CFZ Remember: Jerry doesn’t think like we do

[kskboys]

Wow, just what we needed a bash Jerry thread to go along with the bash Dak threads.

Maybe I am in the minority, but Jerry wants to win, and make $$$.
To claim he does not care about winning is ridiculous.

About 5 weeks until TC .... going to be a long 5 weeks.

Until you start examining his actions. At that point, it's actually quite clear that winning is not at the top of his priority list.

 

[DandyDon52]

I think even jerry is starting to be embarrassed by cowboys playoff record all these years, so he has let others control more and more,
while he attempts to take credit for all of it.
I noticed he finally let mcClay be in the interviews etc, but says nothing about what he does lol.

His actions recently seem more desperate to go further than the div round.
I think they hired the new analytic people due to mike, and same for new coaches and mike calling plays. Getting rid of kellen,
getting cooks and gilmore , mazi, are all things encouraged by others.

Jerry went along with it to do better in playoffs.

Jerry wants to win in playoffs, as much as fans, but he is reluctantly listening to others now, but it is still him in control.
I think he is mystified by his way not producing a winning team in playoffs so he is quietly giving up more control.

Since he wont put jimmy in roh, and has caused this long drought himself, I am ok with them losing in div round until he is no
longer around.

 

[Reid1boys]

In 2010, the pack won the SB with the most injuries in the league that year.

BUt not to his HOF QB.... thats what mattered. Just ask Andy Reid.

 

[Jumbo075]

I’m sure 99.9% of the Cowboys fans here on the Zone want to win a championship badly. We all have a hunger to see another Lombardi join the storied collection of the 5 others. There are dozens and dozens of threads that contain hope and realistic dreams of winning. And those dreams aren’t ridiculous. This roster is very good. It’s not out of the question to see this team go on a deep playoff run. I’m hopeful despite the last 28 seasons.

The biggest roadblock to that dream however is this: our owner/president/GM does not want to win as badly as we do. He doesn’t think like we do. Yes, I know JJ wants to win. He would love the spotlight of hoisting a Lombardi on SB Sunday while shouting, “We did it our way!”

But being motivated by doing whatever it takes to win a championship is stronger among us fans than with our owner. The strongest motivation he has are these two things:

1. Being the face of the franchise from “jocks and socks” to the last detail of every penny. It’s why he’s an owner.
2. Winning the “Forbes Championship” every season. He’s prouder of the fortune he’s made with this team than the 3 Lombardis he’s won.

So when any one of us fans think if we don’t have a winning season this year that Mike McCarthy is on the hot seat, think again. Jerry doesn’t think like we do. If we win or if we lose, Jerry Jones is going to do things “his way” with himself as the centerpiece. If winning a championship was THE goal, he would’ve made changes at the top a long time ago.

So as we prepare for another season, I still have hope we can go on a deep playoff run. We have a very good roster and I do think McCarthy is one of the best head coaches we’ve had since The Big Tuna or Jimmy. But if things go south and we somehow don’t make the playoffs, it won’t make Jerry as unhappy as it will us.

So you're bored. I get it. No football for a while. But did you really, really need to throw a hornet's nest into the middle of the forum just to stir up trouble?

 

[CCBoy]

Jerry, just remember that forgiveness is the beginning of social justice.

 

[CCBoy]

Also, as to ethics, the Cowboys released a receiver who broke the law...and that is a new direct at the front as well!

 

[phildadon86]

Wow, just what we needed a bash Jerry thread to go along with the bash Dak threads.

Maybe I am in the minority, but Jerry wants to win, and make $$$.
To claim he does not care about winning is ridiculous.

About 5 weeks until TC .... going to be a long 5 weeks.

He wants to win. I have no doubt about that. The problem lies in the way he wants to win. His way. Hence the 28 years of futility.

 

[kskboys]

He wants to win. I have no doubt about that. The problem lies in the way he wants to win. His way. Hence the 28 years of futility.

Which means winning is not his priority.

