RECAP: Norm on Dallas and the Draft Picks...

[dmq]

So he wants us to add 2 more players that want big paydays when we have Ware and Newmans contracts looming over us? Pass.

 

[big dog cowboy]

if we could trade 2 1sts, and a 3rd to move up to get McFadden, would you do it?

You gotta be kidding me.........

 

[Stash]

Anyone else get the idea that Norm just regurgitated stuff he read here?

As someone pointed out, his scenario fails to consider the salary cap implications of having to give both of these players mega-contracts.

This seems like connect-the-dots speculation to drum up interest where nothing is happening.

 

[dbair1967]

[*]Knucklehead factor. Later #1 for Deangelo Hall. Hall is a cocky knucklehead. Arrogant is the right word for him. He's not a criminal mind you, but he is arrogant. He would take a #1 draft pick if they want to move him. He's 24 years old and has spent four years in the NFL. He's the youngest player ever to intercept a pass in the NFL. He is a lock-on cover CB and has good skills. He is 5'10" 200 so he's not a whippet. He is a knucklehead but Hall would become the best CB on this team; no offense to Terrence Newman. Hall is dangerous in the open field and an outstanding punt returner. If you could secure him with a late first and you may could, you would have a lock down CB on one side and and a very good one on the other with Henry as the nickel. You have to determine two things. Is he worth the trouble and can you get him for a late first. He is younger now than Newman was when we drafted him.
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I dont need to hear anything else from Norm...I am convinced he is 100% senile

Hall is nowhere near the cover CB Newman is. Hall is also a huge pusskatore when it comes to tackling and he is a mega cancer...

David

 

[dbair1967]

You gotta be kidding me.........

Originally Posted by Bob Sacamano
if we could trade 2 1sts, and a 3rd to move up to get McFadden, would you do it?

I'd do it and do backflips if it happens...McFadden is an elite talent...nobody we get in the 20's are elite talents

David

 

[big dog cowboy]

I would love for all that to happen ..... not gonna happen .... but I would love it.

But he is a cocky knucklehead according to Norm.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I dont need to hear anything else from Norm...I am convinced he is 100% senile

You ought to listen to him on draft day. Oh my!

 

[Hostile]

I would trade for Roy Williams at WR in a heartbeat. We can offer them the #28 pick and Akin Ayodele, who is going to cede his starting role to Zach Thomas anyway and helps Detroit. No WR we draft could have the same impact Roy could and he's young and wants to be here. Detroit will not be able to hang on to him at the end of this season so this bails them out. I know, I know, I've been saying this for months and you're tired of hearing it from me.

I don't think there is a scenario where I'd want DeAngelo "Catfish" Hall. I prefer both our CBs to him. I want to take Antoine Cason at 22 and grab another CB later, say round 4.

Take Ray Rice in the 2nd round.

There's your CB, WR, & RB issues solved.

 

[slick325]

Anyone else get the idea that Norm just regurgitated stuff he read here?

As someone pointed out, his scenario fails to consider the salary cap implications of having to give both of these players mega-contracts.

This seems like connect-the-dots speculation to drum up interest where nothing is happening.

Sometimes I wonder how often these journalist and TV/radio personalities visit the Zone.

As an aside, I have the feeling that there won't be a cap in the 2010 season and that is why the owners are giving the types of deals they are giving and so many trades are being done this offseason. A number of the deals guarantee money in the first three years or so with small cap figures while the remaining years have larger cap numbers. A lot of the deals have been for 6yrs as well. Agents are aware of what's going on with the CBA and are trying to get more guaranteed money during the capped years because teams will not be honoring most of these deals come 2010 and their clients won't be getting anymore monster deals because there will be no cap requirements on salary spending from owners.

 

[khiladi]

I would trade for Roy Williams at WR in a heartbeat. We can offer them the #28 pick and Akin Ayodele, who is going to cede his starting role to Zach Thomas anyway and helps Detroit. No WR we draft could have the same impact Roy could and he's young and wants to be here. Detroit will not be able to hang on to him at the end of this season so this bails them out. I know, I know, I've been saying this for months and you're tired of hearing it from me.

I don't think there is a scenario where I'd want DeAngelo "Catfish" Hall. I prefer both our CBs to him. I want to take Antoine Cason at 22 and grab another CB later, say round 4.

Take Ray Rice in the 2nd round.

There's your CB, WR, & RB issues solved.

As far as Cason, you don't envision Cromartie being there?

 

[Hostile]

Sometimes I wonder how often these journalist and TV/radio personalities visit the Zone.

As an aside, I have the feeling that there won't be a cap in the 2010 season and that is why the owners are giving the types of deals they are giving and so many trades are being done this offseason. A number of the deals guarantee money in the first three years or so with small cap figures while the remaining years have larger cap numbers. A lot of the deals have been for 6yrs as well. Agents are aware of what's going on with the CBA and are trying to get more guaranteed money during the capped years because teams will not be honoring most of these deals come 2010 and their clients won't be getting anymore monster deals because there will be no cap requirements on salary spending from owners.

Some of them visit quite often.

One writer, whom I will not name, said he is impressed with how much we actually do figure out ahead of it happening.

