QB's (not named Brady) who played in the last 17 Super-Bowls & Draft Positions

[TwistedL0g1k]

If a team has a half decent QB that gives them a good chance (think Romo or Dak), then the temptation is to always do everything to help the team win now.

Take the most recent draft. Dallas could have used a 3rd or 4th rounder for a QB that would ride the bench, or draft Overshown and Fehoko, who can contribute now. This is viewed as the correct decision for this season.

The problem is that logic can always be applied, as long as there is a good starter in place. And JJ has acted accordingly.

The result is a multi-decade period with almost no draft capital devoted to the most important position in football. And that's a mistake!

 

[Diehardblues]

Romo>>Eli

don't want to hijack the thread (and you and I mostly agree on this stuff) but come on my man

On a per game basis, Romo was better than Eli "statistically" in every way.

• Passer rating (Romo WAY better)
• Playoff Passer rating
• QBR
• turnover ratio
• TD ratio
• YPA (WAY better)

The cumulative stats (due to playing twice as many games) is where Eli comes out on top.

And that’s what I’m basing my opinion on . His career stats . And that’s what the HOF will also base their voting on coupled with the 2 Rings .

Staying healthy for 16 years is quite an achievement and enabled him to be in Top 10 in NFL history in those categories .

If Romo had stayed healthy he probably could have surpassed . But he didn’t . For a few years Romo was definitely better . Romo only played like 7 full seasons.

 

[Cowboys5217]

It’s definitely a long shot on Dak being a 4th rounder leading us to a SB. The better odds are an Elite defense leading us to a SB.

But anyone saying Dak will “ never” make it to a SB is just trolling. No one has a crystal ball. Lesser QB’s than Dak have been carried by Elite defenses to a SB.

No crystal ball is needed. Dak has shown us who he is. There comes a point when you come to know that a QB just isn't going to achieve a Super Bowl. Here's an example: I knew Romo would never play in much less win a Super Bowl when he made his"I'll have lived a pretty good life" cop out. Up to that point I still thought he could do it despite all the choke jobs, but once he made that statement I knew immediately that he would never be a championship QB because he lacked the correct mentality for it.

With Dak it's just a matter of the last two 49ers games. That's it. That's all I need to know.

 

[Diehardblues]

No crystal ball is needed. Dak has shown us who he is. There comes a point when you come to know that a QB just isn't going to achieve a Super Bowl. Here's an example: I knew Romo would never play in much less win a Super Bowl when he made his"I'll have lived a pretty good life" cop out. Up to that point I still thought he could do it despite all the choke jobs, but once he made that statement I knew immediately that he would never be a championship QB because he lacked the correct mentality for it.

With Dak it's just a matter of the last two 49ers games. That's it. That's all I need to know.

No, you didn’t know. No one does. You may have thought you knew because of the prior results . And we can draw some hypotheses and analysis based on recent trends and history.

No doubt the odds are against him but it’s never over until it’s officially over . That’s the only way normal people used the word never . Otherwise it’s just a matter of using it in a vitriol or trolling type manner.

 

[blueblood70]

WHY?!? There is an undrafted guy there that went to two and won one and was the MVP...

Plus I'd take Dak over Grossman, Flacco, and Kaepernick all played in a SB

Kurt warner?

I agree plus over Garoppolo and Foles as well as I also believe that Prescott's at least as good if not slightly better than eli manning...

 

[DFWJC]

And that’s what I’m basing my opinion on . His career stats . And that’s what the HOF will also base their voting on coupled with the 2 Rings .

Staying healthy for 16 years is quite an achievement and enabled him to be in Top 10 in NFL history in those categories .

If Romo had stayed healthy he probably could have surpassed . But he didn’t . For a few years Romo was definitely better . Romo only played like 7 full seasons.

If you're saying Eli has a better chance at getting into the HOF, then I agree 100%
Romo probably has no chance
Eli very well might get in with those two rings even though he was a slightly better than mediocre QB who played a long time.
If Romo played 7 full seasons (which sounds about right), then he was a better player than than Eli in all 7 seasons, imo.
I doubt Eli was ever once in his entire career in the top 5 in QB rating...not in any season...not even once.

But yeah, he very well could be HOF bound

 

[DandyDon52]

Dak could make it to a SB if his team around him is great and play great in playoffs.
His coaches also have to coach great, the defense has to be great.
And that gets him to a SB, then it depends on what afc team they get and how good that team is .

