Revisiting Romo's Late Game Stats

[iceberg]

This is the dumbest thing I've read since the last thing you posted. I don't care what any other quarterback does, I'll just make up my own magical standard so I can always have something to complain about. Hey Drew Brees, completing 70% of your passes is totally unacceptable when it is still possible to complete 80 or even 90. You get to work on that.
You keep babbling about a long list of "failures". Why don't you tell me how long the list should be for a 10 year veteran so I can go get one of your QB heroes list and you can see how long theirs is? Oh, I forgot, your made up magical standard.

I've tried to also explain that you can't rate anything w/o a baseline but like common sense he just won't have any part of it.

 

[KJJ]

It goes cart, then horse, right?

What makes you think that?

 

[Idgit]

What makes you think that?

Your argument that a stat isn't useful when it conflicts with what you want to believe. It's supposed to go the other way around if you're interpreting the stat correctly.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Not the 50 points the defense gave up...Only 1 defensive stop all game by the defense? Thats like me blaming you for the bad economy because you didn't go out to dinner 7 times last week and bolster the restaurant business...lol.

Football is a what have you done for me lately game. All the points by the defense don't mean anything if the end of the game results in a pick that loses the game. That's the way i see it. I am not looking for approval from anyone on this.

 

[Rack]

Give me the W's and L's that's the only stat that matters.

That's a team stat. Not an individual stat.

And yes, we know the cowboys TEAMS have been mediocre for awhile now. You gonna blame the QB for being on a bad team like most ignorant fans?

 

[KJJ]

If you don't know the facts then your opinion means much less. Romo is roughly 38% in GWC and Rodgers is about 16%. Rodgers A/YPA+ is slightly higher than Romo's but both are very good. Romo's INT% >5mins is more than Rodgers but not hugely different.

Which matters more? Twice as effective in GWCs ie winning the game ~40% of the time when down in the 4th or a slightly better INT%?? I'll take the QB who comes from behind twice as often as the other guy.

Most of you who clammer about Romo choking and high INT rates with the game on the line spew a party line which bares little resemblance to reality. And you pontificate those erroneous opinions as if they are ex cathedra mocking those who actually have their facts straight.

I have my facts straight Aaron Rodgers is a better QB than Tony Romo and is much more respected. That's a fact care to deny it? I stated I doubted Rodgers has as many late game ending int's as Romo and you just proved me right. Do you honestly think anyone other than Cowboy FANS care that Romo is roughly 38% in GWC and Rodgers is about 16%? Threads and stats like this are all created by FANS to place Romo amongst championship winning QB's. Show these percentages and stats comparing Romo and Rodgers to any Packers fan and they would laugh and point to the Lombardi trophy Rodgers led them to as well as his league MVP and SB MVP. All some FANS do is focus on Romo's regular season stats but they need to start taking off the blinders and look at his stats in his playoff/elimination games.

FANS refuse to examine his elimination game numbers, percentages and passer ratings and compare them to the top QB's in the game today. It's not all Romo's fault he's only played on 3 playoff teams in his 8 years as a starter. His defense has been terrible the last 4 years which has played a huge role but the Packers also had an awful defense in 2011 that ranked #32. That defense approached at least one league futility record but Rodgers led that team to a 15-1 record. If Romo's high passer rating stats and all the other percentages that have him amongst the elite QB's start leading to something more than sitting home for the playoffs every year then maybe I'll start putting some relevance in them.

 

[TheFinisher]

If I pretend like Romo's late game **** ups didn't happen can I become a superfan too?

 

[Jarv]

Football is a what have you done for me lately game. All the points by the defense don't mean anything if the end of the game results in a pick that loses the game. That's the way i see it. I am not looking for approval from anyone on this.

Well I don't expect many QB's to win many games that their defense gives up 50 points in, you may disagree, but that's why we are here, to debate such topics...lol.