 

[Stash]

I would trade for Roy Williams at WR in a heartbeat. We can offer them the #28 pick and Akin Ayodele, who is going to cede his starting role to Zach Thomas anyway and helps Detroit. No WR we draft could have the same impact Roy could and he's young and wants to be here. Detroit will not be able to hang on to him at the end of this season so this bails them out. I know, I know, I've been saying this for months and you're tired of hearing it from me.

I don't think there is a scenario where I'd want DeAngelo "Catfish" Hall. I prefer both our CBs to him. I want to take Antoine Cason at 22 and grab another CB later, say round 4.

Take Ray Rice in the 2nd round.

There's your CB, WR, & RB issues solved.

I would prefer Rodgers-Cromartie at #22, but wouldn't scream if it were Cason. He might not be a blazer, but he's fast enough and a smart player. He could contribute immediately in my opinion.

Adding Williams and Rice would be great too. Ayodele might be enough to sweeeten the pot for Detroit. They swung and missed on getting Vilma so it seems like their looking for inside linebacker help.

 

[slick325]

Some of them visit quite often.

One writer, whom I will not name, said he is impressed with how much we actually do figure out ahead of it happening.

That's interesting Hos.

 

[CowboysNumeroUno]

So he wants us to add 2 more players that want big paydays when we have Ware and Newmans contracts looming over us? Pass.

Did he even mention the financial implications of this deal? Hall wants Asante Samuel money which he isn't worth and on top of that we would have to worry about Newman's contract in a year. And Henry is being payed too much to just play in the nickel.

 

[Hostile]

As far as Cason, you don't envision Cromartie being there?

I think 3 CBs go before we pick at 22.

DRC
McKelvin
Jenkins

 

[big dog cowboy]

Some of them visit quite often.

One writer, whom I will not name, said he is impressed with how much we actually do figure out ahead of it happening.

But it's not hard to figure out stuff like J. Jones and J. Reeves not returning.

 

[Hostile]

I would prefer Rodgers-Cromartie at #22, but wouldn't scream if it were Cason. He might not be a blazer, but he's fast enough and a smart player. He could contribute immediately in my opinion.

Adding Williams and Rice would be great too. Ayodele might be enough to sweeeten the pot for Detroit. They swung and missed on getting Vilma so it seems like their looking for inside linebacker help.

Cason plays fast and is a very sure tackler.

 

[dalsyk]

Norm just said they had some Cowboys rumors to report on. I have to leave the office, so I hope someone can catch what he says and post it here. Thanks.


EDIT: Recap Added...

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• This is an alternative approach on a plan for the Cowboys. What if the Cowboys traded both #1's in SEPARATE deals.
• Consider the type players you get in trades. Old guys. A guy that has played his way from fringe status to very good and wants a big pay day. Knuckleheads. Teams with depth at a position. Players that don't fit a new system being installed.
• WR, DB and RB are the main positions the Cowboys need. Draft choices many times need a year to work in to the lineup; especially small ones.
• Knucklehead factor. Later #1 for Deangelo Hall. Hall is a cocky knucklehead. Arrogant is the right word for him. He's not a criminal mind you, but he is arrogant. He would take a #1 draft pick if they want to move him. He's 24 years old and has spent four years in the NFL. He's the youngest player ever to intercept a pass in the NFL. He is a lock-on cover CB and has good skills. He is 5'10" 200 so he's not a whippet. He is a knucklehead but Hall would become the best CB on this team; no offense to Terrence Newman. Hall is dangerous in the open field and an outstanding punt returner. If you could secure him with a late first and you may could, you would have a lock down CB on one side and and a very good one on the other with Henry as the nickel. You have to determine two things. Is he worth the trouble and can you get him for a late first. He is younger now than Newman was when we drafted him.
• The other #1, the higher one and maybe something else to the Lions for Roy Williams; perhaps a fourth. A young established star in this league. Williams is approaching the last year of his contract and they are deep at WR. They need draft picks to rebuild.
• Williams is ready to step in and be your 1a WR and Hall is ready to step in and be your #1 DB. With Henry then at nickel you have a very formidable defensive backfield. Hall and Williams are Pro Bowl players right now. I would never trade draft picks like this unless you are in the situation like Dallas who has every right to think they are a SB contender.
• Then you could maybe pick up a player like Derrick Ward in FA. Ray Rice or Kevin Smith should also be around with the second round pick.

That all sounds well and good but those guys will have to be signed to long term deals. Which we don't have the cap room for. So any trade would have to be negotiated with the players before the trade to see what could be worked out. It is not impossibe but very difficult. Other than that I like the deal.

 

[austintodallas]

I would trade for Roy Williams at WR in a heartbeat. We can offer them the #28 pick and Akin Ayodele, who is going to cede his starting role to Zach Thomas anyway and helps Detroit. No WR we draft could have the same impact Roy could and he's young and wants to be here. Detroit will not be able to hang on to him at the end of this season so this bails them out. I know, I know, I've been saying this for months and you're tired of hearing it from me.

I don't think there is a scenario where I'd want DeAngelo "Catfish" Hall. I prefer both our CBs to him. I want to take Antoine Cason at 22 and grab another CB later, say round 4.

Take Ray Rice in the 2nd round.

There's your CB, WR, & RB issues solved.

I like it.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Hall and Williams.......young potential stars......I am thinking about this one......