when there is no history of any QB(other than Romo) winning with this team? But we have a history and a general opinion that any runner can produce behind this line, but somehow Zeke(season)is looked upon as more special than Dak.

 

[T-RO]

Your continued slide into irrelevance is the cherry on top of 11-1 with that waste of roster space at QB.

I usually appreciate some contrarian views and respect some non-homer posts. But Risen just isn't bringing it. No substance.