RECAP: Norm on Dallas and the Draft Picks...

[Hostile]

But it's not hard to figure out stuff like J. Jones and J. Reeves not returning.

Yeah, that isn't what he was talking about though.

 

[TNCowboy]

I'd do it and do backflips if it happens...McFadden is an elite talent...nobody we get in the 20's are elite talents

David

I mean, there's never an elite player drafted in the 20s or later, right?

 

[khiladi]

I mean, there's never an elite player drafted in the 20s or later, right?

I kind of side with dbair1967 on this one. If we got McFadden, I would be absolutely ecstatic. If we had a second, we can fill our need with a decent CB anyways.

 

[CoCo]

I would trade for Roy Williams at WR in a heartbeat. We can offer them the #28 pick and Akin Ayodele, who is going to cede his starting role to Zach Thomas anyway and helps Detroit. No WR we draft could have the same impact Roy could and he's young and wants to be here. Detroit will not be able to hang on to him at the end of this season so this bails them out. I know, I know, I've been saying this for months and you're tired of hearing it from me.

I don't think there is a scenario where I'd want DeAngelo "Catfish" Hall. I prefer both our CBs to him. I want to take Antoine Cason at 22 and grab another CB later, say round 4.

Take Ray Rice in the 2nd round.

There's your CB, WR, & RB issues solved.

On paper...

Don't get me wrong. I'm not criticizing the proposal. Only reminding us of the liklihood that a decent percentage of these top prospects (Rounds 1-3) will not deliver what we think they will for one reason or another, much less in their rookie years.

Roy Williams (WR) as a vet however, ought to be pretty well known.

The speculation and possibilities of the offseason are very fun in their own right.

 

[theebs]

Sometimes I wonder how often these journalist and TV/radio personalities visit the Zone.

As an aside, I have the feeling that there won't be a cap in the 2010 season and that is why the owners are giving the types of deals they are giving and so many trades are being done this offseason. A number of the deals guarantee money in the first three years or so with small cap figures while the remaining years have larger cap numbers. A lot of the deals have been for 6yrs as well. Agents are aware of what's going on with the CBA and are trying to get more guaranteed money during the capped years because teams will not be honoring most of these deals come 2010 and their clients won't be getting anymore monster deals because there will be no cap requirements on salary spending from owners.

From what I have read and heard norm can barely read email. He is not on the zone!

People are reacting what he said today like he was stating facts or rumors? He was just having fun playing out different scenarios. He said as much a couple of times. He didnt say he had a preferred way although he did say adding young veterans who could come in and make an impact right away would be a good fit. and again he never said any of that was from a source or anything, he was just playing out the options that could be there.

Norm is great on draft day, no matter what anyone thinks of him his draft coverage is better than anyone elses.

I bet that pacman radio interview from the atlanta radio station where pacman repeatedly said he wants to be a cowboy is pretty hillarious to listen to. I hope they are smart enough to not even answer the phone when his agent calls.

and for what its worth he called ware, carpenter and spencer weeks ahead of time as our draft pick in the past few years. as we get closer to april he will get a better feel of what the team is going to do from his sources and he usually narrows it right down to a handful of players we would be interested. I can still remember him saying how we would have taken greg jennings in 06 and how much the club liked him, but he went one pick ahead of us to gb.

 

[aikemirv]

Trading 2 1st and a third to move up for McFadden is more ridiculous than what Norm suggest IMO. Just so you guys now that probably is worse than What Ditka did for Ricky Williams in a point value mode.

I mean to proclaim Norm an idiot and suggest that move in the next breath is laughable.

I am not a Hall fan by any stretch and while I would not really like the move , I don't think it would be a stupid one if you could fit him in the cap. I know he may be overated but he is definately a quicker improvement than a rookie.

I am a RW fan and that would be a wise move if you could trade the later first for him and mybe a 3rd or 4th next year. I would wholeheartedly embrace that.

