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I'll believe he's capable of running sub 4.5 when I see it. I don't hate the guy, but nothing about him really stood out when I'd watch OU. Say what you want about Devin Thomas' lack of experience or Jacksons size, but both were impressive every time I watched them this fall.

I'm not a fan of WR in round 1, just because I think the RB and CB options will be better at both picks. While this isn't a studly WR class, there's some talent in the mid to late rounds for sure. Lots of intriging prospects.
 

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BigDave95;2029670 said:
Happiest guy in the country today...Devin Thomas. He'll get looks from Cincy at #9 and Buffalo at #11 now.
Good, I'll take Sweed over Thomas anyday.....
 

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BigDave95;2029681 said:
And the Dolphins will never take Ted Ginn at #9.

The Bills will never draft Donte Whitner in the top 10.

Teams do crazy things to fill needs.

Devin Thomas is the clear #1 WR now.
Weren't both the GMs and Head Coaches for both teams recently fired?
 

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ThreeSportStar80;2030246 said:
Like I stated a long time ago... I would stay away from OU players unless they're lineman.

Like our Roy Williams??? ;)
 

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Originally Posted by ThreeSportStar80
Like I stated a long time ago... I would stay away from OU players unless they're lineman.



Especially ones like Adrian Petersen.... I'd rather have Cedric Benson..
 

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5mics;2030602 said:
Good, I'll take Sweed over Thomas anyday.....

Thomas > Sweed it's not even a comparison

5mics;2030601 said:
or a sun-dial???

5mics;2030603 said:
Weren't both the GMs and Head Coaches for both teams recently fired?

Well the Dolphins cleaned house cause of Parcells idk about the bills

5mics;2030606 said:
Like our Roy Williams??? ;)

IDK if this is a shot a Roy or not but it can slide

Bonecrusher#31;2030608 said:
Especially ones like Adrian Petersen.... I'd rather have Cedric Benson..


:lmao2:

All there is an edit button theres no need for you to post so many times in a row to get your post count up.
 

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DaBoys4Life;2030609 said:
Thomas > Sweed it's not even a comparison
Thomas has been productive for 1 year. I think Thomas is a prime example of the over-hype of the combines,etc. We'll know soon enough who's better. I'll take Sweed over him anyday.....

And btw, It was less of a swipe and more of a nudge about our Roy Williams..... :)
 

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Te question to ask yourself is what round would Devin have gone last year.
 

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CATCH17;2030137 said:
Thats like saying the NFL no longer uses a track either.

Put any of these guys on field turf and your going to see a decrease.

Reggie Smith ran a high 4.6 - I mean come on he is faster than that.

They used to say that players turned in slow times at the combine in Indy because it was a slow field. That was back when it was Astroturf. They switched to Fieldturf a few years back and I seem to hear the complaint less and less of it being a slow field.
 

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joseephuss;2030722 said:
They used to say that players turned in slow times at the combine in Indy because it was a slow field. That was back when it was Astroturf. They switched to Fieldturf a few years back and I seem to hear the complaint less and less of it being a slow field.

Yeah but the players knew ahead of time what surface they are running on.

We're talking about tenths of a second here.

1 or 2 tenths of a second is worth millions.
 

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joseephuss;2030722 said:
They used to say that players turned in slow times at the combine in Indy because it was a slow field. That was back when it was Astroturf. They switched to Fieldturf a few years back and I seem to hear the complaint less and less of it being a slow field.
Sirius NFL radio reported this morning that the NFL scouts wanted him to run on that specific turf because it was the exact same stuff they use at the Combine.

Poor Malcolm. How dare they make him run on the same surface as everyone else?!?!
 

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Stoops says Kelly's words are unfair

By Jake Trotter
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NORMAN — Wednesday was supposed to be former Oklahoma wide receiver Malcolm Kelly's opportunity to impress NFL scouts.

Instead, the morning's focus veered toward Kelly's budding acrimony with the Sooner coaching staff.

"Certain people have tried to hold me down, and they know who they are,” Kelly said after the workout. "I wouldn't say the whole OU coaching staff, but certain people, I would say that.”

