RECAP: T-new on Sirius

[Chocolate Lab]

I could see Newman being resigned and Dallas letting go of Roy and Ken for cheaper options at the safety positions. I wouldn't be overly shocked if something like that played out.

Same here.

If I had to bet on any one player being a Cowboy after this draft, it might be Tyrell Johnson. He sounds kind of like Hamlin coming out, and could play SS.

As much as I hate to say it, and never thought I would say it, I think this is the year we at least start making contingencies for a defense without Roy.

 

[Little Jr]

Would you rather pay Newman 7yrs 70 million with 25-30 guaranteed or Hamlin something like 40+ mils over 6yrs (like average player Gibril Wilson got)

thats a no brainer...Newman >>>> Hamlin

I have a feeling Hamlin may not be here more than another season...and I am pretty sure there's no way RW and Hamlin are BOTH here past this season...if Roy doesnt improve he might be gone and then maybe they consider keeping Hamlin longterm, but if you are just comparing contracts and level of play for said contracts, keeping Newman over Hamlin and Roy is a better idea IMO

David

Well I was talking about CB's. I still feel the same. I would let Newman walk if we draft one and he shows he can handle the job. Doesnt have to be as good as Newman just be able to handle the job. I just dont want to pay that kind of money to a 30 CB. I dont care if he doenst have the wear a tear on him like some around here say because he was 25 yr old rookie. We werent as awful against the pass last year as some on here made out to be and that was with Reeves. Which some on here thinks was the worst CB in the league, I'm not one of them. I think we can draft one that would be better than him and we would be fine.

So you would let RW and Ham walk and keep Newman? What do you do at S then. I'd keep Ham and let RW and New walk. All of this is depending who we get in the draft. We might draft a bust at CB and we'll have to keep New. I'm just not as high on New as a lot of Cowboy fans are. I think he his good but not great.

 

[Little Jr]

I could see Newman being resigned and Dallas letting go of Roy and Ken for cheaper options at the safety positions. I wouldn't be overly shocked if something like that played out.

I would be overly shocked and overly pissed if that was to happen unless we get a S in the draft.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I would be overly shocked and overly pissed if that was to happen unless we get a S in the draft.

So why is it that we can just draft a corner to replace Newman, when we can't draft a safety to replace one of those other guys?

I don't think you have to worry about our drafting a safety. We haven't in forever, and we're about to start planning for at least one of those guys to be gone.

 

[junk]

This would work fine, and be great, if the two drafted guys are able to show immediately that they can be as good, or better, than Newman in their second year if we let them walk.

Now lets be real honest here...what are the chances of even one of them showing they're as good in one year? Pretty slim.

Unless 2010 is uncapped, how is the team going to re-sign Newman and Ware (and Canty and Barber)?

It'd be a tough pill for some to swallow, but it might be the best business decision. Newman is going to be 30 this year. He was dinged last year. Giving him a 7 year, 70 million dollar deal just might not be smart.

Will there be some drop off from the draftee(s) to Newman? Probably, but I'd rather keep the rest of the young core and go younger at CB than give Newman big money and lose some other pieces.

 

[Little Jr]

So why is it that we can just draft a corner to replace Newman, when we can't draft a safety to replace one of those other guys?

I don't think you have to worry about our drafting a safety. We haven't in forever, and we're about to start planning for at least one of those guys to be gone.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding or you misunderstood mine. We can replace a S just as easy as a CB. I just wouldnt let both walk and to keep New. Well I wouldnt let Ham walk. I could careless what we do with RW. I would like to keep Ham and New. I just think it would be a mistake to pay New the money he's gonna be asking for. Again I'm someone who does not think New is great just good. If someone thinks he's great then I can see them wanting to pay him that type of money. I'm just not one of them.JMO

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Unless 2010 is uncapped, how is the team going to re-sign Newman and Ware (and Canty and Barber)?

It'd be a tough pill for some to swallow, but it might be the best business decision. Newman is going to be 30 this year. He was dinged last year. Giving him a 7 year, 70 million dollar deal just might not be smart.

Will there be some drop off from the draftee(s) to Newman? Probably, but I'd rather keep the rest of the young core and go younger at CB than give Newman big money and lose some other pieces.

Thats very true as well and just yet another point as to why Dallas still has to draft at least one CB in the first round this year, even if they got Jones. There is a very good shot that you have to let Newman walk if there is no way you can get Barber, Canty, Newman, and Ware. Also, don't forget, you have to throw in a new deal for T.O. as well by the end of this season or we're starting at square 1 at WR as well.

 

[Little Jr]

Unless 2010 is uncapped, how is the team going to re-sign Newman and Ware (and Canty and Barber)?

It'd be a tough pill for some to swallow, but it might be the best business decision. Newman is going to be 30 this year. He was dinged last year. Giving him a 7 year, 70 million dollar deal just might not be smart.

Will there be some drop off from the draftee(s) to Newman? Probably, but I'd rather keep the rest of the young core and go younger at CB than give Newman big money and lose some other pieces.

See this is why I dont post on here as much. I usually just find a post like this and say I agree.:laugh2: Very good post.

 

[Frozen700]

If newman really MEANT that.....**** him..let him walk..

but if we can....we gotta let go of Roy, and maybe Hamlin

Switch A.Henry to safety...and Watkins to SS...Newman and Pac man at corner....wow this would be a real Athletic, fast seconday..(henry is faster than Hamlin and Roy, and plays the ball better)

Roy is not the same, and Hamlin will want a boat load of cash, regardless of what you guys might say, it is way easier to replace a safety, than it is a shut down Corner

 

[Boom]

This is what I posted in the crystal ball thread:

The interview I heard was on Sirius NFL Radio. The whole interview was light hearted. The interviewer asked if he wanted the same contract as the 7 year/70 million. T-new said to throw in Halle Berry. There were no demands or anything like that, but he did say that he'd like to be extended so that Jerry would show he wanted him there.

