"I hope they (offense) do not throw the ball in my direction" Per Roy Williams

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dguinta1;2067895 said:
Geez how discouraging to hear from your team high paid safety. Sigh! :eek::

I am one of those fools that have a 31 Roy Williams throwback jersey. Got it when he was a stud.

Any suggestions on what I should do with it? :banghead:

Dont feel bad, I dropped $125 large on a Roy throwback as soon as they went on sale back in the day.

That was when Roy still had a pair and was feared by oppenents, not laughed at.:mad:
 

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InmanRoshi;2067940 said:
Brian Stewart outright admitted Dallas wanted to get Roy off the field more next year in his post-draft interview. Thankfully we only have one more year until his cap figure will be feasible enough to release him. I'm tired of an entire defense having to be schemed around one overpaid player's liabilities. We really need Patrick Watkins to step up in his 3rd year so we'll have a replacement ready in-house.

I dont have much faith in Watkins, I still remember him crying like a baby on the sideline in Philly after getting raped all afternoon. I just dont seem him ever being anything more than a JAG/backup. Maybe he has changed since then, but I am not holding my breathe.

I think the FS next year is Henery and the SS is Hamlin. That leaves Newman/Pacman/Jenkins as our starting 3. (I consider the 3rd corner a starter in todays NFL).
 

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Redball Express;2067919 said:
The quote above is a complete out of context quote. Ridiculous what people hear when a person talks. They only hear what they want to hear to support their view.

And I thought he was just being honest about the situation. I think these player really talk candidly with Irvin and I enjoy his interviews.

Roy went on to explain that as a safety, there are certian things the common fan doesn't understand about playing his position.

..that you have a 50/50 chance of being wrong each time that the TE or receiver will cut one way or the other and you can't really cover both options as a safety and you will be guessing wrong half the time and you hope they don't throw the ball your way when you guess wrong.

I think he was also trying to say in the schemes he's asked to play, you have to play the scheme and you can't freelance in coverages and you have to play it a certain way and sometimes, there isn't much you can do.

This was really what he was saying. Completely honest if you ask me.

And when he made the comment about the corners getting the big bucks..he was infering that they are better equipt to deal with handling making the better choice or being able to recover IF they make the wrong decision on the WR as to their coverage.

Which makes sense, since they are further up field and the receiver is always in front of them and they can be looking into the offensive backfield during coverage to make decisions on how to play the WR..inside or outside or close or loose.

I was surprised that he tied his comments about his lack of big hits on his religion. But if you think about it, I can understand it. He hurt Emmitt Smith one time and nearly put him out for the season when Emmitt was playing with the Cards. No matter how you frame that, I didn't like what happened there and I clearly remember RW being very apologetic about it several times.

Then he also injured TO when he was an Iggle with his horsecollar and then did it again with McNabb the next season.

This might be grinding on him from a personal standpoint and he sought answers about it thru his religious beliefs. I think we forget he's a person, not a cold-blooded hired assassin.


:starspin ReDBaLL ExPreSS:starspin

But Redball, he is being paid a small country's GDP and eating over 10% of our cap to be an assassin. That is why he was picked in the top 10 when safeties never get drafted that high.

If he doesnt want to be an assassin anymore, then he is a JAG and you dont blow 10% of your cap on a JAG.

He either grows some balls this year and "finds his inner assassin" or he sits his arse on the pine and guards the waterbucket. Next year we can cut his arse after June 1st and move Henery to FS and Hamlin over to SS.
 

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I can't believe he said since he found religion he doesn't hit as hard.

Unbelieveable.
 

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Deep_Freeze;2068958 said:
I can't believe he said since he found religion he doesn't hit as hard.

Unbelieveable.

I'm glad you can't believe it... because he didn't say it.
 

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Kwmike22;2067571 said:
This is a direct quote from Roy on the Michael Irvin Show. Now I know he feels the same way I do when he is on the field. Please get rid of him. He is really giving me ulcers. A linebacker can cover better than he does. I was really hoping he would turn it around last year, but I knew deep down he is not passionate about football. Remember Micheal Irvin in his day trying to get himself in the best shape of his life. Last year I really thought Roy would get himself in great shape, what he did is a crash diet before training camp. Please cut him now. He has no confidence and is not passionate about football.
What a joke and a disgrace. it's time to stop blamming Roy. it's time to blame the dummies who keep running him out on the field. this guy has to to be benced or cut.PERIOD! it's freaking time.
 

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Jerry Jones and Wade phillips , wake up.i dont care how much money you are paying this guy. get rid of him.
 