Kelly was upset after running a pedestrian 4.68 seconds in the 40-yard dash. He placed blame on the OU strength staff and accused them of failing to notify him ahead of time that the testing was going to be on the Everest Indoor Training Center's field turf instead of the Mosier Center's AstroTurf, a surface on which Kelly had been training the last month.

OU strength and conditioning coach Jerry Schmidt said the location was decided on Wednesday morning by scouts, who felt the field turf at the Everest Center would be more comparable to the surface run on at the NFL Scouting Combine.

Kelly also accused OU of "misdiagnosing” a December thigh injury, which kept him from participating in the Fiesta Bowl and from training for the NFL Draft until last month.

Kelly said he was told by OU doctors that he had a deep thigh bruise, though a February MRI revealed he had suffered a partial quadriceps tear.

Kelly charged that he could've played in the Fiesta Bowl had he been diagnosed correctly in the beginning and that the OU staff risked his pro career by encouraging him to play through the pain without properly treating the injury.

"They told me it was a thigh bruise and to try and play through it. A deep thigh bruise hurts, you're in lot of pain, but it doesn't feel like someone is pulling at it or stabbing you in the leg,” Kelly said. "I tried to tell everybody it was worse than a thigh bruise. They told me it wasn't that bad, to go out there and run, that it was all in my mind. If I had gone out there in the bowl game and run full speed, where would I be? Nowhere. I'd be sitting at home right now rehabbing. Then people say, trust in what they say, they're not going to steer you wrong.

"If I had sat out from the time I messed it up, I would've been ready a week before the bowl game and could've played. It frustrates me a whole lot, the fact that I could've played and the fact that I knew it was something else and I was being told differently. I sat out the game. People were mad. But I wasn't going to injure myself or go out there and run half-speed and mess up the team.”

Sooner coach Bob Stoops said Kelly never practiced after suffering the thigh injury and took issue with Kelly's accusations that OU's doctors erred.

"I don't think that is fair,” Stoops said. "A lot of deep tissue injuries take a while to figure out. Our doctors do as good a job as anybody in the country. Regardless of what his injury was, misdiagnosed or not, it was a deep tissue injury. He never played. It isn't like he played a game and re-hurt it. He would not have done anything different than he's done, which is rest it for a long period of time, which he did, and rehab it.”

Stoops said Kelly's assertion that he would've been able to play had the tear been found earlier is off-base.

"He didn't do anything the whole time before we went to the Fiesta Bowl. He didn't practice once,” Stoops said. "He didn't practice at the Fiesta Bowl, even though we tried to warm him up. It's not realistic for that injury to heal that fast.”

Wednesday, OU spokesman Kenny Mossman conferred with members of the Sooner training staff, who said that Kelly was initially diagnosed with a bruise, but that the injury was later upgraded to a strain within 48 hours.

According to Mossman, OU's treatment of a partial quadriceps tear and a quadriceps strain is virtually the same: inactivity.

Kelly, who declared early for the NFL Draft days after the Fiesta Bowl, caught 49 passes for 821 yards and nine touchdowns last season, a drop-off from his sophomore total in 2006 when he reeled in 62 catches for 993 yards and 10 touchdowns.

Kelly's relationship with the Sooner coaches appeared to take a wrong turn midway through last season when he failed to register a catch in a 27-24 loss at Colorado.

"The opportunity was there,” Kelly said then after the game. "I guess that's just the way the dice rolled.”

Wednesday, he finally erupted.

"I had everything set up for where I wanted to (run) at,” said Kelly, who had a heated argument with Schmidt after the workout, at one point even throwing his cleats into the turf. "I get up here this morning and it's a whole different deal. I was slipping all over the place during my drill work. I can't say I'm pleased with anything today.”

Kelly's trainer, Chip Smith, said he was disappointed Kelly wasn't informed ahead of time that testing was going to be conducted on the field turf.

