Report: Manziel was highest rated player on Cowboys board at time of pick

[casmith07]

who says you have to follow your board right off a cliff?

Fans that want to ride shotgun in Manziel's jock. It's just confirmation bias.

He's not even that good.

 

[OriginalNameGuy]

We have a ton of money tied to our starting QB who also happens to be a terrific player.

On top of that, we have far greater needs elsewhere that must be addressed if we want any chance at making noise in the immediate future.

What part of that is difficult to understand? It's not rocket science.

It's difficult to understand because Tony is 34 years old and had two back surgeries recently. There would be nothing wrong with drafting Johnny and letting him sit. Aaron Rodgers sat behind Brett for a few years and things worked pretty well for them. QBs getting drafted and sitting used to be the norm in this league its only until recent times that they are expected to play immediately. You draft Johnny in round one(best player available) and with the rest of your picks address the team needs.

 

[Carolina Cowboy]

I have had the exact same back injury and surgery so I speak from experience.

The issue isn't necessarily the injury / surgery itself; you can do crazy hard / impact things with it one day and the next bend over to tie your shoe and BAM your down for a week, or two. You just never know when it is going to happen, or why. BTW I suffer from the same issue.

 

[SDCowboy]

Taking him would have made no sense with Romo still here. Building the oline for the remainder of Romo's career and for the eventual new QB makes way more sense. It's not even close.

 

[cml750]

The issue isn't necessarily the injury / surgery itself; you can do crazy hard / impact things with it one day and the next bend over to tie your shoe and BAM your down for a week, or two. You just never know when it is going to happen, or why. BTW I suffer from the same issue.

I know exactly what you are talking about.

 

[DanTanna]

We need to wait until Romo is totally crushed and in a wheelchair before we find his replacement. That's how we did it when Aikman left and if you remember there was a smooth transition to our next winning QB.

 

[burmafrd]

What the scouts did on the board was rate Manzeil as potential to play QB in the NFL. They do NOT factor in the circus atmosphere and EVERYTHING ELSE that would have come along with that pick.

The Boys took a long look at all that and said no. Right decision.

 

[Carolina Cowboy]

The surgery was a laminectomy without a fusion. I had it in 2003 and was 34 at the time. I was back at work in 2 months but never close to 100% and am still not. I had a second ruptured disc in 2010 and had to have another laminectomy on a different disc with just about the same results. The surgeries helped me no doubt and I was much better than I was pre-surgeries but never close to as good as I was pre-injuries. I am a chemist, so my work is not anywhere close to what an NFL QB goes through daily.

Sitting is the worst thing in the world for a back. At least that's what my neuro said to me.

 

[DanteEXT]

I don't care if he was at the top and they skipped him for BPA in an area they feel was a more pressing need. But WHY would you tell anyone that?

 

[Aikmaniac]

Section444, post: 5539912, member: 21564"]And one of the worst contracts in NFL history continues to haunt us.[/quote]

How so? That defense doesn't concern you?

 

[Bleu Star]

I don't care if he was at the top and they skipped him for BPA in an area they feel was a more pressing need. But WHY would you tell anyone that?

Because you're Jerry Jones and you have no filter.....

I would have preferred not to hear that. It just pisses me off to know that we side stepped BPA on our board to placate Tony's ego/back injury/ridiculous contract. You can always use a lineman but our oline is pretty solid "as is" today. Our more pressing need is on the defensive line and I would have been MUCH happier knowing we did something in the first round to get someone like Donald vs sitting there and just grabbing another OL. It would have made more sense to me if we had shown distinct signs of making plans to truly change our offensive philosophy to focus more in on the run this year. Last time I checked, the trainee is still the HC. The move baffles me. Solid OL. Not the best pick at 16. If you're going to prematurely flatulate in the 2nd round, why not go bigger and do it in the 1st round to move up and get Donald?

 

[DallasEast]

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[ElGatoGrande]

The Cowboys overrated Manziel and thought they were going to get killer trade offers for that #16 pick,,,, that might have been a reason they didn't trade up to go after Donald. . They sure looked sad when their phone wasn't ringing

 

[cml750]

Because you're Jerry Jones and you have no filter.....

I would have preferred not to hear that. It just pisses me off to know that we side stepped BPA on our board to placate Tony's ego/back injury/ridiculous contract. You can always use a lineman but our oline is pretty solid "as is" today. Our more pressing need is on the defensive line and I would have been MUCH happier knowing we did something in the first round to get someone like Donald vs sitting there and just grabbing another OL. It would have made more sense to me if we had shown distinct signs of making plans to truly change our offensive philosophy to focus more in on the run this year. Last time I checked, the trainee is still the HC. The move baffles me. Solid OL. Not the best pick at 16. If you're going to prematurely flatulate in the 2nd round, why not go bigger and do it in the 1st round to move up and get Donald?

