Revisiting Romo's Late Game Stats

[jobberone]

Well if youre watching it as carefully as youre implying with this post you yourself know that Romo's failures have come from him making bad throws, and keying in on Witten. If you go over his career a big portion of his INTs will be trying to force throws to Witten.

I think you're so focused on some bad plays you can't see all the good ones. Then you're going to say he can win the win and you're in ones but again that's team play. You can't put a QB in you must score this drive or you will lose and not expect to see more INTs than normal. And that is where some of those increased INTs are coming from compared to Brady and Rodgers. Brees is worse BTW. Romo's high number of GWDs are a product of the same environment. He has to produce or we lose.

You guys are all over Jerry for building a poor team with not enough talent, poor OL up to lately, poor CB and S play yada then blame Romo, too. You blame Garrett for losing 2-3 games per year then blame Romo, too. You (collectively those who are down on Romo) guys blame the D for sucking then turn around and blame Romo for not winning enough. That leads you right back to the Romo has to produce because the D can't keep the other team from scoring. Look at the Det and GB games last year and notice how often they scored in the last half when they had the ball. Hint, it's every or almost everytime.

The pattern here is to blame everything in sight without really dissecting it well. There are real problems that need real solutions though and they are multifactorial.

Here's the entire problem in a nutshell. Fans are going to complain and call for almost everyone's head because WE AREN'T WINNING enough games.

 

[ufcrules1]

I think you're so focused on some bad plays you can't see all the good ones. Then you're going to say he can win the win and you're in ones but again that's team play. You can't put a QB in you must score this drive or you will lose and not expect to see more INTs than normal. And that is where some of those increased INTs are coming from compared to Brady and Rodgers. Brees is worse BTW. Romo's high number of GWDs are a product of the same environment. He has to produce or we lose.

You guys are all over Jerry for building a poor team with not enough talent, poor OL up to lately, poor CB and S play yada then blame Romo, too. You blame Garrett for losing 2-3 games per year then blame Romo, too. You (collectively those who are down on Romo) guys blame the D for sucking then turn around and blame Romo for not winning enough. That leads you right back to the Romo has to produce because the D can't keep the other team from scoring. Look at the Det and GB

games last year and notice how often they scored in the last half when they had the ball. Hint, it's every or almost everytime.

The pattern here is to blame everything in sight without really dissecting it well. There are real problems that need real solutions though and they are multifactorial.

Here's the entire problem in a nutshell. Fans are going to complain and call for almost everyone's head because WE AREN'T WINNING enough games.

That is right, we blame Jerry, we blame the coaching, we blame the defense, we blame the poor offensive line in the past, we blame everyone at fault and that includes the QB too because he deserves blame.

 

[LatinMind]

I think you're so focused on some bad plays you can't see all the good ones. Then you're going to say he can win the win and you're in ones but again that's team play. You can't put a QB in you must score this drive or you will lose and not expect to see more INTs than normal. And that is where some of those increased INTs are coming from compared to Brady and Rodgers. Brees is worse BTW. Romo's high number of GWDs are a product of the same environment. He has to produce or we lose.

You guys are all over Jerry for building a poor team with not enough talent, poor OL up to lately, poor CB and S play yada then blame Romo, too. You blame Garrett for losing 2-3 games per year then blame Romo, too. You (collectively those who are down on Romo) guys blame the D for sucking then turn around and blame Romo for not winning enough. That leads you right back to the Romo has to produce because the D can't keep the other team from scoring. Look at the Det and GB games last year and notice how often they scored in the last half when they had the ball. Hint, it's every or almost everytime.

The pattern here is to blame everything in sight without really dissecting it well. There are real problems that need real solutions though and they are multifactorial.

Here's the entire problem in a nutshell. Fans are going to complain and call for almost everyone's head because WE AREN'T WINNING enough games.

Im not calling for anybodies head. But i just dont get how people like you refuse to see that Romos play in clutch situations has been part of the problem in this team failing at the end of the yr. Romo is a big part on the teams success. But he's also a big part of their failures at the same time. My very first post in this thread was about you can literally argue both sides of this debate and be right. I know that, the only thing is you dont.

