QBs rarely win Superbowls on extension expensive contracts

[xwalker]

I was telling this board that years ago.

They’d rather lose with Dak. Trust me.

Two separate issues:
1. The % of SB winning QBs that were on rookie contracts is small.

2. Dak.

 

[CowboyoWales]

He beat the GOAT on the road and had a tremendous game.

Yes he beat a losing team, against a GOAT who was off to the knackers yard. No doubting he had a tremendous game, against poor opposition.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

They're saying that Dak doesn't deserve to be paid such a big contract. Which okay if they believe he hasn't earned the money that is one point. However I don't see how them viewing a QB as being worthy or unworthy of a big contract somehow changes their logic of how a QB being paid a certain amount of money makes it impossible for a front office to build a team around him.

SO even in the scenario of the Cowboys moving on from Dak and drafting a rookie QB. They're saying that the Cowboys have a limited window to win a Super Bowl on that QB's rookie contract. Or that Cowboys will be doomed not to win a Super Bowl if he gets signed to a new deal before being able to win one. And they're saying the Joneses hands will be tied and they won't be able to do anything to keep and build a Super Bowl contending roster around the next Cowboys QB once he gets paid.

Don't see how the argument of whether or not a QB is deserving of getting paid a big contract would make a difference in the logic that it's impossible for an NFL front office to build a team once their QB has been paid. Since limited money is still limited money and cap space is still cap space for an NFL team, in this argument some are trying to use.

and my point all along. the contract hasn't impailed the FO to build a team around him. his cap hit was less than Lamar Jackson this year? somehow Ravens built a team. we had 20M on the cap last year. somehow it went unspent. we had 10 M (6th in the league) in cap space this season. somehow it went unspent. this year we had about 25M and were able to sign diggs and couple of other FAs....

so this salary thing stopping us from building a team is meaningless. every team deals with it. and when Dak was on Rookie contract, we still couldn't build a team.

teams make it to the superbowl, CCGs, etc. with QBs on new contracts. if only teams on Rookie contracts would make it to the CCG or Superbowls, then nobody would resign them or would it make sense to resign them.

now, is he deserving? that's an opinion. the market sets the value. not fan opinion and their anger.

 

[basel90]

As @Flamma indicated earlier, it's the CAP% HIT that matters not the rookie status of the contract eg Stafford still won his SB with low % (as he was still on his cheap 1st year of the contract). The problem with Dak's extension is that it'll need to be long term to spread out the existing deferred payments (and the $34m 2024 salary which I bet France will want included).

Mahomes/Brady can carry a team, lesser QB's on big contracts Cap hit% never seem to work when they need tools/weapons.

Yes but dak has showed he cannot deliver on both , rookie or expensive contracts. This is still overall on the GM. but once you realize the QB is not the solution , and cannot solve problems you have , you need to move on.

GB moved on from Rodgers and seem to be doing much better than the cowboys .

If you look at what mahomes and lamar ( not comparing them to dak) , they carry their teams and find ways to win. Dak finds ways to lose .

 

[basel90]

KC won the 2022 season SB.
- "Patrick Mahomes signed a 10 year, $450 million contract extension with the Chiefs on July 6, 2020."

Very few SB winning QBs were on their rookie contract.

Just by memory:
- The 1st one with Mahomes.
- The 2017 season Eagles.
- 2007 season Giants with Eli.

Between 2007 season (Eli) and 2017 season (Eagles) were there any other rookie contract QBs that won the SB?

Only 1 of Tom Brady's SB wins was during his rookie contract.

mahomes won his first SB while costing KC a ridiculously low cap hit , i thnk 6 million or something.

rams win a SB while paying stafford 22 million only


Bucs won a SB while paying Brady 24 miliion


you see the examples in the last 5 years alone ? The cowboys have probably averaged 40 + milioni on dak the last 4-5 years alone. Heck he got 75 million with sign on bonus last year. Something is wrong here.

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

and my point all along. the contract hasn't impailed the FO to build a team around him. his cap hit was less than Lamar Jackson this year? somehow Ravens built a team. we had 20M on the cap last year. somehow it went unspent. we had 10 M (6th in the league) in cap space this season. somehow it went unspent. this year we had about 25M and were able to sign diggs and couple of other FAs....

so this salary thing stopping us from building a team is meaningless. every team deals with it. and when Dak was on Rookie contract, we still couldn't build a team.

teams make it to the superbowl, CCGs, etc. with QBs on new contracts. if only teams on Rookie contracts would make it to the CCG or Superbowls, then nobody would resign them or would it make sense to resign them.

now, is he deserving? that's an opinion. the market sets the value. not fan opinion and their anger.