Exactly!!! I would have been much happier if they moved up for Donald. I believe a lot of people would have been happy. The people complaining we didn't take Manziel would have been very few if that happened. The reason so many complain we didn't take Manziel is that o-line was not really a need and since all of our defensive 1st round targets were gone it would have made way more sense to take the potential franchise QB who was sitting there especially when he is your highest rated player and your current QB has injury / age concerns. This is a real head scratcher.

 

[cml750]

Sitting is the worst thing in the world for a back. At least that's what my neuro said to me.

The thing that bothers me the most is standing. I can sit or walk all day but if I have to stand in one place more than few minutes it kills me. I used to run 3 - 5 miles a day before my back issues started. There is no way I could run now like I used to.

 

[Bleu Star]

The thing that bothers me the most is standing. I can sit or walk all day but if I have to stand in one place more than few minutes it kills me. I used to run 3 - 5 miles a day before my back issues started. There is no way I could run now like I used to.

Just our of curiosity, do you know what caused your back injury? The reason I ask is because I run 3 miles a day 4 to 5 times a week and I am curious as to whether or not your injury was tied to the running. Also, do you run lesser distances now post surgery or have you given up running altogether?

 

[burmafrd]

Because you're Jerry Jones and you have no filter.....

I would have preferred not to hear that. It just pisses me off to know that we side stepped BPA on our board to placate Tony's ego/back injury/ridiculous contract. You can always use a lineman but our oline is pretty solid "as is" today. Our more pressing need is on the defensive line and I would have been MUCH happier knowing we did something in the first round to get someone like Donald vs sitting there and just grabbing another OL. It would have made more sense to me if we had shown distinct signs of making plans to truly change our offensive philosophy to focus more in on the run this year. Last time I checked, the trainee is still the HC. The move baffles me. Solid OL. Not the best pick at 16. If you're going to prematurely flatulate in the 2nd round, why not go bigger and do it in the 1st round to move up and get Donald?

oh bs, just another excuse for romo haters to blame him for something. Now its all Romo's fault that Jerruh passed on Manziel- according to you Romo was on the phone crying and whining not to take Johnny Football.

 

[zack]

If they gave another top QB drop to them, they should take him. I don't expect Jerry to take a top QB prospect next year either. I expect a solid 5th round project will be drafted and sold as a developmental QB to the fanbase. The so-called circus that JF would have brought to town is business as usual in Dallas. JF has been exposed to the hype and if anything , it is good preparation for the spotlight in Dallas. It is no concern to me at this point. Jerry will keep the headlines going with or without JF. I would have felt the same way about any other top QB dropping because I am not really a JF follower. It is the future at QB that concerns me.

It would have been out of control! Much more than anything to date IMO. Romo is a very low key guy and the media goes above and beyond to keep him in the headlines. The guy goes to a college basketball game and the team loses and the blame him? Seriously!

JF would have been a media nightmare! I'm so pleased we avoided that distraction.

 

[cml750]

Just our of curiosity, do you know what caused your back injury? The reason I ask is because I run 3 miles a day 4 to 5 times a week and I am curious as to whether or not your injury was tied to the running. Also, do you run lesser distances now post surgery or have you given up running altogether?

The first "real" job I ever had was throwing bales of synthetic rubber in boxes at the plant where one of the major tire companies makes most of their rubber. The bales of rubber were 80 lbs. and I did this on 12 hour rotating shift work for three years before moving to the laboratory. While I was throwing the rubber I had no issues and my back was fine as far as I knew. About 10 years later I started having back issues and while I have no way of proving it, I believe the repetitive motion of the rubber throwing job caused me to have bulging disc at L3-L4, L4-L5, & L5-S1. Two of those disc have since ruptured and had to be surgically repaired. I suspect I will be having a 3rd surgery one of these days.

I ran in my teens and 20's religiously without any issues. When I was 30 I started having some back pain problems and was later diagnosed with the bulging disc. I was still running but not quite as much. I went to a neurosurgeon who asked me if I had back pain or leg pain. I told him I had back pain and he said he could not do anything for back pain but if my leg ever started hurting to come back and see him. When I was 34 my back pain eased up and I had the most terrible leg pain you can imagine down my left leg. I went back to the neurosurgeon who diagnosed my with a ruptured disc and pinched nerve and scheduled surgery. I have not been able to run since that first disc ruptured, even after the surgery . Same thing happened again seven years later to another one of my original bulging disc and I had another surgery.

 

[jnday]

Fans that want to ride shotgun in Manziel's jock. It's just confirmation bias.

He's not even that good.

So, now you are saying that the scouts don't know what they are doing by rating Manziel that high?