You bringing up the Gb game is funny. Because Romo threw 2 second half INTs that helped GB. When if he just stayed with the run they probably run that clock out. Again ill say thats part of the problem with the coaching is they give Romo too much freedom to audible.

 

[CyberB0b]

I know the Cowboys have been disappointing for a solid 20 years so I get that you're trying to make it better by saying look at these stats, wow the stats are great. But did we have a QB that took over and won in the clutch?

Yes. Romo is pretty high on the list of comeback wins.

Romo has 20 4th Quarter Combacks and 23 game winning drives in 7.5 seasons
Aikman had 16 4th Quarter Comebacks and 21 game winning drives in 11 seasons
Brady has 31 4th Quarter Combacks and 42 game winning drives in 13 seasons
Manning has 40 fourth quarter comebacks and 51 game-winning drives in 16 seasons
Marino had 36 fourth quarter comebacks and 51 game-winning drives in 16 seasons

That is pretty good company to be in. If he plays as long as Brady or Manning, he will put up similar numbers. Football is a team game, and it is easy to blame the QB

 

[jobberone]

Wow... That is just mind blowing right there. You would have a hard time picking an elite hall of fame caliber Qb over Romo? Your loyalty to Romo is almost as strong as Jerry's. That is kind of impressive in an obsessive kind of way.

Give me a break. Your conclusions you jump to are as faulty as your usual logic and Romo hate. You often can't read and/or interpret what people say and it's old to be nice. I said I would have a hard time picking between the two but would likely take the younger....which is Rodgers. People can debate a players strengths and weaknesses without foaming at the mouth over it.

If you saw my posting pattern over time without trying to spin parts of single posts erroneously to fit your agenda you'd know I am a huge fan of talent. It doesn't matter who they play for....even NFC East teams, SF, GB, and Pitt whom I hate. So my admiration for the talent of Romo isn't any greater than that for Rodgers or any elite QB now or then; or any position. That doesn't mean I don't criticize him either or any other player who all have strong and not so strong points.

I've seen many players come and go. I have many many favorites on many teams. I'm a football fan who is also a Cowboys' fan. I'm not hung up on any one player one way or another like some people here.

Just because you like Romo.....NOT.....doesn't mean everyone else has an agenda one way or the other. I like him but my board life doesn't revolve around that like your hatred for him does. Seek balance grasshopper.

 

[DFWJC]

Most of you who clammer about Romo choking and high INT rates with the game on the line spew a party line which bares little resemblance to reality. And you pontificate those erroneous opinions as if they are ex cathedra mocking those who actually have their facts straight.

Nice.

Still, If people have issue with Romo's style of play and decision making, I usually assume that is just a preference thing.
Linking Romo and choking are what usually set me off.

I don't at all see him as someone wilting under pressure. If he had a flaw in those situations it's almost the opposite; he goes for the throat and may take an aggressive risk that backfires. I'm sure that is in part due to his feeling (usually correctly) that the defense does not have his back. But it's also the old gun slinger stuff too.
In any case, it's not choking in the normal sense.
And then, as you have shown, the reality is that the late game fail is fairly rare compared to most QBs.

To me, Rodgers is much better. But that guy is better than possibly everyone.
The bottom line is Romo, like all other QB that ever played, will fail at times in key moments. Stats show he actually does this less than most.

He is possibly the very least of our worries and we're lucky to have him.

 

[DFWJC]

Yes. Romo is pretty high on the list of comeback wins.

Romo has 20 4th Quarter Combacks and 23 game winning drives in 7.5 seasons
Aikman had 16 4th Quarter Comebacks and 21 game winning drives in 11 seasons
Brady has 31 4th Quarter Combacks and 42 game winning drives in 13 seasons
Manning has 40 fourth quarter comebacks and 51 game-winning drives in 16 seasons
Marino had 36 fourth quarter comebacks and 51 game-winning drives in 16 seasons

That is pretty good company to be in. If he plays as long as Brady or Manning, he will put up similar numbers. Football is a team game, and it is easy to blame the QB

So among the great players listed, on a per season basis, Romo is the BEST in 4th qtr comebacks and about tied for best in game-winning drives?
That is astounding if true.

