Prescott's worst game since his return?

[DandyDon1722]

How about against the 9-2 Vikings? Why do you haters ignore all the good plays and focus just on the few bad ones?

Although I love Captain Picard, he would know I’m not a hater.

However - Nothing the team, the QB or the coaching staff have ever done proves to me they can win the playoffs.

I hope I’m wrong.

BTW - please don’t disappear again if we don’t.

 

[Rockport]

Although I love Captain Picard, he would know I’m not a hater.

However - Nothing the team, the QB or the coaching staff have ever done proves to me they can win the playoffs.

I hope I’m wrong.

BTW - please don’t disappear again if we don’t.

Trust me, I will. Not going to subject myself to all the losers gloating over a Cowboys failure. I’ll leave that to the losers to deal with.

 

[BAT]

They say yes. 5:15 mark of the video

 

[RonnieT24]

I love your insight, your takes, your loyalty. But...you need pressed to truly criticize cowboys players.

I dig that though. I mean it. Your first instinct is to support and cheer on your team. Find the positives.

But Dak's "mechanics".....I don't think ARE equal to/among the best. It's been a criticism since before draft day.

Nope.. never said his mechanics are equal to/among the best. I said his results are. In the end that's what matters. I don't care that it looks awkward or different at times. I care that the passes he throws are completed at the same rate (or better) for the same yards (or better) per attempt and TDs as people he is often adjudged to be inferior to. Because "the eye test." Man to hell with the eye test. If your eyes can't tell you that the offense is scoring 40 points a game since he came back then you need new eyes.

"reading defenses"....and understanding coverages EVEN when it's a "timing route".....I think is suspect.

If all these things are "suspect" as you say then why does he have one of the highest completion percentages of all time.. and and one of the highest TD/INT ratios of all time adding up to one of the highest passer ratings of all time? How is he outperforming all these all time greats while apparently sucking at these basic components of the job? Must be the great coaching he's received in his career right? All hail the great tutelage of Jason Garrett and Kellen Moore for taking such a horribly flawed QB and turning him into such an efficient passer.

Does that look as ridiculous to you when you read it as it did when I typed it?

Game after game the TV folks are nice enough to provide us with replays showing Dak working through his progressions and getting to his third and fourth receiver.. If he's not reading the defense there what exactly IS he doing? We all watch him orchestrating the offense at the line getting the team into the best possible play as they go no huddle. If indeed he is "suspect" at this why is the offense scoring 40 points a game? Pure dumb luck?

It's evil...to me...when people scream "you said you wanted timing routes and now you get the interceptions.....so YOU wanted this". Well "we" want ADPET timing routes.

So then would you agree that all those QBs who are apparently MORE adept at timing routes yet throw more interceptions than Dak and complete a lower percentage of their passes are ______? I'll let you fill in whatever word you want there.

I think you get that when you get good...the criticism should OF COURSE get tighter. When I play in my band...we're pretty loose and tolerant at first....but as you rehearse the song, and get better....you get more critical. And THAT...is how you get better.

I don't think Dak should take any "next step". Just stay even, stay in your lane. Don;t be some sort of hero or do things you can;t...when you have a WHOLE TEAM ready to go into the fire.

The band has to trust the others, the band has to know their capabilities. Restraint is often the very best policy. The most fun. The most successful.

The next step isn't about anything except being willing to do whatever it takes to win and knowing when to do it. Nothing more, nothing less. It's not more passing or more running .. It's more will to win. It's about non-acceptance of losing. It's about dragging the team out its doldrums instead of joining them there. Sometimes this team just needs Dak to take off and get 4 yards and run somebody over to light a fire under it. Get a first down instead of taking some 30 yard heave downfield on third down and punting. THAT is the next step I'm talking about. Stay patient.. quit trying to score in two plays... Move the ball down the field. Tell Moore to shove it if he sends in the double reverse on the goal line or that idiotic 5 wide formation he so loves down there scream "Kellen I'm not doing that I'm handing it to Zeke/TP" into the mic.

That's the next step I'm talking about. Take control and ownership of the offense.. and really the game. Play to the defense .. run the ball.. Be available to take a shot when called upon.. but with what he has supporting him there is rarely going to be a need to. He and Moore need to learn that.. That's when this team will be able to go really deep into the playoffs.. maybe even you know where. The talent is there top to bottom.. It just needs to be steered.. and Dak is the one in the driver seat.

 

[RonnieT24]

I would agree to an extent on the mechanics except to say under pressure, in cold weather, on the road against good defenses…everything counts and just like in golf - under pressure you will always revert back to old habits.