"Malcolm had been mentally prepared to run on the (AstroTurf), which a lot of universities do, so to change that when you walk in not knowing, I think there should've at least been a courtesy call to him to tell him they were going to change it,” said Smith, who has helped prepare more than 800 players for the draft over the years. "On a fast surface, he's probably a 4.4. We didn't even have the right shoes for him to run in. We had to make adjustments.”

Kelly — who wasn't cleared until March 20 for full training because of the quadriceps tear — said he had been preparing for the three weeks in Atlanta to test on AstroTurf, on which he said he had been running the 40 in under 4.50 seconds.

Schmidt said he had both the Mosier and Everest centers ready for testing, but that the scouts requested in the morning the workout be held on the field turf.

OU held its first pro day last month on the same field turf in the Everest Center.

"Malcolm can run anywhere he wants, but the NFL people wanted it on the closest to a surface that they play on,” Schmidt said. "That's like a track surface in (the Mosier Center) and they're going to adjust the times, which is not fair to the kid.”

According to Mossman, Gil Brandt of NFL.com phoned OU athletic director Joe Castiglione on Wednesday afternoon and said that he and the other scouts would've added time to Kelly's 40 had he run on AstroTurf to account for the faster surface.

Wednesday was an important day for Kelly, who had more than 35 NFL scouts and coaches in town to watch him, including Buffalo Bills Vice President of College Scouting Tom Modrak, Bills offensive coordinator Turk Schonert and Cincinnati Bengals offensive coordinator Bob Bratkowski.

Kelly measured in at 6-feet, 3 7/10 -inches and 227 pounds. He reached 32 inches in the vertical jump and 9-feet, 11-inches in the broad jump.

He posted times of 4.17 in the short shuttle, 11.85 in the long shuttle and 7.11 in the three-cone drill.

Kelly looked especially sharp during receiving drills while catching passes from former Nebraska quarterback and 2001 Heisman Trophy winner Eric Crouch.

"I did real good in that area,” Kelly said. "I knew I was going to do good in that, that's natural.”

It remains to be seen if Kelly's 4.68 40-time will lower his stock in the April 26-27 draft, but it didn't help him with other potential first round receivers running faster times.

Limas Sweed recently posted a 4.50 in the 40 at Texas' pro day, held on field turf.

Michigan State's Devin Thomas ran a 4.38 at the NFL Combine.

After visiting with the Bills coaches, who have the No. 11 overall pick in the draft, Kelly ruled out running the 40 again.

"They told me they saw all they needed to see, that they saw the game film,” Kelly said, "and that I never got caught from behind.”

Kelly flew to Cincinnati immediately after the workout Wednesday along with Bratkowski to meet with Bengals officials.

He already visited Buffalo, and over the next week he's scheduled to meet with personnel from the Minnesota Vikings, Pittsburgh Steelers, Washington Commanders and Dallas Cowboys.

Kelly's criticism of OU overshadowed former Sooner defensive back Reggie Smith, who also tested in front of scouts for the first time.

Smith, who had been recovering from a broken big toe he suffered in the Big 12 Championship, leaped 39.5 inches in the vertical jump and ran a 4.65 in the 40.

"I could've done a lot better,” Smith said. "The surface was a little slower than I thought it was.

"I've seen a lot better times from myself and Kelly.”
 

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theogt;2030752 said:
Sirius NFL radio reported this morning that the NFL scouts wanted him to run on that specific turf because it was the exact same stuff they use at the Combine.

Poor Malcolm. How dare they make him run on the same surface as everyone else?!?!


Do they do that with everyones Pro Days? This is the first I've heard of a Pro Day being moved to another spot in order to use the surface the NFL wanted.


Either way, not that I care, I've liked Kelly for over a year now having watched him play. He seems a lot faster than what he ran, on the football field (And that is having seen him on TV and live at a couple OU games), and I know he has great hands.

Now, I'll agree with some here, that these numbers would scare me away from him in the first for sure. I might still take a look at him with our 2nd rounder...but if he's there in the third round I'd certainly take a shot on him.

That said, either way, I've still go this feeling that maybe we really will address our WR need with a trade for a Vet. during the draft.
 