 

[Bobhaze]

So you're bored. I get it. No football for a while. But did you really, really need to throw a hornet's nest into the middle of the forum just to stir up trouble?

Wow. It’s just an opinion. This doesn’t have national security or world economic implications, lol. Anyone is welcome to disagree and I’m fine with that. The last thing this forum needs is everyone agreeing about everything.

 

[xwalker]

1. Winning the “Forbes Championship” every season. He’s prouder of the fortune he’s made with this team than the 3 Lombardis he’s won.

Wrong again.

Jerry's need to win is what caused the biggest mistakes.

The only thing Jerry values more than the 3 Super Bowl trophies is the day he fired Landry...

 

[Bobhaze]

Wrong again.

Jerry's need to win is what caused the biggest mistakes.

The only thing Jerry values more than the 3 Super Bowl trophies is the day he fired Landry...

That last sentence literally made me laugh out loud. Good one X!

 

[Diehardblues]

It’s been a love/ hate relationship . A mixed bag of emotions as we continue to root our local and or favorite team on despite our vitriol for Jethro Jone$.

I stated from Day 1 on 2-25-1989 that we could tolerate an owner like him only if we won . And we did early and often. He lost me when winning championships wasn’t enough with Jimmy.

Unfortunately he brilliantly maneuvered the league and the Cowboys into a position where success on the field wasn’t needed to maintain high levels of revenue and popularity.

These new revenue streams he spearheaded have enabled him to continue his individual passions without more direct accountability for the results on the field.

Well done Bob . Love you guys CC and KSK.

 

[McKDaddy]

But they can't live forever off past successes. Anyone 30 & under has no personal connection to a team that was dominant when there were a number of championship caliber teams every year. They have only known the Cowboys as a losing franchise and wondering why they are on TV so much.

The generations who were loyal are fading away. Younger generations don't really care about anything but who's in vogue at the moment. Not the history of the game nor the franchises. Just another thing to keep them entertained for a moment.

 

[Diehardblues]

This is one subject most of us can agree on but surprisingly there are a few fans out there who actually think we have a good owner/GM.

 

[Diehardblues]

Here’s my prediction:

If McCarthy does get us back to a Super Bowl, he’s gone . He just came here to revive his career after not many were interested after his firing at Green Bay.

And McCarthy will get the credit which will inflame Jethro again as winning a championship isn’t enough unless he gets the credit he’s pursuing for being a football guy.

Such a sad state of affairs we have had to deal with over 30 years now . It’s incredibly exhausting .

 

[Jarntt]

Jerry wants nothing more in life than to win a Super Bowl AND to get credit for it. Dude just doesn't realize everyone will still see it was done in spite of him...

 

[quickccc]

I’m sure 99.9% of the Cowboys fans here on the Zone want to win a championship badly. We all have a hunger to see another Lombardi join the storied collection of the 5 others. There are dozens and dozens of threads that contain hope and realistic dreams of winning. And those dreams aren’t ridiculous. This roster is very good. It’s not out of the question to see this team go on a deep playoff run. I’m hopeful despite the last 28 seasons.

The biggest roadblock to that dream however is this: our owner/president/GM does not want to win as badly as we do. He doesn’t think like we do. Yes, I know JJ wants to win. He would love the spotlight of hoisting a Lombardi on SB Sunday while shouting, “We did it our way!”

But being motivated by doing whatever it takes to win a championship is stronger among us fans than with our owner. The strongest motivation he has are these two things:

1. Being the face of the franchise from “jocks and socks” to the last detail of every penny. It’s why he’s an owner.
2. Winning the “Forbes Championship” every season. He’s prouder of the fortune he’s made with this team than the 3 Lombardis he’s won.

So when any one of us fans think if we don’t have a winning season this year that Mike McCarthy is on the hot seat, think again. Jerry doesn’t think like we do. If we win or if we lose, Jerry Jones is going to do things “his way” with himself as the centerpiece. If winning a championship was THE goal, he would’ve made changes at the top a long time ago.

