Read-option quarterbacks are fair game on fakes, NFL says

[jobberone]

I hope he does run or hand the ball off. Last year teams just weren't prepared including us. Ware didn't have the slightest idea what to do. I've never seen him look lost before. I'll bet you he won't have that problem this year. Again what makes that a difficult offense is the pass off the read option.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

What the...you changed your post while I was responding lol ...had to go and delete a bunch of text. Thanks a lot!

lol, I only deleted one sentence at the begging. meant to delete it b4 I posted then saw it and it didn't make sense

And if those measly 55 starts aren't enough to draw any conclusions about the durability of those QBs, then is RG3 missing one game in 17 enough of a sample size to make any conclusions? Can't have it both ways. RG3 might go the next 5 years without missing a game due to injury for all we know.

I'm drawing my conclusion, not on the 55 starts combined by them, but the 90+ some years on NFL history that says players that weigh "x" amount can only take "x" amount of hits before they break down.

So would missing one game out of 80+ games show that he's durable?

It really has nothing to do with him, for example Matthew Stafford has shown that he isn't durable. He's gotten better, but has shown that. I'm not saying RG3 personally isn't durable, but his style of play isn't sustainable over several years (or even 1 it seems). Now if he models his game after Aaron Rogers, then he may never get injured again, outside of "freak" accidents, I don't know and again, I'm not saying he's not durable, just that 6'2 220 pound players can't getting hit as many times as he did without getting injured.[/quote]

 

[jobberone]

Well, I hope for his sake he has a policy with Lloyd's or someone.

 

[tecolote]

RGIII was great last year, but he was great because he ran a lot or was a threat to run, be it the read option or on regular plays. Now we saw last year he can't possibly continue to play that way, he is way too injury prone to do that, he already has 2 reconstructive knee surgeries.

That's the problem for him, he will not be nearly as effective without the running or the threat to run, and if he plays the same way his career will be short. I think when he's on the field his instincts will take over and he will play the way he has always played, because if he doesn't he won't be great anymore. But if he does, he probably won't last long.

 

[DuceizBak]

Send in a third string guy, tell him to hit the QB every play, then pay for his fine and if he gets suspended, pay for him while he's suspended

 

[ConstantReboot]

I think it is clear many people do not understand how the R/O works.

The QB is staring right at the unblocked player. If that player is coming at the QB every single time, the QB's read will be easy and his RB will be eating up yards.

Meanwhile the QB will be 7 yards behind the LOS with his hands in the air like he doesn't care

Your argument is a flawed. This would mean that if there is a read option the defense only needs one man to rush the QB while the other 10 players can play the run. Normally, without this ruling, the entire D would be guessing who has the ball thus giving RO offenses an advantage. This won't be the end of the RO but it will make it much easier for the defense to defend whether you like it or not.

 

[onlyonenow]

love watching the skin fan twist in the wind in this thread.

 

[Califan007]

lol, I only deleted one sentence at the begging. meant to delete it b4 I posted then saw it and it didn't make sense



I'm drawing my conclusion, not on the 55 starts combined by them, but the 90+ some years on NFL history that says players that weigh "x" amount can only take "x" amount of hits before they break down.



It really has nothing to do with him, for example Matthew Stafford has shown that he isn't durable. He's gotten better, but has shown that. I'm not saying RG3 personally isn't durable, but his style of play isn't sustainable over several years (or even 1 it seems). Now if he models his game after Aaron Rogers, then he may never get injured again, outside of "freak" accidents, I don't know and again, I'm not saying he's not durable, just that 6'2 220 pound players can't getting hit as many times as he did without getting injured.

Ok, are you talking about "style of play" or are you talking about the "build" of the QB's body?

If it's style of play, we've already seen that his style of play has been sustainable over two seasons with Newton. If it's build, then Russell Wilson is smaller than RG3 and he survived his season just fine.

Now, if by "style of play" you mean he refuses to go down to keep himself safe--kind of like being a 'gunslinger' QB but only with the legs instead of the arm--then that does hold more water. Much like a gunslinger QB will take too many unnecessary chances because his mentality is that he can make any and every throw, the mentality of a "gunslinging" running QB could be one that he can make every 1st down/touchdown with his speed and elusiveness.

 

[Califan007]

love watching the skin fan twist in the wind in this thread.

These types of attempts at smack talk insults would be more potent if they were at least minimally based in reality lol...

 

[visionary]

Ok, are you talking about "style of play" or are you talking about the "build" of the QB's body?

If it's style of play, we've already seen that his style of play has been sustainable over two seasons with Newton. If it's build, then Russell Wilson is smaller than RG3 and he survived his season just fine.

Now, if by "style of play" you mean he refuses to go down to keep himself safe--kind of like being a 'gunslinger' QB but only with the legs instead of the arm--then that does hold more water. Much like a gunslinger QB will take too many unnecessary chances because his mentality is that he can make any and every throw, the mentality of a "gunslinging" running QB could be one that he can make every 1st down/touchdown with his speed and elusiveness.

i know you are trying to convince yourself since you are a skins fan but the fact is that RGknee is very thinly built and will take a pounding every game.

wilson is smaller and shorter but he is much more thickly built

i would not be surprised if RGknee does not play a single complete 16 game season in his career and is out of the NFL in 3 years becasue of injuries

 

[Califan007]

Your argument is a flawed. This would mean that if there is a read option the defense only needs one man to rush the QB while the other 10 players can play the run. Normally, without this ruling, the entire D would be guessing who has the ball thus giving RO offenses an advantage. This won't be the end of the RO but it will make it much easier for the defense to defend whether you like it or not.