Since some Cowboys fans have this mindset about it being impossible for a front office to build a team around a QB after he has been paid. I'm curious to see their list of QBs coming out of college the next couple of years who they believe can win the Cowboys a Super Bowl on his rookie contract and that's with the current mentality, approach and philosophy the Joneses have taken when it comes to roster building this team. And running this franchise as a whole.

Unless they feel like the Joneses are going to change their approach and try to work their way around contracts and cap space and build a Super Bowl contending roster, for the next Cowboys QB in line who will eventually be paid because of how the QB market works. It's either paying the next Cowboys QB in line or the front office going through a cycle of drafting a QB. Then cutting him and moving on from him if he doesn't win a Super Bowl while on his rookie contract, then drafting another QB.

 

[bewp7]

yea because most not good enough to actully eat 20% of the cap by themself

the # that actully are is like 2 maybe 3

unless u hit on a lot of draft pick or have a great coach ur screwed especally if u give it to a mid bum like dak prescott for a example

 

[Kwyn]

But Purdy isnt paid like an elite QB. It is Dak's contract that's effecting us from succeeding, because we fail to pay it off and it's kicked down the alley. Its on Dak to take the team friendly deal (by team friendly I mean length of contract).

There is no evidence whatsoever that Dak’s contract kept us from signing a single free agent.

Those decisions were made or not made when we still had available cap room

And “team friendly deals” are largely a myth.

Rodger is the only player on one right now and his team was a disaster and he was paid his entire years salary for four plays.

Brady was paid under the table during his famous “team friendly deal”

 

[Brax]

And that 6 minutes was against a prevent defense.

A Dak specialty when stats add up

 

[Kwyn]

Yes but dak has showed he cannot deliver on both , rookie or expensive contracts. This is still overall on the GM. but once you realize the QB is not the solution , and cannot solve problems you have , you need to move on.

GB moved on from Rodgers and seem to be doing much better than the cowboys .

If you look at what mahomes and lamar ( not comparing them to dak) , they carry their teams and find ways to win. Dak finds ways to lose .

Just as an fyi, Baltimore is pretty infamous for collapsing in games.

Also, in Lamar’s four playoff losses, his team has only scored 10 points in each one.

 

[Jayinem]

My question is does Dak get one more extension or two more extensions? Do we keep him until he's 34-35 and move on or is it 37-38 years old. You just don't see QBs staying with one team their whole career with such little playoff success but here we are.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Other than Mahomes what QB has won the SB on a rookie deal latley...for all the "We need Allen, Herbert, Burrow.on and on.." what have they won? We will see if Purdy can beat Mahomes...good luck, dont spot this cat 17 points Purdy you wont be going to Disney Land....

 

[TheSport78]

There's no reason to make the guy's weight be a part of it. Andy Reid who you also mentioned is also obese, proving it's about your mind as a head coach not if you can run laps with the players.

So Reid is fat and smart, while McCarthy is fat and dumb. Better?

 

[SquidwardTentacles]

Lol, before the game, the hot take was that Dak can't beat Brady.

And that was well off peak Brady. There's always a lot of talk. Lots of hype. That's professional marketing. Big advertising dollars at stake.

 

[rambo2]

And that was well off peak Brady. There's always a lot of talk. Lots of hype. That's professional marketing. Big advertising dollars at stake.

I'm talking about the fans, many of them right here that said that Dak can't beat Brady.

 

[Captain-Crash]

what's the excuse next year? dak doesn't have anybody because some low-IQ choker took all the money.

 

[rambo2]

Greates of all time does not mean greatest at THAT time.

That's the new take. However, Dak was outstanding in that game.

 

[SquidwardTentacles]

That's the new take. However, Dak was outstanding in that game.

It's possible.
And it's OK to lose an occasional bigger game, as long as you don't crap the bed like a scared rook while you're doing it, and lose them regularly.

 

[SquidwardTentacles]

I'm talking about the fans, many of them right here that said that Dak can't beat Brady.

I guess I can't speak for them. But Dak did not beat Brady. They Cowboys beat the Bucs.
Dak managed to play well. Nothing against that.

But he has not played will in higher playoff rounds against tougher teams. Neither has the team, but he's responsible for his play. The rest for theirs, and the coaches for putting together a team, plan and play calling that helped snowball whole thing.

 

[basel90]

Just as an fyi, Baltimore is pretty infamous for collapsing in games.

Also, in Lamar’s four playoff losses, his team has only scored 10 points in each one.

yes he has chocked a lot . but also won several games including playoffs games , when his offense had stalled.
But no GM will take Dak over Lamar.