So as we prepare for another season, I still have hope we can go on a deep playoff run. We have a very good roster and I do think McCarthy is one of the best head coaches we’ve had since The Big Tuna or Jimmy. But if things go south and we somehow don’t make the playoffs, it won’t make Jerry as unhappy as it will us.

You're persistent at pointing the finger at Jerry. But what you're not understanding is this is not the 90's era anymore.

The lead football operations of the Cowboys really run thru his son Stephen and McClay, ..oh Jerry is still involved, he represents the face of the Cowboys, but he has relished
football movements and structure to Stephen more than ever.

Now in terms of personal issues such as Jimmy Johnson's Ring of Honor inductee to which Jerry clearly seemingly will carry the personal grudge and decline to his grave- this is
100% Jerry. Always has been ...always will be .

 

[Bobhaze]

You're persistent at pointing the finger at Jerry. But what you're not understanding is this is not the 90's era anymore.

The lead football operations of the Cowboys really run thru his son Stephen and McClay, ..oh Jerry is still involved, he represents the face of the Cowboys, but he has relished
football movements and structure to Stephen more than ever.

Now in terms of personal issues such as Jimmy Johnson's Ring of Honor inductee to which Jerry clearly seemingly will carry the personal grudge and decline to his grave- this is
100% Jerry. Always has been ...always will be .

Quick, the bottom line for me is about results. Especially when it matters most- in the playoffs. My problems with Jerry aren’t personal. And I’ve said many times on this thread, the front office he leads has done a good job in the draft and in talent acquisition the last several years. Kudos for that. But the lack of playoff results are unacceptable.

I just want to win multiple playoff games in a row in the same year for a change. Whatever stands in the way of us not accomplishing that I oppose. The only guy who has been at the helm all these years we haven’t accomplished that is JJ. Again, it’s not personal. It’s about results.

 

[Chuck 54]

This has been proven wrong by Jerry himself. Sheesh, how does this myth keep going?

Some of you need an "I want to believe" poster hanging on your walls as deep down inside I doubt that you truly believe Jerry wants to win as bad as yourself.

Of course he does….it’s silly to think otherwise. Maybe his ideas on how to win are different, but just imagine how dumb it would be for him not to want a SB more than me. It means another huge boost of respect, of money, of younger fans who gravitate to whoever wins, advertising, easier free agent signings. There is absolutely no reason why Jerry would be better off not winning. The whole premise is silly. He just doesn’t believe that signing a bunch of huge free agents and destroying the future of your team that would put so much work into building is worth the one year gamble. Share 1 logical reason why Jerry is better off in any way by not winning.

 

[Chuck 54]

I'm just the opposite.
And It's funny you mention the Giants because they are what you said you don't want to become.
After that last SB and the fluke 2016 playoff season, check all their regular season records leading up to last year, and their one fluke 2016. They were like top 3 in losing.

They HAVE been a cellar dweller for a decade prior to last year. Numerous GMs and coaches fired.
Like I said, up until last year.
But as for me, I would take every bit of the criticism/ridicule for that long if I was able to respond with "BUT...we won the SB in 2012," so there's that.

I don't grasp being "almost" good enough and settling for that as the standard for my team.
IF THAT seems to be the ceiling that your team has reached, and with this team it most assuredly is, THEN major changes in coaching and personnel philosophy need to change in order to get past being "almost" good enough.
Much less a GM change, but that's it's own separate topic of conversation here.

jmo

They Giants won the SB with a wild card team vs the best team in football that year, which supports my idea that you are better off being competitive and trying to pull a Landry with 17 consecutive playoff seasons even though he only won twice….better than signing every big name free agent in hopes of one championship that you may or may not win. That’s a bad move if you mortgage the future with dead money and declining free agents when you can’t resign your best draft picks when they approach free agency.

The Giants didn’t fall off because they had signed a bunch of overpaid free agents in a one year, all in, gamble. The Giants fell off because they had many years of poor drafting and poor front office decisions, not because they pushed all their chips in on one season.