Hey honestly… I hope he proves me wrong.

First of all constant pressure is every QB's Kryptonite. Why do you think pass rushers make so much money and the guys whose job it is to block them make even more? We've seen pressure bring Brady to his knees multiple times, Mahomes to his knees.. Rodgers to his knees.. really any QB who has ever lived has had a hard time when being knocked around. Hell I remember the Rams front four bludgeoning Roger Staubach into retirement. and before that I watched the Steel Curtain sack him like 9 times. As I always say, the QB has not been born who can beat you from flat on his back. If the other team can get constant pressure without blitzing there are not a whole of QBs who can thrive throwing to 3 receivers against 7 in coverage. In fact there really aren't any so that's a spurious criticism at best.
The great thing about Dak is he throws it on the run about as well as anybody I've ever seen. When our line starts getting beat Moore needs to see it and start moving the pocket and letting throw on the move. That gives the added benefit of allowing him to take off and get an easy 4-5 yards and slide when it presents itself too. It just puts the pressure back on the defense.. which is always better for you. Make them choose.. come after Dak and let him drop it into one of the tight ends or the backs or lay back and let him run for easy yards.

Cold weather? This whole team generally struggles in cold weather. Always has.. It's a southern team that trains indoors and plays in a dome. They are not well adapted to cold weather.. But Dak has had some pretty memorable games at Philly and at the Giants when it was near or below freezing. Thing is, if you look at Dak's poor cold/crappy weather games, generally the other QB hasn't exactly lit it up either. Wind and freezing rain don't play no favorites.

 

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[JD_KaPow]

Agree. He’s mechanically not sound and has the worst 3rd down pass rating of any QB in the league

I'm sorry, what? We're just making up fake stats now?

Starting QBs with worse 3rd down passer ratings this year than Dak: Jackson, Mariota, Jones, Fields, Pickett, Heinicke, Z. Wilson, Mills, Mayfield, Cooper Rush. Yes, Dak's rating isn't great, mostly because of that week 1 abortion, but it's not at all the worst in the league.

If we look at week 2 through the present, he has the 11th-best 3rd-down passer rating in the league.

 

[Ranching]

He did have a couple of really bad throws.

So do most QBs

 

[ConstantReboot]

Again, the other offensive players overcome Dak’s shortcomings. Ceedee and Gallup are rising, Pollard doing what he does best. Those 3 alone hold up Dak and his puny attempts to be an “elite” QB. Dak throws interceptions like he’s Nathan Peterman and has cold starts every game. Ridiculous and tiring.

What are his short comings? Yeah he threw and INT. But other than that he played pretty well. People here needs to get off the Dak hate train. It's lowering the standard of this place immensely.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Let's just change this thread to the HATE DAK thread....

 

[Fizziksman]

I just love how Prescott is the only QB judged throw by throw.

 

[DanA]

Dak threw:

• A dime to Gallup for the TD
• Shultz open in the RedZone up the middle (PD)
• Gallup a TD in stride scrambling outside the pocket
• Completely missed Ceedee on a curl route
• Two bad balls to Gallup one picked by Gilmore, the other bouncing off Gilmores chest.

Overall he’s clearly been good but the delta is too big (even within a single game) and I’m not sure he needs to take some of the risks he is (particularly in the 1st quarter when he’s feeling the opposition out).

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Dak has been incredibly lucky with some of his errant passes. He could easily have another 3-5 picks over the past couple of games alone.

That’s every quarterback in the league.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I just love how Prescott is the only QB judged throw by throw.

It’s really amazing. Every single throw has to be in the numbers or in stride.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

I just love how Prescott is the only QB judged throw by throw.

Making up lies.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Nope.. never said his mechanics are equal to/among the best. I said his results are. In the end that's what matters. I don't care that it looks awkward or different at times. I care that the passes he throws are completed at the same rate (or better) for the same yards (or better) per attempt and TDs as people he is often adjudged to be inferior to. Because "the eye test." Man to hell with the eye test. If your eyes can't tell you that the offense is scoring 40 points a game since he came back then you need new eyes.



If all these things are "suspect" as you say then why does he have one of the highest completion percentages of all time.. and and one of the highest TD/INT ratios of all time adding up to one of the highest passer ratings of all time? How is he outperforming all these all time greats while apparently sucking at these basic components of the job? Must be the great coaching he's received in his career right? All hail the great tutelage of Jason Garrett and Kellen Moore for taking such a horribly flawed QB and turning him into such an efficient passer.

Does that look as ridiculous to you when you read it as it did when I typed it?