 

[jobberone]

Im not calling for anybodies head. But i just dont get how people like you refuse to see that Romos play in clutch situations has been part of the problem in this team failing at the end of the yr. Romo is a big part on the teams success. But he's also a big part of their failures at the same time. My very first post in this thread was about you can literally argue both sides of this debate and be right. I know that, the only thing is you dont.

You bringing up the Gb game is funny. Because Romo threw 2 second half INTs that helped GB. When if he just stayed with the run they probably run that clock out. Again ill say thats part of the problem with the coaching is they give Romo too much freedom to audible.

Romo has thrown some stinkers like the INT to basically end the Wash game a year or so ago. I see that. I don't understand why people can't see both sides of an equation and all the variables that make it one. The fact someone counters an opinion with facts to back it up doesn't mean they don't see the entire picture.

I got news for you. QBs throw INTs and when you can't afford to throw one and do people will remember it. They tend to forget all the rest of the stuff a player does. It's the proverbial one ah **** wipes out 100 attaboys. Some of us try to look past that into the intricacies of the game. Romo's an elite QB who wins us a lot of game, keeps us in ones we don't rightfully deserve to be in, and throws some stinkers that makes every fan jump out of his seat and scream "No, Danny, no"; feel free to insert Romo or whatever name you wish there in my tribute to Mr Landry.

No player is perfect. Romo is just very very good with some problems protecting the ball at times. He has other flaws as well.

You should thank the stars for having him cause when he's gone we'll be lucky to find one so good. JMO.

 

[perrykemp]

You are referring to a thought that exists only in the minds of those who don't realize the top 2 QB late in close games are Rogers and Romo.

Which tells you how little insight stats can sometimes provide. Aaron Rodgers is one of the best late game QBs both now and in the history of the NFL based on QB rating, however, from a win/loss perspective his 4th quarter comeback record is SHOCKINGLY bad.

 

[LatinMind]

Give me a break. Your conclusions you jump to are as faulty as your usual logic and Romo hate. You often can't read and/or interpret what people say and it's old to be nice. I said I would have a hard time picking between the two but would likely take the younger....which is Rodgers. People can debate a players strengths and weaknesses without foaming at the mouth over it.

If you saw my posting pattern over time without trying to spin parts of single posts erroneously to fit your agenda you'd know I am a huge fan of talent. It doesn't matter who they play for....even NFC East teams, SF, GB, and Pitt whom I hate. So my admiration for the talent of Romo isn't any greater than that for Rodgers or any elite QB now or then; or any position. That doesn't mean I don't criticize him either or any other player who all have strong and not so strong points.

I've seen many players come and go. I have many many favorites on many teams. I'm a football fan who is also a Cowboys' fan. I'm not hung up on any one player one way or another like some people here.

Just because you like Romo.....NOT.....doesn't mean everyone else has an agenda one way or the other. I like him but my board life doesn't revolve around that like your hatred for him does. Seek balance grasshopper.

Whats with you people and the word agenda? Nobody in this forum is important enough to have a agenda. Nothing we say matters. Its our opinions.

I usually stay away from Romo threads because i dont like him. And in threads i do post in i voice my hate for him, but i always admit that he's not the problem of this team. I only got into this thread because all i see is people like you trying to throw around all these GWD, and GWC garbage. When all that matters is wins and losses. What matters is when in december Romo will throw up yards galore, stats stardom. When the game is clutch and down to the wire, more often then not he has ended games with INTs. Thats why i say you all can argue this thread from both sides and be right. But you somehow think that because you want to be technical with stats and averages that, that somehow takes away Romo's game ending INTs that have been late in the yr that have costed the Cowboys games and even playoff births. He can keep you in the game, but if youre relying on him to get you a ame at the end of the yr, probability is he wont. And thats fact.