 

[TwistedL0g1k]

Dak could make it to a SB if his team around him is great and play great in playoffs.
His coaches also have to coach great, the defense has to be great.
And that gets him to a SB, then it depends on what afc team they get and how good that team is .

This is true. With a little luck and a healthy Pollard, it might have even happened last season- even though the 49ers, Eagles, and Chiefs were all better teams.

Dallas has an even better shot this season too. Dak could take the team to a Super-Bowl, but my guess is he won't.

 

[DandyDon52]

If you're saying Eli has a better chance at getting into the HOF, then I agree 100%
Romo probably has no chance
Eli very well might get in with those two rings even though he was a slightly better than mediocre QB who played a long time.
If Romo played 7 full seasons (which sounds about right), then he was a better player than than Eli in all 7 seasons, imo.
I doubt Eli was ever once in his entire career in the top 5 in QB rating...not in any season...not even once.

But yeah, he very well could be HOF bound

Eli played great during his 2 SB runs. Most qb's are not great all the time.
The key is to do it in a playoff/SB run.
Eli had vg coaches, defense ,and offense to help.

Eli was one of the few qb's to have to play in the WC round and still win the SB.
Playing in the WC round lessens the chances of a SB win dramatically.
Eli did it once, so have to give him credit for that, and I am not sure about 2011 run.

Troy , Jimmy saw this to be true, and is why they strived to avoid the WC route and be top 2 seed.
I think they were top seed in both 92,93 only 2 games and both at home.

 

[blueblood70]

No crystal ball is needed. Dak has shown us who he is. There comes a point when you come to know that a QB just isn't going to achieve a Super Bowl. Here's an example: I knew Romo would never play in much less win a Super Bowl when he made his"I'll have lived a pretty good life" cop out. Up to that point I still thought he could do it despite all the choke jobs, but once he made that statement I knew immediately that he would never be a championship QB because he lacked the correct mentality for it.

With Dak it's just a matter of the last two 49ers games. That's it. That's all I need to know.

You mean the first 49er game where they offense had no run game the offensive line played like crap they literally had 11 penalties just on the offensive line you don't think that affected the offense I mean where was the play calling the run game the offensive line and the three pity big critical defensive penalties and the fact that in that first half the defense may have looked like they were playing well they were giving up almost 10 yards per carry to deebo Samuels once again those are three other factors we lost that game and yet oh all I need to see is well that's how Prescott lost to the 49ers really Prescott himself of the 53 man roster was the only one who didn't elevate his game and overcome team deficiencies?

And then we can go to last year which he didn't play well at all CD lamb played well oh but Prescott was throwing him the football and he seemed to be able to catch it yeah Michael Gallup doesn't run the correct route he made a bad read he stopped got pushed off his route by the defender the defender finishes the route better than Gallup and goes and intercepts the football sure that's all on Prescott because you don't like him shall I add in the fact that on the next to last drive the two mental mistakes that cost us that drive was on Dalton Schultz also the two plays that diggs didn't make on defense and that OneDrive they gave up a lot of runs and I get it they may have been tired maybe they've been out on the field too long

and lastly once again for the third straight playoff loss there was no run game the offensive line did not play well the play calls were crap just like there was only 16 run plays called against the 49ers this last game 16 they were at 3 yards per carry which weren't even good but in the second-half they're at 2 yards per carry didn't even try to use Malik Davis that's all on Prescott??

Seriously show me a game where Roger Staubach or Troy Aikman had to win a game like that where they didn't have Emmett Smith Tony Dorsett Tom Landry Jimmy Johnson and a whole bunch of Hall of Fame players around them making plays when it counted?? It's rhetorical but I show me a game where Troy Aikman wasn't just a bus driver because that's what he was most games because he sat back and watched Emmett Smith and that ridiculously great offensive line run the ball down players throats then play great defense and then have a Hall of Fame coaching staff call plays at the correct time to counter anything the other team was doing right when it was needed... So sure that's all you need to see that's not all real non common fans need to see we watched the whole game we break down every play we watch all the mistakes being made buy the team that's capital TE AM!

 

[blueblood70]

This is true. With a little luck and a healthy Pollard, it might have even happened last season- even though the 49ers, Eagles, and Chiefs were all better teams.

Dallas has an even better shot this season too. Dak could take the team to a Super-Bowl, but my guess is he won't.