Game after game the TV folks are nice enough to provide us with replays showing Dak working through his progressions and getting to his third and fourth receiver.. If he's not reading the defense there what exactly IS he doing? We all watch him orchestrating the offense at the line getting the team into the best possible play as they go no huddle. If indeed he is "suspect" at this why is the offense scoring 40 points a game? Pure dumb luck?





So then would you agree that all those QBs who are apparently MORE adept at timing routes yet throw more interceptions than Dak and complete a lower percentage of their passes are ______? I'll let you fill in whatever word you want there.




The next step isn't about anything except being willing to do whatever it takes to win and knowing when to do it. Nothing more, nothing less. It's not more passing or more running .. It's more will to win. It's about non-acceptance of losing. It's about dragging the team out its doldrums instead of joining them there. Sometimes this team just needs Dak to take off and get 4 yards and run somebody over to light a fire under it. Get a first down instead of taking some 30 yard heave downfield on third down and punting. THAT is the next step I'm talking about. Stay patient.. quit trying to score in two plays... Move the ball down the field. Tell Moore to shove it if he sends in the double reverse on the goal line or that idiotic 5 wide formation he so loves down there scream "Kellen I'm not doing that I'm handing it to Zeke/TP" into the mic.

That's the next step I'm talking about. Take control and ownership of the offense.. and really the game. Play to the defense .. run the ball.. Be available to take a shot when called upon.. but with what he has supporting him there is rarely going to be a need to. He and Moore need to learn that.. That's when this team will be able to go really deep into the playoffs.. maybe even you know where. The talent is there top to bottom.. It just needs to be steered.. and Dak is the one in the driver seat.

I can't respond to each and every word you are saying here, it's just too scattered. Going overboard on some big rant based on (IMHO) some VERY minor observations.....is silly. I'll just leave it at that...except one thing:

"If indeed he is "suspect" at this why is the offense scoring 40 points a game? Pure dumb luck?"

There are MANY reasons for that. Dak being good is just one of them.

By the way.... "suspect" doesn't mean he sucks at it. People are so freagin sensitive jeeseus.

 

[Biag]

It was just another example of the less that Dak does the better we do overall.

Anytime he throws to a receiver out of screen it's scary.

My butt puckers anytime its a deep crossing pattern.

 

[RonnieT24]

It’s really amazing. Every single throw has to be in the numbers or in stride.

I would encourage people to go look up the bad throw statistics for their favorite QBs and then look at Dak's. If you find one whose number is significantly lower than Dak's .. say by 4-5 per game post it here. According to pro-football-reference he has had 40 this season. So between 5 and 6 per game. And I guarantee you half of those happened in the Bucs game and his first game back against the Lions. I encourage people to go look up other QBs and compare. Maybe quit being blinded by your own narratives and biases and look at the facts. People who support Dak say pretty much every QB not named Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers has 4-5 bad throws every game. People who hate him claim he throws 15-20 bad throws a game. Who's right here? I won't do it for you.. Go look it up yourself and come back when you find all these QBs who never throw a bad pass or even just throw 2 or fewer per game and then we can talk.

I have a whole bag o Snickers here.. so I can wait..

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

I just love how Prescott is the only QB judged throw by throw.

Should we, on a Cowboys message board, talk about other QBs like we do Dak?

You are on a Dallas Cowboys message board. I suggest going to another team's forum. You'll not see any Dak talk there, you know why? Because Dak plays for the DALLAS COWBOYS.

I'll never understand why people, on a Cowboys message board, can't understand why Cowboys players get talked about so much.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

I would encourage people to go look up the bad throw statistics for their favorite QBs and then look at Dak's. If you find one whose number is significantly lower than Dak's .. say by 4-5 per game post it here. According to pro-football-reference he has had 40 this season. So between 5 and 6 per game. And I guarantee you half of those happened in the Bucs game and his first game back against the Lions. I encourage people to go look up other QBs and compare. Maybe quit being blinded by your own narratives and biases and look at the facts. People who support Dak say pretty much every QB not named Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers has 4-5 bad throws every game. People who hate him claim he throws 15-20 bad throws a game. Who's right here? I won't do it for you.. Go look it up yourself and come back when you find all these QBs who never throw a bad pass or even just throw 2 or fewer per game and then we can talk.

I have a whole bag o Snickers here.. so I can wait..

Ronnie,

Why have I not seen a single thread from you highlighting any of Dak's bad throws like you did with Cooper Rush on a completed 4th down pass for a first down that wasn't perfect? You literally created an entire thread based around a 4th down completed pass from Rush because it wasn't a perfect throw.

Why aren't you fair?