Report: DE Greg Hardy will not return to Panthers - Charges Dismissed 02/09/15

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[CowboysFaninHouston]

This team desperately needs a player like this production wise.

we have worked hard to get rid of bad character players from the team. Hardy will bring a big baggge with him, perhaps he will get acquitted in the legal courts. his girl friend probably dropping charges (i.e. as much as I hate to say it, millions of dollars at stake will change people like ray rice and his wife). But the legal courts don't matter. its the court of public opinions, and the media circus and the unnecessary attention. I don't think I want him on the team, as talented as he may be.

 

[Stash]

Here's what else the NFL's been using in their evaluations:

 

[Stash]

we have worked hard to get rid of bad character players from the team. Hardy will bring a big baggge with him, perhaps he will get acquitted in the legal courts. his girl friend probably dropping charges (i.e. as much as I hate to say it, millions of dollars at stake will change people like ray rice and his wife). But the legal courts don't matter. its the court of public opinions, and the media circus and the unnecessary attention. I don't think I want him on the team, as talented as he may be.

I can understand the concern, but other than this incident, whatever it actually was, he doesn't have a history of being a bad person.

In his defense, this could simply be a case of getting hooked up with the wrong woman too.

 

[MagicMan]

I mean its not like he was driving drunk and killed som.....uh, oh never mind. Just saying there aren't all choirboys in the NFL..

Dallas FO should speak to all parties involved and the NFL, and then make a decision; but not automatically exclude the guy from playing in Dallas.

 

[Nation]

Pretty odd twist to the story with prosecution unable to locate the woman, including using surveillance video, after an alleged financial settlement. Scenes from a movie almost.

 

[DCBoysfan]

I don't see Hardy in Dallas regaurdless of what the league does, teams like ATL, Tampa Bay etc. are gonna throw a boat load of money at him. I don't Dallas see giving out massive contracts like that.

 

[tyke1doe]

I don't see how they could.

They'd find themselves in court yet again, which is the last thing the league needs right now.

Find themselves in court for what? He basically settled a case, which seems to imply he was guilty or that he had some responsibility in this situation.

Anyway, I hope we don't sign him. We don't need the baggage.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Find themselves in court for what? He basically settled a case, which seems to imply he was guilty or that he had some responsibility in this situation.

Anyway, I hope we don't sign him. We don't need the baggage.

From a legal perspective he didn't settle. The charges were dismissed.

 

[tyke1doe]

From a legal perspective he didn't settle. The charges were dismissed.

I was operating from the perspective that he settled the case. If the charges were dismissed, that's a different ball game altogether, pardon the pun.

 

[Mansta54]

Sign him Jerry, he's exactly what our Dline needs. We need some doggs on our D. Everybody can't be a boy scout.

 

[Stash]

Find themselves in court for what? He basically settled a case, which seems to imply he was guilty or that he had some responsibility in this situation.

The same ridiculous, inconsistent, non-negotiated nonsense they were in court for on Friday. An awful behavior policy that's still a disgrace for a multi-billion dollar industry. And actually he didn't officially settle, the plaintiff no-showed.

If he was found not guilty in court, he's not guilty. The NFL making any attempt to claim otherwise will lead them directly to the next embarrassment, the next black eye, and the next lawsuit.

Anyway, I hope we don't sign him. We don't need the baggage.

I can respect that position.

 

[tyke1doe]

The same ridiculous, inconsistent, non-negotiated nonsense they were in court for on Friday. An awful behavior policy that's still a disgrace for a multi-billion dollar industry. And actually he didn't officially settle, the plaintiff no-showed.

If he was found not guilty in court, he's not guilty. The NFL making any attempt to claim otherwise will lead them directly to the next embarrassment, the next black eye, and the next lawsuit.

Again, my comment was predicated on the fact there was a settlement. If the case was dismissed, then my point is moot.

 

[Stash]

Again, my comment was predicated on the fact there was a settlement. If the case was dismissed, then my point is moot.

Ah, OK.

But you still vote "No" on a potential signing, correct?

 

[speedkilz88]

Again, my comment was predicated on the fact there was a settlement. If the case was dismissed, then my point is moot.

Any "settlement" was financial. And that is speculative.

 

[Idgit]

This is bizarre though. She's been unavailable since November? And I'm not familiar enough to know what's permissible behavior for a witness to a criminal trial. Can you just 'not make yourself available' if you don't want to testify? Or can they make you go up, but just don't if they expect you to be uncooperative?

Nicole Holder, Hardy’s ex-girlfriend, told prosecutors she did not want to go through another trial after Hardy’s initial conviction last year, District Attorney Andrew Murray said in a statement Monday as jury selection was about to get underway at the Mecklenbury County Courthouse.

Since November, efforts to contact Holder and serve her with a subpoena have been fruitless, Murray said, despite “extraordinary measures” that included police staking out the addresses where she was believed to be living and appeals to relatives to have her come forward. Murray said that he understood Holder had reached an independent settlement with Hardy.

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/20...ens-with-jury.html#.VNjvrVtZv7U#storylink=cpy

In any event, this is the kind of stuff that goes on with sports reporting. Apparently, a key detail like the primary witness for the prosecution disappearing for four months somehow goes unreported, all why speculation goes on about the player and his involvement in accusations that are never fully explained to the public. We draw conclusions based on hugely important missing facts and on who's winning a particular PR battle or which local member of the media needs or wants a story to spin in one direction or another. Meanwhile, whatever's actually really going on is happening mostly behind the scenes.

I have no idea what's really real in this Hardy case at this point. All I know is that I don't trust most of what I"m reading about it. And when stuff like todays' dismissal happens, it just confirms for me that that's probably the best course of action.

 

[tyke1doe]

Ah, OK.

But you still vote "No" on a potential signing, correct?

Yes. I don't want Hardy. Too much off-field baggage.

 

[tyke1doe]

Any "settlement" was financial. And that is speculative.

But a "settlement" means the two parties came to an agreement that to solve the matter out of court is better than solving the matter in court. There's still an implication that the defendant is somewhat culpable.

 

[speedkilz88]

But a "settlement" means the two parties came to an agreement that to solve the matter out of court is better than solving the matter in court. There's still an implication that the defendant is somewhat culpable.

But it isn't linked with the actual trial that was dismissed. And although the DA can throw that out there it is speculative. Nobody knows for sure if there was a settlement.

 

[tyke1doe]

But it isn't linked with the actual trial that was dismissed. And although the DA can throw that out there it is speculative. Nobody knows for sure if there was a settlement.

I understand what you're saying. I don't know whether there's a settlement or not. My comments were predicated on a settlement. Since there appears to be no settlement, my point is moot.