Could have easily taken them to the Super bowl and his rookie year you know he was the offensive rookie of the year 13 games won 11 games in a row, played very good in the playoff game and lost because of the defense second round of the Rams game in 2018 you're trying to tell me the defense played well they gave up 276 yards and then the offense had no run game it's really easy to defend a team when you make them one-dimensional and your defense is just giving up plays at the wrong time.. So I know we're just sticking to recent history bye thinking about last year which we know Prescott didn't play well but there were some problems on the offensive line the run game and any skill player outside of CD Lam not like Prescott had support like Troy Aikman and Roger Staubach gets. So the whole we could have got to a Super Bowl would have been in past tense not what you're talking about in the future they had that shot especially in 2016 but in 2018 if the defense would have stepped up in either one of those years we would have moved to the next round easily..

 

[DFWJC]

Eli played great during his 2 SB runs. Most qb's are not great all the time.
The key is to do it in a playoff/SB run.
Eli had vg coaches, defense ,and offense to help.

Eli was one of the few qb's to have to play in the WC round and still win the SB.
Playing in the WC round lessens the chances of a SB win dramatically.
Eli did it once, so have to give him credit for that, and I am not sure about 2011 run.

Troy , Jimmy saw this to be true, and is why they strived to avoid the WC route and be top 2 seed.
I think they were top seed in both 92,93 only 2 games and both at home.

Yeah, Eli never had a great season his entire very long 16 year career, but he DID have 2 very good playoff runs in those 16 years
No taking that away from him
Combine that with a long career--which leads to high cumulative stats--and he very well might get to the HOF

 

[Diehardblues]

If you're saying Eli has a better chance at getting into the HOF, then I agree 100%
Romo probably has no chance
Eli very well might get in with those two rings even though he was a slightly better than mediocre QB who played a long time.
If Romo played 7 full seasons (which sounds about right), then he was a better player than than Eli in all 7 seasons, imo.
I doubt Eli was ever once in his entire career in the top 5 in QB rating...not in any season...not even once.

But yeah, he very well could be HOF bound

Right. And ultimately whether we agree or not if he does make the HOF that will make him a better QB. Even if he wasn’t better than Romo for a few years .

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

He is going to get in on the basis of his 2 Super Bowls but he was not a great QB. He also had that streak of games started which some people think is a great achievement, but you watch him play and you can understand why he never got hurt.

Eli benefitted from some great defenses. The teams that stuffed Favre in Green Bay for example. They won because of the defense not because of Eli.

I think for the most part, Super Bowl teams have either a great QB, a great offensive line, or a great defensive front 7.

Those Giants had great defensive lines but they were not a good front 7 or great defense.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Romo>>Eli

don't want to hijack the thread (and you and I mostly agree on this stuff) but come on my man

On a per-game basis, Romo was better than Eli "statistically" in every way.

• Passer rating (Romo WAY better)
• Playoff Passer rating
• QBR
• turnover ratio
• TD ratio
• YPA (WAY better)
• 4th qtr comebacks per game (nearly twice as frequent)
• and this is a team stat, but Romo's teams also had a far better winning percentage than Eli's

The cumulative stats (due to playing twice as many games) is where Eli comes out on top.

To me their playoff stats is what puts Eli’s career over Romos. Romo was a great regular season quarterback….Eli played much better in the playoffs than he did regular season.

 

[Diehardblues]

To me their playoff stats is what puts Eli’s career over Romos. Romo was a great regular season quarterback….Eli played much better in the playoffs than he did regular season.

Good point . When you can elevate your game on the bigger stages it does place you in a higher echelon.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Well, the stat the OP presented is day 1 and 2 QBs, which includes guys who just fell out of the first like Hurts and Brees

No the OP brought up guys who made the SB.
I’m asking you a question. Since only Brees has won a SB who was a second rounder that means Hurts doesn’t have a shot to win right? Since Brees is the only 2nd rounder to win in that span?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Good point . When you can elevate your game on the bigger stages it does place you in a higher echelon.

Yeah it does. It pains us to say because we think highly of Romo but ultimately what he did in the regular season didn’t matter without the playoff pushed and I believe he only made the playoffs 4 times in his career.

 

[Diehardblues]

Yeah it does. It pains us to say because we think highly of Romo but ultimately what he did in the regular season didn’t matter without the playoff pushed and I believe he only made the playoffs 4 times in his career.

It was 4 times but he only played 7 full seasons. 07,08,09, 11,12,13&14.

Part of it much like with Dak better defenses , QB’s and teams have exposed us in the playoffs .

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

It was 4 times but he only played 7 full seasons. 07,08,09, 11,12,13&14.

Part of it much like with Dak better defenses , QB’s and teams have exposed us in the playoffs .

But that goes into how good or a player you are. Durability. You can’t take that out of the equation.