Twitter: Remaining quarterbacks in the playoffs were 1st round picks except Brock Purdy

[Diehardblues]

But the point I think is being missed is thre Texans have good coaches and a good team. The experts and analysts didn’t see it so now they want to solely credit Stroud. And he is great. No doubt. But Stroud doesn’t play defense and he doesn’t run routes. A Stroud or a Burrow happens when you have good coaching. It’s why Herbert has had a trash career despite stats. He’s had horrendous coaching. But I’m suppose to believe he’s inferior to Tua? I don’t see it.

Again, all of the contributing factors doesn’t dismiss the need to continue taking the risk in 1st round for potential of hitting.

But no doubt the circumstances are crucial to these QB’s success.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Its interesting the rate of busts for the first overall pick as regards QBs. Aikman and Elway I think trying to remember are the only absolute HOF's I can remember


EDIT
Peyton Manning as well

Yeah you gotta go back some time. I guess you could say Stafford because he did win a ring. But I don’t think he’s been first overall worthy.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Again, all of the contributing factors doesn’t dismiss the need to continue taking the risk in 1st round for potential of hitting.

But no doubt the circumstances are crucial to these QB’s success.

Bad teams usually stay bad. Regardless of the quarterback they take.

 

[Diehardblues]

Because it’s all they know. Sometimes you have to do it. I would keep Fields and build around him but taking a quarterback at 1 isn’t stupid it’s the right thing to do because stats show it. But stats also show 1st overall picks don’t go to the SB….but whos going to argue against that stupid claim? Who’s going to say don’t take Caleb Williams because 1st overall picks don’t win Super Bowls?

Actually there’s been 8 overall 1st round picks win a Super Bowl.

https://thelistwire.usatoday.com/li...s-drafted-no-1-overall-won-a-super-bowl-ring/

Note this list is flawed with a couple of these who were not starters in SB .

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Actually there’s been 8 overall 1st round picks win a Super Bowl.

https://thelistwire.usatoday.com/li...s-drafted-no-1-overall-won-a-super-bowl-ring/

That list is crap. And it must be old because they didn’t even list Stafford.

Saying Carr and Drew Bledsoe won SBs is disingenuous. But I forgot Eli was first overall. Still out of 60 plus years 8 guys is insane. And in the past 20 years? Only one team drafted a SB champion at first Overall.

 

[Diehardblues]

Bad teams usually stay bad. Regardless of the quarterback they take.

So , if you’re a bad team and you need a QB and there’s one there in 1st round , you’re not taking him?

It’s amazing that we can’t agree that while taking QB in first round is a risk it’s the position which is foundation of franchise to build upon . And since most of the great QB’s are taken in 1st round it’s a natural place to start.

 

[Einstein]

We've been the odd team out since Romo days...

 

[DFWJC]

Being a 1st round pick doesn't automatically make you better or “blue chip”. Just see the VERY long list of busts.
If Mahomes was drafted in the 2nd, he'd still be same player….going 1st round doesn't make you better. Lol
But the odds are generally higher that you succeed If the league thought you were worth being taken in round 1

 

[nate dizzle]

Its interesting the rate of busts for the first overall pick as regards QBs. Aikman and Elway I think trying to remember are the only absolute HOF's I can remember


EDIT
Peyton Manning as well

Bradshaw
Eli likely gets in.

Can add Burrow and Stafford to the list as well.

 

[DFWJC]

We've been the odd team out since Romo days...

True, but if there was a redraft several seasons after Dak and Romo became starters, almost all GMs would say they were 1st rounders.
Whether we agree ir not

 

[Diehardblues]

That list is crap. And it must be old because they didn’t even list Stafford.

Saying Carr and Drew Bledsoe won SBs is disingenuous. But I forgot Eli was first overall. Still out of 60 plus years 8 guys is insane. And in the past 20 years? Only one team drafted a SB champion at first Overall.

I noted the exceptions. But I was responding to no 1st overall picks had won a SB.

And those guys won multiple SB’s so number or percentage goes up.

At one time about 80% of SB’s were won by 1st and 2nd round picks. So it’s proven method to find a franchise QB. Those taken in later rounds is much longer odds.