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cowboyrock;2069040 said:
Jerry Jones and Wade phillips , wake up.i dont care how much money you are paying this guy. get rid of him.


Cant we get him for breach of contract or something? :D
 

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Danny White;2068961 said:
I'm glad you can't believe it... because he didn't say it.

I disagree, I think he did. I'm no English major, but when he started, he was talking in the 3rd person, referring to himself as "Roy", as if someone else is talking about him, then he changed it to 1st person, referring to himself as "I", as if he was talking about himself. That is the way I take it.

My opinion though.

When athletes talk about rumors about them, they usually (not always) use there names in the 3rd person.

When talking about their own play, etc... they usually use the 1st person (I)

Am I reading too much into that, maybe, but to be honest, none of us know the truth in what he meant. I only know how he plays on the field, and he is not the same players as in years past.
 

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jobberone;2068252 said:
I think the bashing is getting a little too hateful. JMO. I think Roy regrets causing injuries to some people and perhaps he is subconciously laying back a little because of it. Hey, I have all the respect in the world for someone being sensitive, kind, and compassionate. I think many of you would be the same way.

I'm not saying that is the whole of it. It's just likely to be a part of it. And I expect it is hard to go from one system to another. Some players just take longer to adjust. And I don't see it unusual for pro players to take a year plus to get really comfortable with the system.

I still think a lot of the problem is physical preparation with Roy. You cannot maintain that kind of edge without nearly daily hard training. And I mean hard. It takes that kind of dedication.

I have my doubts as to whether Roy can do it. Offenses have surpassed the abilities of defenses IMO. But the defenses will adjust. It is not possible for most safeties to play like CBs. If they could play like CBs then that's what they would be and not be safeties. It's just unreasonable to think 3 CBs are going to cover four or five good WRs. So I like the idea of putting more CBs on the field. The NFL is going to have to start drafting enough big CBs so they can cover these huge fast TEs and also provide adequate run support. And the current safeties are going to have to learn to cover better or be replaced by someone who can. It's that simple.

I expect fans to be fanatic. But if a Spartan can be civilized then there is no reason for fans not to be.

..there are reasons for his play being not up to expected levels. I know for sure in 2006 he had a bad shoulder and played in pain for half the year and wasn't the same. It had to have also affected his pass defense, too.

Players will not come out and use injuries as an excuse and RW never did to his credit. And they never want to admit how hurt they are to let other teams attack them more because he was injured. But teams did anyway. They could see the film and how RW favored his shoulder after the injury.

RW should be respected for continuing to play and he has no control over the coaches desision to keep playing him even if he was injured. As a result, his play had to suffer from previous levels and RW had to suffer with the negative comments that resulted over it.

And he never made excuses. He just did what he could.

You have to respect him for that, but few do nor acknowledge it as being part of the issues with him recently.

But he continued to appear to do alot of the same things in '07 he did in '06 post-shoulder problem, so asuming he's healed now, there remains some other issues there that have to be ferreted out.

He has his reasons why he's struggling with some of this. It's just unclear. I've speculated his shoulder may not be right yet since the late season '06 injury and he's still shying away from violent contact with it as opposed to years past in order to not have another more serious event.

It's just an unknown.

And it's more than any one clear cut thing, although everybody wants to just simplify it and say he's this or that.

I mentioned the same thing in another thread about the fact that he's severely injured several players by playing his style of play and that could very well be an issue only the player and the coaches can explore behind closed doors.

We'll see.

I won't give up on him.

When he's right, he a tremendous player and fun to watch.

:starspin ReDBaLL ExPreSS :starspin
 

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Deep_Freeze;2068958 said:
I can't believe he said since he found religion he doesn't hit as hard.

Unbelieveable.
It's the most unreal thing i have heard in all my years of watching football. this guy has to go. if Jerry and Wade run this guy back on the field again, they are crazy. i dont care how much money they are paying him. this guy is hurting this team bad.GET HIM OUT OF HERE.
 

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Nav22;2067739 said:
Hmmm... how about this.

Not only will I continue to get on him for changing his style...

I'll rip into his "finding God" as an EXTREMELY SELFISH excuse to let down Jerry, the coaching staff, his teammates, and his fans.

As someone else pointed out, Reggie White was also a man of God, and it didn't stop him from dominating on the field or delivering big hits.

If Roy feels that he can't be the Roy Williams Jerry is PAYING him to be, and can't be the Roy Williams the coaching staff and his teammates NEED him to be, he should QUIT.

Either do whatever's necessary to DO YOUR FREAKIN' JOB the way you were HIRED to do it...

Or get the hell out of the way, so we can find a player who still has the fire to do whatever it takes to play this game at his highest possible level.