By removing a defensive player it opens things up for the run game. Put another way, if every defense only fielded 10 players, good rushing teams could run all day against them.

 

[Califan007]

i know you are trying to convince yourself since you are a skins fan but the fact is that RGknee is very thinly built and will take a pounding every game.

wilson is smaller and shorter but he is much more thickly built

i would not be surprised if RGknee does not play a single complete 16 game season in his career and is out of the NFL in 3 years becasue of injuries

Again, these types of smack talk insults are more potent if they at least minimally reside in reality lol...

And I would break out a thesaurus and re-read my post again, because you obviously didn't understand what I was saying.

As for Russell being more "thickly built":

Yeah, they're like night and day.

 

[Staubacher]

These types of attempts at smack talk insults would be more potent if they were at least minimally based in reality lol...

Sir even Shanahan knows RG3 has a short shelf life. Thats why he got Cousins in the same draft and has 4 qbs on the roster.

Enjoy your guy while you can anyone objective can see the writing on the wall

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

Your argument is a flawed. This would mean that if there is a read option the defense only needs one man to rush the QB while the other 10 players can play the run. Normally, without this ruling, the entire D would be guessing who has the ball thus giving RO offenses an advantage. This won't be the end of the RO but it will make it much easier for the defense to defend whether you like it or not.

Not at all.

Look at what the 49ers did to the Falcons. Or what they did to the Ravens in the 2nd half.

It was clear the free unblocked man was gunning for Kapernick. Gore had all sorts of room to run once he got the ball.

What the R/O does that DC's talk about all the time is make it a 11 on 11 game, vs a 11 on 10 game. The numbers for the D are thrown out of whack

So if you want your DE to just take himself out of the play every down, be my guest

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id...ching-nfl-coaches-know-how-defend-read-option

Notice the last picture in the article

The arc block is what is going to destroy this "defense" Matthews is gunning for the QB, that is what the scrape exchange technique is based on, the free man/DE/3-4 OLB being assigned the QB, while the inside LB rotates over the top to the outside.

 

[bayeslife]

WIlson, RGknee, and Kaepernick are all going to get murdered while they're on the run this year. And because QBs are fair game at that point, they are going to get hit way harder than in the pocket, where players pull up to avoid roughing penalties.

None of them may get hurt this year, but it's going to affect their game play eventually. It always does.

 

[jobberone]

By removing a defensive player it opens things up for the run game. Put another way, if every defense only fielded 10 players, good rushing teams could run all day against them.

Let me get this st8. The DE pounds the QB. That leaves ten on ten doesn't it? Also the DE can turn and get back in the play while the QB either stands or lies there. Also the DE can leave the QB and still make a play.

 

[ConstantReboot]

By removing a defensive player it opens things up for the run game. Put another way, if every defense only fielded 10 players, good rushing teams could run all day against them.

Not really. Rather than sending 3-4 players as passrushers to get to the QB all the defense have to do is send one rusher straight to the QB. Thus eliminating 3 or 4 other players pass rushing the QB. The rest of the defense can focus on stopping the run. If the the pass is neutralized with just one player, how much more effective will the defense be when the other 10 focuses on stopping the run?

This will make the R/O ineffective and will force the offense to play like any other offense in the league. Good bye read option.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

Let me get this st8. The DE pounds the QB. That leaves ten on ten doesn't it? Also the DE can turn and get back in the play while the QB either stands or lies there. Also the DE can leave the QB and still make a play.

Not at all. Do you not understand how fast these guys are?

Look at what the 49ers did to the Falcons. Or what they did to the Ravens in the 2nd half.

It was clear the free unblocked man was gunning for Kapernick. Gore had all sorts of room to run once he got the ball.

What the R/O does that DC's talk about all the time is make it a 11 on 11 game, vs a 11 on 10 game. The numbers for the D are thrown out of whack

So if you want your DE to just take himself out of the play every down, be my guest

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id...ching-nfl-coaches-know-how-defend-read-option

Notice the last picture in the article

The arc block is what is going to destroy this "defense" Matthews is gunning for the QB, that is what the scrape exchange technique is based on, the free man/DE/3-4 OLB being assigned the QB, while the inside LB rotates over the top to the outside.

To focus a bit more on your point I found clips from the ATL-SF game where the Falcons were clearly attacking Kapernick

You see what John Abraham is clearly doing and that is at the snap, once he saw the pistol formation, is heading straight for the QB

And you see the big hole left for Frank Gore. And Abraham is nowhere near Kapernick

A nice gain for Gore and Kap is sitting way behind the LOS with nobody near him

One more just to make the point clear

Again, DE attacks Kapernick

DE pays no attention to Gore, who has the ball, is nowhere near Kapernick, who doesn't have the ball, and its an easy TD with Kap chillin in the backfield.

That is what this strategy will yield. Lots of big plays for Alfred Morris and Frank Gore

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Let me get this st8. The DE pounds the QB. That leaves ten on ten doesn't it?

Yes, as opposed to most times which are 11 on 10. It makes a big difference. Especially if the one player you're removing every play is Demarcus Ware.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

WIlson, RGknee, and Kaepernick are all going to get murdered while they're on the run this year. And because QBs are fair game at that point, they are going to get hit way harder than in the pocket, where players pull up to avoid roughing penalties.

None of them may get hurt this year, but it's going to affect their game play eventually. It always does.

Again you actually have to catch them. The read is so quick, and now made easier that DE's won't be within 5 yards of the QB