Rapoport talking about possible Murray may return to Dallas

[BAT]

true. but Murray also had a healthy Dez and Healthy Romo. and mcfadden was in football hell in oakland. The way i see it is we have these 2 together and that would be one hell of a 1-2 punch

Romo was efficient but not what I would call healthy (career year, so point may be moot). Dez was a beast in 2015 that is true. McFadden had the better D however.

 

[Daillest88]

Romo was efficient but not what I would call healthy (career year, so point may be moot). Dez was a beast in 2015 that is true. McFadden had the better D however.

Murray had a defense that got turnovers i believe we were in the top 5 in turnovers on defense, while this year we were last. either way Murray is the better back, and i just think him and mcfadden are the perfect combo

 

[CATCH17]

4th in the league vs. 1st in the league does not sound like a huge gap, but 1,800 vs. 1,000 is considerable. But more importantly, Murray scored 10 more TDs than McFadden behind this Cowboys' OL. Murray even scored more TDs as the Eagles 3rd string RB in 2016 than McFadden did as Cowboys' 1st string RB (6 vs. 3).

And for those who knock Murray on not breaking long runs, Murray's longest run in 2016 was longer (54 yards) than McFadden's (50 yards). Murray even scored a TD on that run, while McFadden did not. McFadden has not had a run over 30 yards since 2012. Murray has had a run of 43 yards or more every year in his career. Murray averages a longest run of over 57 yards for his career (5 years) while McFadden averages a longest run of just under 47 yards (8 years).

You're not going to consistently get 1,800 yards and I believe McFadden produces more yards and TD's with Romo converting on more 3rd downs and keeping drives alive.

 

[robjay04]

I don't see it happening but it is not debatable that Demarco Murray will make us a better football team.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

Yep.. The only knock on McFadden was the TD's but I blame that mostly on Garrett/QB play.

Only concern with McFadden in 2016 is his injuries, but we'd have that same concern if we still had Murray. We can still get a top rookie RB in the 3rd or 4th round to back up McFadden and take over in case of injury. Our biggest problems on offense are "what do we do if our big 3 go down (Romo, Dez, McFadden)?" Not being prepared is what ruined our season.

 

[BAT]

You're not going to consistently get 1,800 yards and I believe McFadden produces more yards and TD's with Romo converting on more 3rd downs and keeping drives alive.

Take a look at their respective 3rd and 1 conversion rates and career redzone productivity. McFadden is just not a guy who scores a lot of TDs. Career high was 7 TDs in 2010.

 

[BigStar]

PHI would save 4m against the cap this year with no future charges
DAL would restructure Murray's 7m guarantee for 2016 and end up with a cap charge of 2.5m

They could then cut DMC and save his 2m against the cap and draft a scatback RB with the pick swap and save any money they would pay Dunbar

I'm all for getting a RB in the draft (top 3 rds) and Lamar Miller as long as it doesn't average out to be more than 4-5M/yr contract. Saves 2M from DMC (cut after signing/draft if it comes to it) and get a younger player without the wear and tear you get w/Murray. There are so many Dunbar types out there, it astonishes me that the FO clings to him as such an eventual asset. Turbin can also be brought back to compete for 3rd spot and abandon the whole scat back requirement if the talent just doesn't allow or a late rd/UDFA shines, etc.

 

[Hoofbite]

Is it really financially viable for them to trade him or release him...if not...there is your answer.

Trading him is more viable than keeping him; keeping him is more viable than cutting him, and; and cutting him is in no way cap crippling.

Cutting him would increase their cap space used on him by $5M, but if they were really desperate for cap room (they would still have $16M at least so not sure why they would be) they could also cut Brent Celek and get every dollar back in cap space.

 

[CATCH17]

Take a look at their respective 3rd and 1 conversion rates and career redzone productivity. McFadden is just not a guy who scores a lot of TDs. Career high was 7 TDs in 2010.

And then that goes back to situations they are in.

I do believe Murray is a better short yardage runner though but that is just my opinion.

 

[BAT]

Murray had a defense that got turnovers i believe we were in the top 5 in turnovers on defense, while this year we were last. either way Murray is the better back, and i just think him and mcfadden are the perfect combo

True, but 2016 D was able to keep teams from scoring TDs even without the turnovers. If Cowboys had a modicum of creativity on offense, or a more capable backup QB (able to play above the game plan), this team would have been playoff bound in the absolute worst conference in the NFL.

Rushing game was effective but only between the 20's. If RBs were able to score TDs, this team would have been more successful.

 

[Hoofbite]

The Eagles per Sportrac have approximately $24M in projected cap space. I doubt they eat almost half of that up just to get rid of him.

$8M of that $13M in dead money is already on the books for this season. They only lose $5M in space relative to right now by releasing him.

 

[Hoofbite]

Let's say we trade for him. Doesn't all his guarantee money stay with Philly leaving only salary? If this is the case I will do it.

Yes and no.

You trade for the contract, which means any team trading for him would be trading for the $7M base salary that is guaranteed this year and a $2M portion of his base salary that is guaranteed next year. Not that it matters, the trade would be contingent on a new deal with the team that trades for him so you aren't actually trading for the contract.

 

[gimmesix]

Lol
Now I know why you want Manziel to sign with the Cowboys...... You have no clue

Yes. I'm sure you've never made a mistake before. I have a job and don't follow everything that happens in the NFL. Sue me.

 

[Chaos6980]

 

[Stash]

$8M of that $13M in dead money is already on the books for this season. They only lose $5M in space relative to right now by releasing him.

Right, but it's losing $5 million and the player. With zero net gain.

Not to mention the black eye for the franchise.

 

[Hardline]

The next RB that will be suiting up for the Cowboys ran the ball for the University of Arkansas last season.

 

[AKATheRake]

Pre June 1 cut - CAP Hit to Eagles for $13,000,000

Yeah he's staying a la Brandon Carr styles.

 

[CaptainCreed]

Ha. I'm looking at Rapaport's address and cell phone number right now. Should I violate HIPAA and post it? Just kidding. I like my job.

Technically, even looking it up without any reason to is a violation...

 

[Silver N Blue]

Well just reported he says he wants to return. I'd post the link but this dude doesn't deserve the effort. Off to the traitor zone.

 

[Hoofbite]

Right, but it's losing $5 million and the player. With zero net gain.

Not to mention the black eye for the franchise.

If the player isn't giving you anything, you're not losing anything. Murray was a horrible fit in Philly and it seems like his attitude has soured to the point where not even a regime change will make him a good fit. Cut Murray this year or cut him next offseason, the cap consequence is exactly the same over the 2 year span. If a guy can't produce for you, or if he's a malcontent, what's the point in waiting? Zero net gain in what way? Getting rid of a piss poor attitude would seem like a solid gain, IMO. Especially if everything else is equal.

As for a black eye on the franchise, I doubt Philly's front office would even care. Who's judging them anyway? The public?