 

[DFWJC]

Which tells you how little insight stats can sometimes provide. Aaron Rodgers is one of the best late game QBs both now and in the history of the NFL based on QB rating, however, from a win/loss perspective his 4th quarter comeback record is SHOCKINGLY bad.

Yeah, I saw that last year. Pretty astounding really, given how good he is.

I do recall him throwing a pick six to end a playoff game a few years ago. But he played so well that game (kind of like Romo vs Denver) I would feel pretty silly faulting him for the loss.

 

[CyberB0b]

So among the great players listed, on a per season basis, Romo is the BEST in 4th qtr comebacks and about tied for best in game-winning drives?
That is astounding if true.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=RomoTo00
Stats can be verified there.


Good article here: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=3392

 

[ufcrules1]

Give me a break. Your conclusions you jump to are as faulty as your usual logic and Romo hate. You often can't read and/or interpret what people say and it's old to be nice. I said I would have a hard time picking between the two but would likely take the younger....which is Rodgers. People can debate a players strengths and weaknesses without foaming at the mouth over it.

If you saw my posting pattern over time without trying to spin parts of single posts erroneously to fit your agenda you'd know I am a huge fan of talent. It doesn't matter who they play for....even NFC East teams, SF, GB, and Pitt whom I hate. So my admiration for the talent of Romo isn't any greater than that for Rodgers or any elite QB now or then; or any position. That doesn't mean I don't criticize him either or any other player who all have strong and not so strong points.

I've seen many players come and go. I have many many favorites on many teams. I'm a football fan who is also a Cowboys' fan. I'm not hung up on any one player one way or another like some people here.

Just because you like Romo.....NOT.....doesn't mean everyone else has an agenda one way or the other. I like him but my board life doesn't revolve around that like your hatred for him does. Seek balance grasshopper.

I'm actually similar to you in that I'm a fan of the NFL and players and watch a lot of it. That is why I found you comment of having a hard time choosing between Romo and Rodgers out there to say the least. Kindly note, I wasn't the only one on this thread who thought that comment was absurd. There is no comparison between the 2 QB's. One of them is way better than the other and it has nothing to do with age.

I have no agenda other than being honest with what I see on the field. I'm not going to sugar coat anything and no player is above scrutiny. If you're kicking butt out there (Dez,Tyron, Frederick, etc) I'm going to love you and sing your praises because you deserve it. If you choke when your team needs you most, i'm not going to defend you or act like it doesn't happen just because I like your cinderella story of being an undrafted FA, turned good QB or being the first good QB we had in a decade.

You get the last word.

 

[jnday]

Romo is the new Dan Fouts.

Don't insult Dan. He as a QB that was ahead of his time.

 

[DFWJC]

I usually stay away from Romo threads because i dont like him. And in threads i do post in i voice my hate for him, but i always admit that he's not the problem of this team. .

You HATE Tony Romo personally?

That's scary.

 

[Cebrin]

I know the Cowboys have been disappointing for a solid 20 years so I get that you're trying to make it better by saying look at these stats, wow the stats are great. But did we have a QB that took over and won in the clutch?

No, Romo didn't play defense and also didn't run to the end zone and catch clutch td throws. He's just not as good as the elite QB's who do these things.

 

[EST_1986]

No, Romo didn't play defense and also didn't run to the end zone and catch clutch td throws. He's just not as good as the elite QB's who do these things.

Exactly.

 

[gbrittain]

Lol, by your logic if we had traded Russel Wilson for Romo last year we would have won the Superbowl and the Seahawks would have been 8-8, regardless of their teams!...Genius!

Really this post should have ended the thread for the folks who attribute wins, losses and championships to QBs but this will not register with their supreme intellect

 

[Cebrin]

Oh Boy, another Romo thread. Moving right along.

 

[Cebrin]

Thanks for the stat though, OP. Good stuff.