Rev. Al, Russell Simmons, PETA add their two cents on Vick...

[Crown Royal]

Sounds like Descartes was somewhat warped.

In his world it was acceptable. He was very pious and considered animals, who, per scripture 'have no soul,' to be ethically unimportant and only there for humans.

I don't agree with him, of course, but I am just pointing out that i don't feel that just because people are cruel to dogs and endorse dog fighting that they are necessarily the same to people.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Is either one necessary? Can humans get the nourishment provided by red meat from sources other than shoving a spike through a cow's head or an electrode up it's butt?

slaughtering cows is necessary, the means in which some places do it, isn't

 

[Crown Royal]

Good point, punk! Where I live I see all kinds of seeing-eye-cows leading the blind around and the fire department close to where I live has a trained steer that goes and helps out in fires!

The air base that I used to work for has a bomb sniffing lamb and another cow that rides around in a police car to help catch criminals.

Let's see...what else? Oh yeah, there are some chickens over here where I live that work as guard chickens in a junkcar car lot to keep theives out...so, yeah, I agree, it's blurry...indeed!

FWIW, pigs are at least as smart, if not smarter, than cats.

 

[superpunk]

slaughtering cows is necessary, the means in which some places do it, isn't

Why is it necessary that we slaughter cows?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Why is it necessary that we slaughter cows?

so you suggest we cut strips of meat off them and keep them alive?

 

[superpunk]

so you suggest we cut strips of meat off them and keep them alive?

Summer - are you sure you know what "necessary" means?

 

[5Stars]

I don't have the slightest idea what your point is.

Domestication, punk...is the point! Cows are not domesticated, or any other animal breed for human comsumpton or killed for survival...

There a lots of animals that are of little value to the needs of society. Horses are valuable, that's why we don't eat them...same with dogs. But other animals are not really valuable in a exceptional way...and if they are not used for human comsumption...then the world would be taken over by animals!

But, I know you are smarter than that...so I don't need to try and teach you something that you should already know!

Dog fighting is a crime...there is nothing to gain by doing it for either you or the dog...

 

[joseephuss]

Why is it necessary that we slaughter cows?

What do you mean by that? Are you questioning killing cows for food or the method of killing them? The word slaughter does sound bad, but there are humane ways to kill an animal. A bit of a contradiction to use kill and humane in the same sentence, but I think you know what I mean.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Summer - are you sure you know what "necessary" means?

no, do you know what r..e...a...c...h...i...n...g means?

or how about grasping for straws?

the slaughtering of cows is necessary for human sustenance

 

[joseephuss]

Domestication, punk...is the point! Cows are not domesticated, or any other animal breed for human comsumpton or killed for survival...

There a lots of animals that are of little value to the needs of society. Horses are valuable, that's why we don't eat them...same with dogs. But other animals are not really valuable in a exceptional way...and if they are not used for human comsumption...then the world would be taken over by animals!

But, I know you are smarter than that...so I don't need to try and teach you something that you should already know!

Dog fighting is a crime...there is nothing to gain by doing it for either you or the dog...

Dog fighting can lead to other things. It can lead to or include gambling. Gambling can lead to or include drug use. It's a gateway crime. That is a joke, but it can be more than just dog fighting. I am not saying the Vick case is, but possibly other dog fight rings.

 

[5Stars]

FWIW, pigs are at least as smart, if not smarter, than cats.

I know pigs are very smart...hungry all the time too! I know a pig that is a cop...loves his donuts!

 

[superpunk]

What do you mean by that? Are you questioning killing cows for food or the method of killing them? The word slaughter does sound bad, but there are humane ways to kill an animal. A bit of a contradiction to use kill and humane in the same sentence, but I think you know what I mean.

Killing them at all.

no, do you know what r..e...a...c...h...i...n...g means?

or how about grasping for straws?

the slaughtering of cows is necessary for human sustenance

So humanity could not survive without steak? Humans would die off, if they could not have delicious red meat?

 

[bbgun]

Why is it necessary that we slaughter cows?

Where else would we get footballs from? Simulated leather stinks.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

So humanity could not survive without steak? Humans would die off, if they could not have delicious red meat?

ok everyone, let's cut off steak from the diet

you're trying too hard punk

 

[Crown Royal]

ok everyone, let's cut off steak from the diet

you're trying too hard punk

I did. I don't preach to people to be vegetarians, and am purposefully trying hard to stay out of this portion of the argument. But I do think it is funny when people think the very idea of vegetarianism is ridiculous when cultures have done it for millenia.

 

[5Stars]

Killing them at all.



So humanity could not survive without steak? Humans would die off, if they could not have delicious red meat?

Hey, punk...what do you think would happend of the Gov outlawed killing any and all animals regardless, food or not. And this goes for insects too! Or what about not being able to pick a tomato?

This freaking earth would become un-managable!

 

[Crown Royal]

Hey, punk...what do you think would happend of the Gov outlawed killing any and all animals regardless, food or not. And this goes for insects too! Or what about not being able to pick a tomato?

This freaking earth would become un-managable!

That would be a pretty crappy government these days in this culture.

 

[Alexander]

I did. I don't preach to people to be vegetarians, and am purposefully trying hard to stay out of this portion of the argument. But I do think it is funny when people think the very idea of vegetarianism is ridiculous when cultures have done it for millenia.

Vegan or vegetarian?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I did. I don't preach to people to be vegetarians, and am purposefully trying hard to stay out of this portion of the argument. But I do think it is funny when people think the very idea of vegetarianism is ridiculous when cultures have done it for millenia.

I don't have a problem w/ vegetarianism, but superpunk isn't a vegetarian, he's just trying too hard

 

[superpunk]

Where else would be get footballs from? Simulated leather stinks.

This is the best point I've heard all day.

I really shouldn't have gotten back into this. It just ends up being some asinine conversation with summer about whether or not we MUST kill cows.

We do not have to kill cows. Humanely or otherwise. As it is, we do - even in a horrible way. It is completely unnecessary, but we allow it because we enjoy steaks, and because cows are not pets. You could throw any animal killing in here, and it would hold. It isn't necessary to hunt deer. It isn't necessary to boil crabs alive. but we do it because they are freaking delicious.

It is not necessary to fight dogs for entertainment. It is completely unnecessary, but some people feel that it is ok to fight them for entertainment, because they do not share the same feelings about dogs as the rest of the world does. It is wrong, and horrible, and disgusting - but so are some of the other things we do to animals. Some disgusting acts are ok because we do them to stupid, useless animals. Some aren't because people do them to animals that we consider friends. So we pass laws...

Morally - it gets a bit blurry if you're real with yourself.