 

[Hostile]

On paper...

Don't get me wrong. I'm not criticizing the proposal. Only reminding us of the liklihood that a decent percentage of these top prospects (Rounds 1-3) will not deliver what we think they will for one reason or another, much less in their rookie years.

Roy Williams (WR) as a vet however, ought to be pretty well known.

The speculation and possibilities of the offseason are very fun in their own right.

I think you could say that phrase about every post that has an idea of who to acquire or release.

 

[slick325]

From what I have read and heard norm can barely read email. He is not on the zone!

People are reacting what he said today like he was stating facts or rumors? He was just having fun playing out different scenarios. He said as much a couple of times. He didnt say he had a preferred way although he did say adding young veterans who could come in and make an impact right away would be a good fit. and again he never said any of that was from a source or anything, he was just playing out the options that could be there.

Norm is great on draft day, no matter what anyone thinks of him his draft coverage is better than anyone elses.

I bet that pacman radio interview from the atlanta radio station where pacman repeatedly said he wants to be a cowboy is pretty hillarious to listen to. I hope they are smart enough to not even answer the phone when his agent calls.

and for what its worth he called ware, carpenter and spencer weeks ahead of time as our draft pick in the past few years. as we get closer to april he will get a better feel of what the team is going to do from his sources and he usually narrows it right down to a handful of players we would be interested. I can still remember him saying how we would have taken greg jennings in 06 and how much the club liked him, but he went one pick ahead of us to gb.

I hear ya. I figured he was playing out scenarios. But, it's fun to specualte what moves Jerry might make since his club is so close. Just a thought, but it may be possible that the same sources from within VR that help him pinpoint what picks Dallas will make come draft day may be tipping him to potential moves that are being discussed inside the Ranch.

Who knows? We'll see. Draft day will be here before we know it.

 

[CoCo]

I think you could say that phrase about every post that has an idea of who to acquire or release.

Absolutely. Even moving veterans from one team to another is an inexact science a la Dickerson and Herschel.

But it is fun...

 

[theebs]

I hear ya. I figured he was playing out scenarios. But, it's fun to specualte what moves Jerry might make since his club is so close. Just a thought, but it may be possible that the same sources from within VR that help him pinpoint what picks Dallas will make come draft day may be tipping him to potential moves that are being discussed inside the Ranch.

Who knows? We'll see. Draft day will be here before we know it.

Yep I agree. I just dont think they would do that yet. It is too early probably for the inner workings of the front office to even know what they are going to do yet let alone tip some media guys to what they are doing.

Norm is excellent covering the draft though.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

One of the challenges concerning the trading of picks for established players is the cost of keeping those established players. The salary cap keeps things like this from happening. The Pat's did this last year. They did manage to take a very good team and took it to the cusp of greatness. However, the longterm cost in player turnover due to cap constraints may make the "morning after" rather painful.

 

[Pabst]

I think RW would be worth the trade, but not DeAngelo Hall. He's not nearly as good as his press clippings, and that Norm thinks he is better than Terence Newman is laughable.

Yes, he's young, which is the only bright spot. Growing older can fix maturity and arrogance issues, but that's not the only problem with him. I'd rather have a rookie play CB than deal with the locker room issues his acquisition may cause.

 

[TonyS]

I think we're in a position where we will be competitive for the next 3+ years with Romo manning the helm and our O-line intact. This is the perfect time to finish off our needs using the draft where you get younger guys for more cap friendly contracts. Adding a high profile guy or two isn't a guarantee either just because they were successful somewhere else.

The Giants managed to win the SB with a ton of guys from the 2007 draft and others from previous drafts. All this with Eli Manning at the helm of all things.

The "splurge on high-priced FAs" because we're "close to making it to the SB" is not always the best solution.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Trading 2 1st and a third to move up for McFadden is more ridiculous than what Norm suggest IMO. Just so you guys now that probably is worse than What Ditka did for Ricky Williams in a point value mode.

