Reminder: Michael Irvin on Tony Romo

[Bleu Star]

And which guys would that be?

Ben, Brady, Eli... to name a few...

 

[SLATEmosphere]

absolutely. But I am talking about the offense as a whole. I think that big barber run was a check. Either way, the team was composed and did what they had to.

The other side of the ball, not so much. And it has been that way for awhile.

That end of 3rd quarter pick when we're up 24-20 at the 50 yard line is just burning my brain right now. Absolutly no need to throw that.

 

[CF74]

But he had a bad game, so he must go.

It's Garrett's fault for not pulling back on the reigns when our guy is having an off night. The run was working quite well, the pass, not so much. Coughlin protects Eli by running the ball, Garrett just keeps trying when it's clearly not working. Insanity....:bang2: :bang2:


Run the freaking ball more!!!:bang2: :bang2:

 

[Bleu Star]

It's Garrett's fault for not pulling back on the reigns when our guy is having an off night. The run was working quite well, the pass, not so much. Coughlin protects Eli by running the ball, Garrett just keeps trying when it's clearly not working. Insanity....:bang2: :bang2:


Run the freaking ball more!!!:bang2: :bang2:

I think we were all calling for a huge dose of the run coming out of the locker room in the 2nd half. They didn't do it and they paid for it. We were killing the Gnats on the ground.

 

[theebs]

That end of 3rd quarter pick when we're up 24-20 at the 50 yard line is just burning my brain right now. Absolutly no need to throw that.

nope there just wasnt. Especially with roy williams in the locker room getting an iv and 22 seconds left in the quarter.

I understand the concept of play action and going deep, but not at that moment. Seemed like a bad call followed up by a bad decision.

The difference is when ben r, donovan mcnabb and tom brady have done that, and they have many times, the defense goes and makes a stop.

Here that is not the case.

 

[ctalker]

yep, And romo hit witten on a huge third and 8 with 3 minutes to go. The whole offense was composed, focused and confident. They generally reflect the guy that runs their offense on a day to day basis.

Where was that guy the other 55 minutes?

 

[AdamJT13]

Ben, Brady, Eli... to name a few...

So now you're comparing Romo to Brady?

Eli had one good playoff run but is 0-3 with a 48.4 pass rating in his other three playoff appearances. Roethlisberger has been knocked out of the playoffs twice because of three-interception games.

Like I said, no matter which quarterback you pick, they're all going to have bad games occasionally, even in big games. Romo has them, too, but not any more often than just about everyone else.

 

[Randy White]

the record looks good, the stats look pretty, and the alternative(s) are basically out of the question, BUT:

At some point the STUPIDITY has to stop. At some point the maturing process must end and start paying dividends. At some point he needs to stop thinking like a developing QB and start acting like a developed one. At some point he must become Troy Aikman/Roger Staubach and leave Brett Favre behind. If that's his personality, then CHANGE IT !

The 2 interceptions were plain STUPID ( the one off the foot of Witten was a joke ). They weren't forced, he wasn't being pressured, the receivers did not run wrong routes, the defensive players didn't make spectacular plays. He DID NOT have to throw them. But he did. He did because he THOUGHT he could zip the ball in tight spaces instead of thinking if he SHOULD. He thought he could make a " big play " instead of thinking if he should. And yes, there's a difference. Troy Aikman knew the difference most of the time. Roger Staubach as well. And the difference is this:

While both ( Roger and Troy ) could make the ball fit just like Tony could, and they always thought about making the big play themselves, they DID NOT try it because they thought. They thought about the benefit, they thought about the pit fall, and in the end, like all leaders' instint scream at them to do, they made the right decision.

That's Tony's problem.

Sure, he'll say the right things, sure he'll genuinely feel bad, and he'll probably come back next week and put on an a terrific show, but until he stops thinking like a " cowboy " and starts acting like a " leader ", we'll see this types of games again, and we'll see them in December, and we'll keep missing our goal.

Do I want him gone ? Absurd. There's absolutely NO alternative. The franchise is married to him for, at least, the next 2 years and that's on a wing and a prayer hoping that McGee is the next " chosen one ", which in reality it means: there's no alternative.

What I want him to do is to GROW UP. I want him to stop losing games because of STUPID decisions like the ones he made tonight. I want him to, finally, become a true leader of players and not just another pretty stat producer.

 

[Bleu Star]

So now you're comparing Romo to Brady?

Eli had one good playoff run but is 0-3 with a 48.4 pass rating in his other three playoff appearances. Roethlisberger has been knocked out of the playoffs twice because of three-interception games.

Like I said, no matter which quarterback you pick, they're all going to have bad games occasionally, even in big games. Romo has them, too, but not any more often than just about everyone else.

Has Romo had the good games that they've had yet? Negative. Will he? Like most others, I will wait and see. I have no choice.