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BraveHeartFan;2030771 said:
Do they do that with everyones Pro Days? This is the first I've heard of a Pro Day being moved to another spot in order to use the surface the NFL wanted.


Either way, not that I care, I've liked Kelly for over a year now having watched him play. He seems a lot faster than what he ran, on the football field (And that is having seen him on TV and live at a couple OU games), and I know he has great hands.

Now, I'll agree with some here, that these numbers would scare me away from him in the first for sure. I might still take a look at him with our 2nd rounder...but if he's there in the third round I'd certainly take a shot on him.

That said, either way, I've still go this feeling that maybe we really will address our WR need with a trade for a Vet. during the draft.
It's certainly happened before. The radio commentators were talking about other instances. But they had another great point, even if it hadn't happened to other people, Kelly can't really get upset. They had 90 scouts come down to Norman to watch him try out back in March and he didn't tell him them he wasn't working out until that morning. Then he schedules his own work out and makes them all fly back down to Norman. Who cares if he's inconvenienced in the slightest by having to run on the SAME TRACK AS EVERYONE ELSE.
 

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TheCount;2030657 said:
Te question to ask yourself is what round would Devin have gone last year.

it doesn't matter thats last year and this is this year thats like saying ask your self where would a RB from this years draft go when there was 3 RB taken in the top 5 a couple years ago. That's not even a valid point.
 

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theogt;2030781 said:
It's certainly happened before. The radio commentators were talking about other instances. But they had another great point, even if it hadn't happened to other people, Kelly can't really get upset. They had 90 scouts come down to Norman to watch him try out back in March and he didn't tell him them he wasn't working out until that morning. Then he schedules his own work out and makes them all fly back down to Norman. Who cares if he's inconvenienced in the slightest by having to run on the SAME TRACK AS EVERYONE ELSE.

The tracks at Pro Day and the Combine are different and thats kind of a childish reason for them to do that to him if they were holding a grudge over the kid because he didn't work out when they came to see him.
 

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DaBoys4Life;2030829 said:
The tracks at Pro Day and the Combine are different and thats kind of a childish reason for them to do that to him if they were holding a grudge over the kid because he didn't work out when they came to see him.
If you read the article, that's the same track the other OU players ran on in the first pro day, so I don't see why he'd think he'd run on a different surface. I honestly don't care so much about the time as his reaction to it. Blaming the coaching staff isn't the wisest move. Sure a couple of tenths of a second can cost you, but get Stoops mad and I'm sure he'll be in the ear of his NFL connections. There's a proper way to handle this. Just say you weren't expecting to run on this field, you think you could run faster than that, and rest on what your body of game film shows. Don't flip out about it and say that your coaching staff was out to hurt you. I don't want Kelly, not in the first or even the 2nd. Let someone else deal with this nonsense.
 

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DaBoys4Life;2030829 said:
The tracks at Pro Day and the Combine are different and thats kind of a childish reason for them to do that to him if they were holding a grudge over the kid because he didn't work out when they came to see him.
They wanted him to run on that specific track because it's the same substance as at the Combine. It makes his number comparable to those that ran at the Combine.
 

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theogt;2030863 said:
They wanted him to run on that specific track because it's the same substance as at the Combine. It makes his number comparable to those that ran at the Combine.

According to the Article he only was informed that morning

dmoore;2030852 said:
If you read the article, that's the same track the other OU players ran on in the first pro day, so I don't see why he'd think he'd run on a different surface. I honestly don't care so much about the time as his reaction to it. Blaming the coaching staff isn't the wisest move. Sure a couple of tenths of a second can cost you, but get Stoops mad and I'm sure he'll be in the ear of his NFL connections. There's a proper way to handle this. Just say you weren't expecting to run on this field, you think you could run faster than that, and rest on what your body of game film shows. Don't flip out about it and say that your coaching staff was out to hurt you. I don't want Kelly, not in the first or even the 2nd. Let someone else deal with this nonsense.


So why did he pratice for a month on the wrong field and no one told him anything thats mad suspect
 
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