 

[DFWJC]

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[rnr_honeybadger]

It's almost insane that our FO ignores the most important position in football. It's like they think they're outsmarting the rest of the NFL finding their QBs in the later rounds (or UDFA). I'm sure they think they fleeced San Fran giving them a 4th round pick for Lance.

Why does this surprise you? Look how long it took them to finally draft a LT? Look how they keep letting the DT position languish year after year with no answer. What's worse is that every year they go into the offseason admitting that it's a problem and every year they fail to address it. Safe to say the brain trust over there either flat out does not care because they are perfectly happy going 12-5 and no real playoff success and whole lot of media hype or they care but have no clue how to fix it.

 

[nate dizzle]

Being a 1st round pick doesn't automatically make you better or “blue chip”. Just see the VERY long list of busts.
If Mahomes was drafted in the 2nd, he'd still be same player….going 1st round doesn't make you better. Lol
But the odds are generally higher that you succeed If the league thought you were worth being taken in round 1

A lot of 1st round QB's go to really bad teams. That factors in. A lot of the best results come when a high draft pick QB gets a year to sit and learn. All situations are different obviously. How well a rookie QB's talents and abilities align with the OC's scheme and the surrounding talent is probably the biggest determining factor for success

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

So , if you’re a bad team and you need a QB and there’s one there in 1st round , you’re not taking him?

It’s amazing that we can’t agree that while taking QB in first round is a risk it’s the position which is foundation of franchise to build upon . And since most of the great QB’s are taken in 1st round it’s a natural place to start.

It depends. I would’ve never taken Mitch Tribusky or Daniel Jones or Dwayne Haskins. Never. In this draft? No brainer you do it. Last years draft? I wouldn’t face taken Young or Stroud. It just depends what’s there. Blindly taking quarterbacks first isn’t the move either. You don’t pass up Trevor. You don’t pass up Luck. JJ McCarthy? Mac Jones? Pass.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

A lot of 1st round QB's go to really bad teams. That factors in. A lot of the best results come when a high draft pick QB gets a year to sit and learn. All situations are different obviously. How well a rookie QB's talents and abilities align with the OC's scheme and the surrounding talent is probably the biggest determining factor for success

I think Kenny Pickett has a good team and he sucks. Some guys just don’t have it. Love did go to a good team but he showed he could play in college.

 

[Diehardblues]

It depends. I would’ve never taken Mitch Tribusky or Daniel Jones or Dwayne Haskins. Never. In this draft? No brainer you do it. Last years draft? I wouldn’t face taken Young or Stroud. It just depends what’s there. Blindly taking quarterbacks first isn’t the move either. You don’t pass up Trevor. You don’t pass up Luck. JJ McCarthy? Mac Jones? Pass.

Of course . We can dissect individual picks . I’m attempting to broad stroke the overall subject. And why franchises continue taking the risk.

 

[nate dizzle]

I think Kenny Pickett has a good team and he sucks. Some guys just don’t have it. Love did go to a good team but he showed he could play in college.

Pickett may suck...but I know they jettisoned Canada for a reason. Maybe next year he bounces back with a new OC. All these guys show they can play in college man, that's why they get drafted so high.

 

[Creeper]

No doubt less than Elite or 1st round picks can win a SB with a complete team. But the odds are greater with one.

Plus who truly believes our front office can build such a team? I’m not ever sure they could build one with an Elite QB. Lol

Good points, both. First step is recognizing the problem, and why it exists. IMO, they need to move away from the Quinn philosophy, and Jerry's too Get big and physical along the DL. Mazi came to this team claiming he liked to hit people. Well, beef him back up and tell him to start hitting people again. And gets hims some partners to play alongside him.

Watching some videos of the Packers I saw over and over, OL getting downfield to take out our 2nd level defenders. No one on the DL was forcing those linemen to stay in and block or keeping them from getting downfield. This is especially problematic when you have small guys playing LB.

 

[Established1971]

Yep. We've gone the undrafted and mid round pick route. Hasn't panned out. Time for a blue chipper.

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