 

[AdamJT13]

It's Garrett's fault for not pulling back on the reigns when our guy is having an off night. The run was working quite well, the pass, not so much. Coughlin protects Eli by running the ball, Garrett just keeps trying when it's clearly not working.

The Giants passed more than 61 percent of the time. We passed 50.8 percent of the time.

When not in the two-minute offense, the Giants passed 55.4 percent of the time, and we passed 44 percent of the time.

After Romo's first interception, and when we weren't in the two-minute offense, we passed only 37 percent of the time. And several of those passes came on third-and-long.

Unless you want us running the ball every play in the two-minute offense and on third-and-long, I'd say Garrett pulled back on the reigns quite a bit.

 

[windward]

The Giants passed more than 61 percent of the time. We passed 50.8 percent of the time.

When not in the two-minute offense, the Giants passed 55.4 percent of the time, and we passed 44 percent of the time.

After Romo's first interception, and when we weren't in the two-minute offense, we passed only 37 percent of the time. And several of those passes came on third-and-long.

Unless you want us running the ball every play in the two-minute offense and on third-and-long, I'd say Garrett pulled back on the reigns quite a bit.

:fact:

 

[AdamJT13]

Has Romo had the good games that they've had yet? Negative.

Romo has played well in plenty of important games -- Giants last year, Eagles last year, Packers last year, Giants twice in 2007, Commanders in 2007, Eagles in 2007, Packers in 2007, Colts in 2006. All of them were big games, Romo played well in all of them, and we won all of them.

 

[mmohican29]

I have to ask what happened to the intermediate passing attack? Romo is deadly from 0-25 yds. Anything more and you are asking for trouble. This team has the running game to complement his skill set. Garrett MUST USE THE RUNNING GAME for this team to have a chance to be good.

The defense is so hit and miss I have no idea what to expect series to series.

I will say this for our zillion dollar defense: if the opposing team has the ball with two minutes left and a time out trailing by one, I EXPECT the Cowboys to get beat. If the opposing team has the ball with two minutes left and one time out and trails by six, I EXPECT the Cowboys to get beat.


Does anyone here really think the Giants wouldn't have scored a TD if trailing by six after we went in for the go ahead score with 2:05 left against this defense. It was a foregone conclusion.

This defense has zero pass rush and no secondary. None. And it has a choke/fail score of 100%. *** is going on??? You might say as I did coming out of the game well the Run D was really good. Would the defense stop the run in a big spot? I give you the TX Stadium version of the party crash: the Baltimore game.


It's sickening. Man I'd take the effort the Chiefs had today over our unit. Or the Raiders. They at least make plays here and again. This team DOES NOT MAKE PLAYS ON DEFENSE- EVER.

 

[kramskoi]

I said it in another thread. I will say it again. This group of guys on offense are fighters, they play for 60 minutes. After all the crap, some bad luck, some bad plays the offense had the ball with 7 minutes to go needing a touchdown. Romo hits witten on a huge third down and they go and score.

this offense always has its composure and it neve quits. Like the seattle playoff game for instance, romo not only led 1 drive to get us in scoring position, thanks to the witten fumble he actually did it twice in the fourth quarter.

the defense is handed a first and 20 and do not even force the giants to need 4th down to keep going. Its the same old same old. All the prima donnas are on defense, all the money, the head coach's specialty. And we lose with the defense on the field.

The secondary played a game tonight that looked straight out of dave campo's playbook via the late 90s and early 00's.

as long as the offense has to account for the defense they will be aggressive and take chances. And chance is a horrible game to play.

...i can appreciate your opinion but the offense had 3 turnovers sunday night, rather Tony Romo had three...you are'nt honestly going to make me believe that the defense is the cause of Romo's horrid play...please tell me you're kidding...this guy continues to be sloppy and careless with the football...up 24-20 at the Giants 46 and remind me again how it went?...sure the ball ticked off Witten's cleats but who threw behind him?...when you give the ball up the way that they did of course you have to play for sixty minutes...you keep shooting yourself in the foot...

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

Nah. Not at all. I know it won't happen every time. I strongly believe Romo will have some really good games. Unfortunately they will continually be overshadowed by games like this (often during pivotal games). This will happen no more than 30% of the time but that will be a season determining 30% more often than not. He will put up great stats though. No doubt... I want to rally around the guy so badly but trusting him is becoming increasingly difficult when force fed games like this. Let me also add that he is not solely to blame. The Defense is a monumental FAIL.

Agreed. He can make the big play, but will make the errant easy through and cost his team. Eli outplayed him with less to throw to. Pathetic. Obviously TO made Romo look good, not the other way around.

 

[sk0aL]

But he had a bad game, so he must go.

As I see it, the problem most people as well as myself have with Tony is his inability to learn from his mistakes. He doesn't stop and think. When we were up by 4 and running the ball down the Giants throat, only to have him try to go for the homerun just killed us. We went from having a potential 11 point lead to down by 3. He just can't continue to make those gaffes.