I mean to proclaim Norm an idiot and suggest that move in the next breath is laughable.

I am not a Hall fan by any stretch and while I would not really like the move , I don't think it would be a stupid one if you could fit him in the cap. I know he may be overated but he is definately a quicker improvement than a rookie.

I am a RW fan and that would be a wise move if you could trade the later first for him and mybe a 3rd or 4th next year. I would wholeheartedly embrace that.

Its not worse and its not that hard to look up. Both firsts and our second only gets us up around the fourth.

I cannot say I am surprised by the now, now, now mentality but to me its easy on RW.

Do you want a guy like Sweed, Hardy or Caldwell for 5 years and RW for 5 years?

Or would you just prefer RW for 6 years?


This is before you consider everything fro salary cap implications and TO to his injury history because all signs point to him wanting to sign here next year.

 

[TheSkaven]

Can someone help me understand if these were actual rumors from sources or just Norm throwing crap against the wall to see what sticks?

For the record, I'm not down with either deal. Roy Williams would look great with a star, but no way I'm giving up a first and a fourth. I would give up the lower first.

 

[fortdick]

Norm just said they had some Cowboys rumors to report on. I have to leave the office, so I hope someone can catch what he says and post it here. Thanks.


EDIT: Recap Added...

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• This is an alternative approach on a plan for the Cowboys. What if the Cowboys traded both #1's in SEPARATE deals.
• Consider the type players you get in trades. Old guys. A guy that has played his way from fringe status to very good and wants a big pay day. Knuckleheads. Teams with depth at a position. Players that don't fit a new system being installed.
• WR, DB and RB are the main positions the Cowboys need. Draft choices many times need a year to work in to the lineup; especially small ones.
• Knucklehead factor. Later #1 for Deangelo Hall. Hall is a cocky knucklehead. Arrogant is the right word for him. He's not a criminal mind you, but he is arrogant. He would take a #1 draft pick if they want to move him. He's 24 years old and has spent four years in the NFL. He's the youngest player ever to intercept a pass in the NFL. He is a lock-on cover CB and has good skills. He is 5'10" 200 so he's not a whippet. He is a knucklehead but Hall would become the best CB on this team; no offense to Terrence Newman. Hall is dangerous in the open field and an outstanding punt returner. If you could secure him with a late first and you may could, you would have a lock down CB on one side and and a very good one on the other with Henry as the nickel. You have to determine two things. Is he worth the trouble and can you get him for a late first. He is younger now than Newman was when we drafted him.
• The other #1, the higher one and maybe something else to the Lions for Roy Williams; perhaps a fourth. A young established star in this league. Williams is approaching the last year of his contract and they are deep at WR. They need draft picks to rebuild.
• Williams is ready to step in and be your 1a WR and Hall is ready to step in and be your #1 DB. With Henry then at nickel you have a very formidable defensive backfield. Hall and Williams are Pro Bowl players right now. I would never trade draft picks like this unless you are in the situation like Dallas who has every right to think they are a SB contender.
• Then you could maybe pick up a player like Derrick Ward in FA. Ray Rice or Kevin Smith should also be around with the second round pick.

First, let's just say we can't afford these guys. Does anyone think about the cap when they report these rumors?

Second, to the poster. Are you related to the greatest left hander that ever took the mound?

 

[Hostile]

Can someone help me understand if these were actual rumors from sources or just Norm throwing crap against the wall to see what sticks?

For the record, I'm not down with either deal. Roy Williams would look great with a star, but no way I'm giving up a first and a fourth. I would give up the lower first.

Crap on wall.

 

[Teague31]

hall isn't half the corner Tnew is.

 

[tecolote]

Does anybody know when we will know if 2010 will be uncapped? That's the only way we would afford to have those 2.

 

[Rampage]

wow! this guy is crazy! i get crap for thinking were gonna draft dmac and this guy says this stuff:laugh2: