Report: Kyle Orton told Cowboys he wants to retire

[Chocolate Lab]

They didn't give up on Cole Beasley when he walked out of practice....
How poor is that?

Little difference between a young confused kid just entering the league and a worn-out old vet whose heart isn't in it anymore.

Not to mention their cap numbers. We can save quite a bit of money by getting rid of Orton. Beasley was a UDFA who didn't even register.

 

[Doomsday101]

Little difference between a young confused kid just entering the league and a worn-out old vet whose heart isn't in it anymore.

Not to mention their cap numbers. We can save quite a bit of money by getting rid of Orton. Beasley was a UDFA who didn't even register.

and Dallas has covered themselves in case he does retire. What I am unsure of is the differance of cutting him or him retiring. If Dallas cuts him is the money still saved or is it saved if Orton retires? Cowboys have said if he retires he loses out but unsure if that applies if released.

 

[guag]

and Dallas has covered themselves in case he does retire. What I am unsure of is the differance of cutting him or him retiring. If Dallas cuts him is the money still saved or is it saved if Orton retires? Cowboys have said if he retires he loses out but unsure if that applies if released.

Don't know his exact cap numbers by any means, but I imagine that we'd be close to breaking even, or possibly save a little money, if we cut him. I think he's got a $3-3.5 base salary, and whatever's left of his bonus would eat into that if he's cut. So maybe we'd be around $1 million in the green? Again, not sure exactly.

 

[Doomsday101]

Don't know his exact cap numbers by any means, but I imagine that we'd be close to breaking even, or possibly save a little money, if we cut him. I think he's got a $3-3.5 base salary, and whatever's left of his bonus would eat into that if he's cut. So maybe we'd be around $1 million in the green? Again, not sure exactly.

It may be again I don't know. I know Jerry has cut players before with big contract and we take the hit. I have to assume that Orton retiring over cutting him would be more in our favor. I don't think Dallas is unprepaired for it which is why Weeden and Hani were signed.

 

[Joe Realist]

Orton told the liquor store clerk, " My heart is just not in it. I'm going to retire, grow my neck beard and enjoy some hunting "

 

[jterrell]

There are no "winners" here. I cannot imagine Orton paying back $3M for the "right" to retire, nor do I see the Cowboys getting a player worth having if his head is not into playing.

I imagine they are waiting it out to see if he reports, but even if he does, why would you want a player who does not want to play? And pay him for it?

Honestly, he is the one who decides. There is no way the team comes out on top unless he does something that practically nobody would do.

In a lot of ways Dallas has already won.
They picked up Weeden for peanuts as the back up.
They've let Orton twist and he either shows, gets fined and starts losing money or retires and pays back some money freeing up a significant amount of cap space.

Dallas paid Orton for a situation like last year and he wasn't good enough to do the job.
They'd probably love to see him retire.

In a game of chicken Dallas wins. Orton has to spend the TC/pre-season as a Cowboy or retire.
They've got no reason to cut him before those labors.
Football is a hard, hard game and if you're head isn't in it you almost have to walk away.
I am sure Orton would like a Waters situation where he could join a team after camp as a back up but that isn't Dallas.

He probably could find that situation with a contender but he'd have to pay Dallas back some cash first and likely only gets the vet minimum wherever he goes.

 

[LucaBrasi]

They didn't give up on Cole Beasley when he walked out of practice....
How poor is that?

Cole Beasley was a 22 year old kid, who took his ball home because he wasnt getting enough reps. Good job by the organization. Orton is a 31 year old backup qb who has made millions and is trying to extract more money from Jerry. I wonder what his motives are.

But Orton and Beasley's situations could not be more different. If you think this organization is run well, congratulations.

 

[jazzcat22]

Cole Beasley was a 22 year old kid, who took his ball home because he wasnt getting enough reps. Good job by the organization. Orton is a 31 year old backup qb who has made millions and is trying to extract more money from Jerry. I wonder what his motives are.

But Orton and Beasley's situations could not be more different. If you think this organization is run well, congratulations.

Not saying it's ran well, but it's not ran as poorly as it seems you think it is either.
And money and experience is the only difference here. It should not matter. But since money motivates and forms peoples opinions more so than other concerns, I'm not surprised.
I won't try to explain it, as it won't matter anyway.

 

[Idgit]

I wouldn't. His problem was protecting the football.

As much as I hate the coaching job hat has been done with Tony Romo you gotta give the Cowboys coaches credit for protecting the football better.

That is Weedens problem. He is a talented passer and if he learns to make smarter decisions with the football he could do well here if we needed him for a stretch.

I'm actually intrigued to see how Weeden plays in the preseason. He's a career backup now, but might end up being a pretty good one.

On Orton, I sort of agree with the consensus, but I will say, the guy has reportedly been working his way out of the league from the point where he took the backup gig in Dallas when there were jobs like the one in WAS wide open. I'm not sure how much has changed during his time here. Very possibly, he's a guy who's capable of playing decent football even with his heart not completely in it. He definitely lets us play our full passing game when he comes in in a backup role...that's pretty important. Nobody else we play in his stead would let us do that. If we rolled out Weeden in week 17 last year, we'd be running the ball and trusting to our defense rather than throwing it as much as we did, for example.

In any event, I think the guy ends up coming back for one more season. At least, he's in camp and we get to see how he plays compared to Weeden and make our decision then.

 

[bark]

Would like to know what's in Orton's head, but it's probably not football. I always wonder what sours someone who has been so absorbed and driven to success at a high level. Like every other player, he's been all in since he was a kid; maybe it's just burn-out, but I bet there's a more interesting story there.

I never really understood why he agreed to come here and just sit behind tony for 3yrs. I get the money but most want at least a shot to compete for a starting gig.

 

[bark]

I'm actually intrigued to see how Weeden plays in the preseason. He's a career backup now, but might end up being a pretty good one.

On Orton, I sort of agree with the consensus, but I will say, the guy has reportedly been working his way out of the league from the point where he took the backup gig in Dallas when there were jobs like the one in WAS wide open. I'm not sure how much has changed during his time here. Very possibly, he's a guy who's capable of playing decent football even with his heart not completely in it. He definitely lets us play our full passing game when he comes in in a backup role...that's pretty important. Nobody else we play in his stead would let us do that. If we rolled out Weeden in week 17 last year, we'd be running the ball and trusting to our defense rather than throwing it as much as we did, for example.

In any event, I think the guy ends up coming back for one more season. At least, he's in camp and we get to see how he plays compared to Weeden and make our decision then.

Sorry idg. Didn't see ur post on this but yea basically my exact thoughts on Orton

 

[DFWJC]

I never really understood why he agreed to come here and just sit behind tony for 3yrs. I get the money but most want at least a shot to compete for a starting gig.

I think what went down in Denver messed him up pretty good.

How he's acting now seems to fit well with why he was willing to take decent money to just be a backup.

 

[dfense]

Rappaport, and it's unsourced, but it's more concrete than we'd heard reported previously, anyway. Take it for what it's worth.


http://nfltraderumors.co/report-kyle-orton-has-told-the-cowboys-he-wants-to-retire/

Hard to figure why anybody would just walk away from 3 million for very little work. All he would have to do is run the scout team in practice and basically collect a check. Is anyone that well off that they can just toss 3 million out the window like that? I mean, 3mil would pay for his kids kids college and the kids kids kids college. wow.

 

[BigStar]

Get that drunk surfer off the team already...he signed to NOT play (specifically). Dude has already checked out.

 

[DFWJC]

I think Orton's cap hit this year would be a whopping $4.377 million.

Some are forgetting that he was restructured last year.

For Dallas save cap hit, he needs to retire. I'm not quite sure what the cap hit savings (which is all I care about) would be if we cut him.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/kyle-orton/

 

[Bullflop]

I keep hearing 3M, but he received a 5M signing bonus and played 2 years. That should leave 1/3 of 5M that he has not earned or about 1.6M.

I totally agree and I made a similar point on another website today. The FO should work out a settlement with him and his agent to arrive at an amount to settle that would be amenable to both parties. This waiting each other out is accomplishing nothing but wasting time. Holding one another hostage over the guaranteed money is counterproductive. Even if Orton were to return he'd be nothing more than an unwilling participant who would likely underperform. Neither party would win in that scenario. If they can't arrive at a settlement agreeable to both, only then should the legal process enter the picture. Let 'em settle it rationally instead of playing this nonsensical waiting game. That's my take on it.

 

[Gameover]

Translation: I want to play(start somewhere) and I think I'm better than the starter(here).

 

[guag]

Hard to figure why anybody would just walk away from 3 million for very little work. All he would have to do is run the scout team in practice and basically collect a check. Is anyone that well off that they can just toss 3 million out the window like that? I mean, 3mil would pay for his kids kids college and the kids kids kids college. wow.

Training camp is a hell of a thing to go through for someone who just wants to coast as a backup.

 

[DFWJC]

Hard to figure why anybody would just walk away from 3 million for very little work. All he would have to do is run the scout team in practice and basically collect a check. Is anyone that well off that they can just toss 3 million out the window like that? I mean, 3mil would pay for his kids kids college and the kids kids kids college. wow.

I think he's earned a lot over his career and he does not at all seem like a big spender.
My guess is that he is set already. If his heart's not in it, it actually the honorable thing to not play vs taking a roster sport, the almost free money, or an opportunity for someone who is dreaming of this chance.

 

[DallasEast]

Translation: I want to play(start somewhere) and I think I'm better than the starter(here).

Then he shouldn't update his resume with his final quarter performance versus Philadelphia.

If this is how he really feels, I wonder why he signed a multi-year contract? He could have held a clipboard and evaluated where his career was headed this year without strings.