Don't get me wrong, I love Romo and want him to succeed, but the fact this will be his 4th full season as a starter and he still makes rookie mistakes like that is what has a lot of people nervous.

 

[Monster Heel]

These are exactly the kind of garbage stats that make it easy to bury your head in the sand in regards to Romo. I don't have any confidence in the guy. I can't imagine fans of other teams with a QB that's supposed to be so good feel that way. I expect him to throw an interception at some point on almost every drive, but at least he's avoided the dreaded fumbles thus far. Like so many other players on the team I want so badly for my brain and heart to have it all wrong, but maybe they don't.

 

[cowboyjoe]

You'd bet your gonads that will happen every time huh?

Well, I won't.

I understand what your saying Hostile about what Irvin said and Romo. Yet, look at it this way. In a smalll way this was a big game, this was home field, a win would have given you the lead in the NFC East in your own division.

Now, that is gone.

I dont blame Romo for all the mistakes though, there was plenty to go around. What i will do is put the blame on players that had more than one or 2 mistakes. Romo had more than one, I think we all agree with that.

In big games when it matters to a degree Romo falls short. The seattle game, the ravens game, the pittsburgh game last year, the playoff game against the Giants in 2007. Look at that history!

At the same time, I have no ideal what Newman was taking or on, but he had one of his worst games ever.

Then, look at Flozell, we had a first down with the crayton catch, but Flozell does a stupid mistake, very dump penalty.

Then, look at crayton, all week long he ran his mouth off to a degree. Then, when he has a big catch that he should have caught the touchdown, the ball goes through his hands. Granted, we still scored, but when big catches seem to be needed by crayton he doesnt step up. One particular pass play, not sure if route ran correctly or not, but romo is harrased and has to get rid of the ball, crayton and another wr are still running deep route, not trying to break free to come to daylight coming back for the ball.

So, really we gave this game away in mistakes, we beat ourselves.

Now, lets look at the new york jets. They have a new coach, a relative new defense, but they harrased Brady all day long, sacked him etc. Did we sack Eli any last night Hostile. Where was spencer on sacks since ware was double teamed and triple teamed? This famed 3rd year under wade, where was all the top dog blitzing. I think you would agree with me, the last series on offense by the giants, we didnt blitz and eli marched right down the field for the game score.

Where in the heck was the famed big bad defense? Yet, most of the time, we were in our base defense, why?

If rex ryan can turn the jets defense now into a top pass rushing, blitzing defense, why cant our players do that? I think you know where I am going with that, (I didnt run the blitz packages in the preseason and training camp because i didnt want to get players hurt-and now we are suffering on defense because of that what wade said last week after poor defensive play on run defense.) Now the cowboys are trying to play catch up on defensive play on run defense and pass defense.

So, enough of mistakes were made last night. I am mad, hurt, disallushioned, ticked off at romo, newman and a few other players.

I am not saying get rid of romo, that is dumb, silly and stupid to do. But accountability must be made of these players,they must be accountable. Answer for their poor playing, mistakes, poor tackling. You have to address why they are making the mistakes and fix them, just saying dont do it again or you had a bad game doesnt correct the mistakes. Players have to be accountable.

 

[Nav22]

I'm so glad this thread exists right now. I was starting to think I was crazy for still being a Romo supporter, after reading all the ridiculous anti-Romo stuff in other threads.

There isn't a QB alive who doesn't have bad games. Tom Brady sucked today. Ditto Big Ben.

Peyton Manning had THREE STRAIGHT poor performances in the playoffs, but his D stepped up allowing Indy to win all three games. He then went onto winning the Super Bowl and being named MVP.

Everyone needs to watch Romo's Press Conference. He owned up to his poor game 100% and put the loss squarely on his own shoulders. He also vowed to learn from his mistakes and get better. He is every bit the "leader" we need at the position. And he's still a pretty damn good QB.

I'm just as upset by this loss as anyone else. And, like Romo himself, I'm putting the majority of this L squarely on #9's shoulders.

But how often does Romo "cost" us games? Any more than the other top tier QBs in this league? Get serious, people. If he was a "choker", we wouldn't have taken the lead with 3:40 left.

 

[tunahelper]

I dont think Romo should go by any means, but to also compare Romo and Eli career progression is failed logic. Eli was not at the level Romo was after a couple years into their careers, yet Romo still commits idiotic plays that cost his team games. Is he is not learning from previous losses? Wha did he talk about all off season? Protecting the ball.

I am not overreacting to the loss this symptom showed up all last year and the year before. The OL played good and the running game was electric, somehow Romo could not manage consisent throws? He has not shown the ability to consisently play well against good teams in big games.
It must be proven now because benefit of doubt and young QB excuse is over.