To demonstrate how conversational it was, half the interview involved what hot celebrities could be interchanged in the deal.

He was hilarious in the interview. I was laughing half the time.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Newman is a great guy and all that but you can bet he wants his piece of the big pie that the rest of the DB's have been getting the past couple of years. It's a business, period.

I don't blame him. The question is despite the fact he's one of the best CB's with his age and coming off an injury do you pay him the huge $$ it will take to sign him. I don't think they have any other choice but to pay him, unless you could trade for another elite CB.

 

[khiladi]

Newman says he wants to be here and retire a Cowboy. He is still playing at the top of his game, so why would anybody want to let him walk? Even the Patriots have started resorting to paying big-bucks for super-stars. They thought they could just plug in WRs.

 

[Hoofbite]

Unless 2010 is uncapped, how is the team going to re-sign Newman and Ware (and Canty and Barber)?

It'd be a tough pill for some to swallow, but it might be the best business decision. Newman is going to be 30 this year. He was dinged last year. Giving him a 7 year, 70 million dollar deal just might not be smart.

Will there be some drop off from the draftee(s) to Newman? Probably, but I'd rather keep the rest of the young core and go younger at CB than give Newman big money and lose some other pieces.

Even if the cap doesn't go away, its still going up each year.

 

[Bleu Star]

Sounds like you have it nailed down

 

[Bleu Star]

Akin can cry all he wants his play forced the Zach signing.

Zach had as many tackles as Akin did and he only played 5 games.

LOL

Quit crying and raise your level or plan on getting better acquainted with special teams.

 

[k19]

sounds like utter b/s to me. Newman's never said anything like the above...as others have mentioned, he doesnt have a good sense of humor and maybe if he said any of this he was joking, but otherwise this sounds like b/s

David

Sounds like you have it nailed down

Sounds like you 2 heard the interview yourselves and can give your own recap? Thought so :laugh2:


As i said in the first part I was hoping more people who heard the entire thing could fill in the holes, I know I'm not the only one with sirius around here. Gets a little hard to just put broken helicopters on hold to listen to the radio some days, stupid military. What I DID hear were his quotes on the replay and 2 minute drills.

Sense of humor or not its a connect the dots thing when it comes to money.

He did talk about the CB contracts and said they were insane and couldn't wait to get his.

He did talk about the Raiders signing Hall and said nothing against Hall but the Raiders should take care of their own before they brought in someone else from outside and paid them.

Said he thought Johnson in Dallas was a bad idea because they already had 2 great receivers and there wasn't enough balls to go around and that someone would be the odd man out.

Defnitely said he hoped to have a new contract before the season started. Yes the part about trading him for CJ was probably his dry sense of humor but the mention of being a 5 year starter and saying the team knew what they had in him probably wasn't.


So if you connect the dots he wants to be paid and paid big (ala Hall, Samuels, and Clemens), he feels he is a proven commodity and deserves that kind of cash, he won't be thrilled if they bring someone in a don't take care of him first, and he wants a new deal before the season starts which makes sense since he'll be a FA at seasons end.

Read it any way you like. I like Tnew as much as anyone else but I don't think he's kidding about it from a financial point. Fact is I don't know if we'd even be able to afford him at 7 for 70 mill or even 6 year 57 million deal, after all he's going to be 30 at the start of the season. Do you REALLY want to give a 30 year old player a 5-7 year deal at an overinflated markey price??????

Maybe the best thing is to draft 2 CB's and hope they develop quickly so they can fill in if we don't re-sign Tnew. Maybe the Colts have the right idea as far as hitting in the draft, letting those players develop behind the proven vets and when the vets are due big money you let them walk, perfect example of building through the draft and the importance of hitting on your picks. First day/first 2 round picks should be instant contributors and later day players should be players who can groom to become contributors not reaches to fill a position of need. Like it or not thats what the G men did in last years draft and what we should hope to do every draft.

The conversation with Akin was definitely not a joke as far as him wanting to know where he stood you could tell by his tone, especially if you listen to him in his weekly spots. He was on vacation and didn't even know we had signed Thomas.

 

[k19]

I forgot one more thing.......

He said he wasnt hurting for money but expected fair market value and "if they don't do the right thing I'm sure theres a team out there that could use my services"

So if you pay him fair market its around 10 mil a year and if you tag him its WAS 7.2 mil last season and will go up considerably with the contracts of Samuels and Hall. Seems its in our best interest to draft, groom, and replace at a more cap friendly number but thats just me. Which is better the evil you know or the evil you don't?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Maybe the Colts have the right idea as far as hitting in the draft, letting those players develop behind the proven vets and when the vets are due big money you let them walk, perfect example of building through the draft and the importance of hitting on your picks.

Well IMO, that's what we should've done with Flo. He's older than Newman, he's had definite motivation questions in the past (which Newman never has), and we actually have some young talent behind him that we like.

I really wonder if the plan wasn't to let Flo go, but at the last minute Jerry started thinking about how close we are, and his young prize QB, and got impulsive again.

 

[Gaede]

i don't really care how much newman wants, he deserves it. re-sign no matter the costs.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

BTW, something I forgot to ask... So Akin was actually interviewed as well? In the earlier post, I thought they were just referring to the reports at the time that he wasn't happy about Zach being signed. Didn't realize that they actually had a fresh interview with him.