Rev. Al, Russell Simmons, PETA add their two cents on Vick...

[joseephuss]

I'm not joking at all...

You leave animals to their own ways, let the free and let them live how they want? This planet would be overrun by the animals in 20 or 30 years...

You would not be able to travel on mountain roads without hitting a deer in a mile or so...

What about if the Gov made fishing illegal because it's the same as killing a cow to eat? The ocean would turn into a cesspool and we humans would all die in short order...



There are distinctions between domsticated animals and wild animals and animals breed for human survival/comsumption...because if you DON'T kill or thin them out...they will eventually eat you...

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply all animals. I was just talking about cows. They won't take over the world. Now pigs will. Wild hogs and such are taking over right now. Deer as well. I don't know about the ocean. I won't worry about them until they learn to maneuver on land. I don't swim in open water, so I got no problems with fishes and such.

 

[5Stars]

You do realize that cattle populations weren't cultivated until about 200 years or so ago, right? Same with chickens and pigs.

At no time in the history of the world has there been as many of the above mentioned animals as there are now.

Meat used to be a luxury, not a staple.

No...man has been killing animals to eat since day one! You let animals to their own accord, which man has not done, and see where it goes from there...

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Domestication, punk...is the point! Cows are not domesticated, or any other animal breed for human comsumpton or killed for survival...

There a lots of animals that are of little value to the needs of society. Horses are valuable, that's why we don't eat them...same with dogs. But other animals are not really valuable in a exceptional way...and if they are not used for human comsumption...then the world would be taken over by animals!

But, I know you are smarter than that...so I don't need to try and teach you something that you should already know!

Dog fighting is a crime...there is nothing to gain by doing it for either you or the dog...

I don't know if dogs are valuable in the normal sense of value. My little guy is precious as hell but he is not a very economic unit. It costs at least 2000 a year to feed, clothe and keep him as healthy as a nine year old dog can be.

 

[bbgun]

I'm not joking at all...

You leave animals to their own ways, let the free and let them live how they want? This planet would be overrun by the animals in 20 or 30 years...

You would not be able to travel on mountain roads without hitting a deer in a mile or so...

Actually, animals do a pretty good job of thinning each other out. Hell, domesticated cats kill 20 million songbirds every year. Even without human culling, excess animals would simply fall by the wayside due to inadequate food supply.

 

[5Stars]

I don't know about the ocean. I won't worry about them until they learn to maneuver on land. I don't swim in open water, so I got no problems with fishes and such.

You don't need to swim in the ocean to understand that if all ocean life was left to it's own accord and nobody could fish because it's on the same level as fighting dogs...the ocean would become a cesspool and the earth would literally die of thirst...

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

No...man has been killing animals to eat since day one! You let animals to their own accord, which man has not done, and see where it goes from there...

It is true though that we eat more meat now than ever before.

 

[5Stars]

I don't know if dogs are valuable in the normal sense of value. My little guy is precious as hell but he is not a very economic unit. It costs at least 2000 a year to feed, clothe and keep him as healthy as a nine year old dog can be.

That is why a dog is domesticated. Do you fight your dog?

 

[superpunk]

You don't need to swim in the ocean to understand that if all ocean life was left to it's own accord and nobody could fish because it's on the same level as fighting dogs...the ocean would become a cesspool and the earth would literally die of thirst...

 

[Crown Royal]

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply all animals. I was just talking about cows. They won't take over the world. Now pigs will. Wild hogs and such are taking over right now. Deer as well. I don't know about the ocean. I won't worry about them until they learn to maneuver on land. I don't swim in open water, so I got no problems with fishes and such.

Wild/feral pigs and domesticated pigs are different. Most of what we eat couldn't survive in the wild, and would probably become instinct unless they reverted to their wild origins.

Deer are already considered a nuicance - but not so much because we don't eat them, but because we are working on eradicating wolves & bears.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Actually, animals do a pretty good job of thinning each other out. Hell, domesticated cats kill 20 million songbirds every year. Even without human culling, excess animals would simply fall by the wayside due to inadequate food supply.

Yep, if the predators kill all the prey, the predators start to die off from starvation.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

5stars, have you ever heard of survival of the fittest?

the process of natural selection?

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

That is why a dog is domesticated. Do you fight your dog?

I'll never tell.

 

[Crown Royal]

No...man has been killing animals to eat since day one! You let animals to their own accord, which man has not done, and see where it goes from there...

I already gave you an example of men leaving animals to their own accord. India is a pretty large country with a relatively large population. There are other asian cultures I can cite that have been predominantly veg.

Man has never eaten as much meat as they do now in the West.

 

[03EBZ06]

Vick's alleged actions has cause end of the world, be afraid, very afraid.

 

[Crown Royal]

 

[StonetheCrow77]

this is a pretty easy conversation to end... if you are a true animal rights activist, then what you believe in should be the death of humanity... cause that's the only way to fix it... if you want to preach animal rights, then you can't own anything made of wood, nothing made of leather, nothing made out of wool, nothing made out of any metal... you can not live in a house, you can not drive a car... basically, you can't believe in civilization... chopping down tress to make anything out of wood or mining ore's to make anything metal kills animals habitats... building cities kills habitats... autos and any other pollutant kill habitats... Simply our living kills more animals and is more cruel than any breed farm animal put to slaughter...

It's simple... if you want to support animal rights, kill yourself...

 

[5Stars]

Even without human culling, excess animals would simply fall by the wayside due to inadequate food supply.

Exactely, bbgun...and the same thing might/could apply to humans if they did not consume animals, right?

What is it called? Darwins Theory..."only the strong survive"? Something like that?

All I'm saying is that killing animals for food or survival is neccesary...and fighting dogs is not! That is the distinction.

Also, if you don't thin the herd...they WILL take over! That is what the ecosystem of the earth is all about...you stop one thing (killing any animals) and we are screwed!


Could you imagine what that would be like!

 

[Crown Royal]

this is a pretty easy conversation to end... if you are a true animal rights activist, then what you believe in should be the death of humanity... cause that's the only way to fix it... if you want to preach animal rights, then you can't own anything made of wood, nothing made of leather, nothing made out of wool, nothing made out of any metal... you can not live in a house, you can not drive a car... basically, you can't believe in civilization... chopping down tress to make anything out of wood or mining ore's to make anything metal kills animals habitats... building cities kills habitats... autos and any other pollutant kill habitats... Simply our living kills more animals and is more cruel than any breed farm animal put to slaughter...

It's simple... if you want to support animal rights, kill yourself...

The all or nothing approach lol.

 

[5Stars]

It is true though that we eat more meat now than ever before.

Yes...

Next question?

What would happen if we did not eat all that meat?

 

[Crown Royal]

Yes...

Next question?

What would happen if we did not eat all that meat?

We'd eat more carrots.