Oh, but he "found God", so we should all go easy on him? *** that.

From what I can see, it hasn't made him a better person. It hasn't made him a stand-up guy in the least. Stand-up guys don't betray their owner and quit on their coaches and teammates who are counting on them.

Screw Roy Williams.

I think it's time I tossed my #31 jersey in the trash, next to Roy's dedication.


Well said...If Williams doesnt up his play this season..its time to cut him
 

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theebs;2067576 said:
Maybe if someone slips him a note before each game that the opposing teams players are raging homosexual devil lovers he will get angry enough to hit people? Maybe?

The opposing team always is a bunch or raging homosexual devil lovers! He shouldn't have to be told.
 

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Wr3ckin_Cr3w;2069422 said:
Well said...If Williams doesnt up his play this season..its time to cut him
NO NO NO. we can not afford another year of this guy starting on this team.he flatout stinks and needs to go now.
 

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I am actually ashamed of most of you. I can't believe what I've read.

You want to shun Roy for not wanting to hit people hard? Bashing Roy for being religious? Cut Roy? He has the courage to acknowledge his weaknesses. Doesn't take a coward to do that. Maybe he doesn't want to hurt himself. It does hurt to deliver hits just as much as it does to take them. I took one hit too many and I have chronic back problems now. Spare me about being a coward and not wanting to hit people.

His coverage skills are well-documented and he knows that. It's not his job to be a primary cover guy. His job is to cover the gaps and holes his teammates leave. Besides, he's best utilized as a gunner in a blitz scheme. Some safeties are better used like that. Especially if the guy can hit hard and get there unabated. And as most of you are so eager to point out, coverage flaws were predominately by Henry and Reeves. Not by Williams or Newman. Everybody gets beat. Even Roy. Lay off him.

Oh, and if you want to rip on him as a person, you deserve to be bashed. It's not your business to know his personal life. He's happier knowing that God is in control of his life. He didn't have to make that known to the media. He doesn't have to tell anyone anything. No wonder society is taking a massive dump. He's not here to please you. He's here to do his job. And if Jerry thought he wasn't doing his job, he would have ate the money and moved on. Which means either his doing his job adequately or he's just doing enough. Either way, he's doing his job.

If his play has declined for the sake of the team doing better, so be it. The last two years, the Cowboys made the playoffs. The year before that, we didn't. If you want to get smart about where to place the blame, you can either blame Romo or blame the offense. Take your strife out on them. Don't knock Roy for letting things be as they may. He may play on a team but he has to look out for himself just as much as everyone else does. Besides, moving Roy will force another person into the same predicament. A corner may not be as well acclimated to the safety position as a safety his. Remember, the 'Boys tried this experiment with Pete Hunter. Never got off the ground for various reasons... one being that they thought he wouldn't make a good safety. If you tried throwing Henry in that mix, you might have the same problems that Roy has. No guarantees... so don't be so eager to make a change if the change has long-term repercussions. Better to stick with what you have if you can't find a sure-fire fix. At least we still have Hamlin and we do have help behind Newman. You might find Roy's play a whole lot better when he's not being asked to do his job and pick up the slack of whoever. Just like he has been...

Spare me. You sicken me. You wouldn't be saying this crap had Roy played like he used to and still admitted he rededicated himself to God.
 

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big dog cowboy;2069486 said:
The number of people on that boat is dwindling.


There are more holes in that boat than all the fingers and toes can plug up... going to have to start using other parts of their anatomy.... :eek:
 

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KDWilliams85;2069494 said:
You wouldn't be saying this crap had Roy played like he used to and still admitted he rededicated himself to God.

DUH!!! Why would we all be *****ing about his play if he still played like his first couple of years in the league? :rolleyes: Being dedicated to God has NOTHING to do with how he should be playing his position in the NFL.
 

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KDWilliams85;2069494 said:
I am actually ashamed of most of you. I can't believe what I've read.

You want to shun Roy for not wanting to hit people hard? Bashing Roy for being religious? Cut Roy? Spare me.

Maybe he doesn't want to hurt himself. Ya know, it does hurt to wallop someone. Take it from someone who's had any potential football career ruined because he got jacked.

Spare me. You sicken me. You wouldn't be saying this crap had Roy played like he used to and still admitted he rededicated himself to God.
dude...... the guy has made a career out of hitting people hard and is at his best when he does so.

so you're saying he is easing up on hits and tackles cause he doesn't want to hurt himself? and you're ok with that? this is FOOTBALL if he wants to take it easy to preserve his career he's in the wrong sport and might want to think about playing baseball.
 
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