 

[KJJ]

Your argument that a stat isn't useful when it conflicts with what you want to believe. It's supposed to go the other way around if you're interpreting the stat correctly.

A stat isn't useful in comparing QB's if it's not leading to wins and the playoffs that's my opinion. Of the top 10 career passing rating leaders only Romo and Rivers haven't won a championship but Rivers has played in 9 playoff games winning 4 of them. He led the Chargers to an AFC title game in 07. Romo's had the least success of any of the top 10 career passing rating leaders and it hasn't been "all" due to his defense.

 

[jnday]

I just don't know how to respond to this. I will say it is not unreasonable at all to expect him to have 'won' one of those games although its still a team game.

It's just completely unreasonable to label a guy with one of the best game winning percentages in the history of the game a choker.

It is very possible to be both. That is what stats don't tell. There are players in every sport that are considered to be great players, but these same players don't respond well to pressure situations.

 

[Rack]

The irony is the same people who talk about this being a team sport also want to defend Romo with stats that suggest he does it by himself.

He does not. Never has and never will. Someone has to catch the pass.

Further, I understand the stats. I dismiss them because they aree not Romo alone and are bein g used as such.

I don't think this is true at all.

I don't see anyone defending Romo that suggest he "Does it by himself".

I think people defend him with stats stating he DID NOT lose all by himself.

It's in retaliation to the ignorant folk who think all W's and L's are on the QB no matter what. Those that likely didn't play the game and have no understanding of a Team Concept.

No player has ever won or lost a football game. Ever.


And to answer the question "Who won the superbowl was it Russel or the D"... the answer is neither. The Seahawks won the superbowl.

 

[jnday]

This is the dumbest thing I've read since the last thing you posted. I don't care what any other quarterback does, I'll just make up my own magical standard so I can always have something to complain about. Hey Drew Brees, completing 70% of your passes is totally unacceptable when it is still possible to complete 80 or even 90. You get to work on that.
You keep babbling about a long list of "failures". Why don't you tell me how long the list should be for a 10 year veteran so I can go get one of your QB heroes list and you can see how long theirs is? Oh, I forgot, your made up magical standard.

And once again , you show the lowest levels of ignorance when defending Romo. Your position is really weak when you have to use the excuse that Romo's failures are okay because a different QB in a different game made a mistake that was similar to Romo's screw-up. What does Brady, Manning or Brees have to do with a Romo choke job? That's right, nothing.

 

[percyhoward]

A stat isn't useful in comparing QB's if it's not leading to wins and the playoffs that's my opinion.

I share that opinion, but how does it apply to passer rating, according to which the best teams in 2013 were Denver and Seattle?

 

[lostar2009]

Yeah maybe if you're evaluating a DT.

For a qb, wins and losses matter and they will eventually reflect ones legacy.

I agree if Romo stats are that great we should more success on the field. Plus a few playoff berths in a 9 win division.

 

[percyhoward]

All the points by the defense don't mean anything if the end of the game results in a pick that loses the game.

In that case, when DOES your defense getting destroyed ever mean anything? When you win? When you lose without the late-game pick?

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Football is a what have you done for me lately game.

No, it isn't.

All the points by the defense don't mean anything if the end of the game results in a pick that loses the game. That's the way i see it. I am not looking for approval from anyone on this.

It's a good thing, because none are coming.

 

[DFWJC]

If I pretend like Romo's late game **** ups didn't happen can I become a superfan too?

Just acknowledge that it actually happens LESS with Romo than the vast majority of QBs and all is fine. We all are painfully aware that it happens sometimes.

Otherwise, if you don't know the reality outside of the Dallas bubble, then, yes you would be a bad fan.

 

[KJJ]

I share that opinion, but how does it apply to passer rating, according to which the best teams in 2013 were Denver and Seattle?

This isn't about applying passer rating according to what teams are the best this is a comparison of Romo's late game passer rating compared to other QB's. If you want to branch off into another argue to keep yourself entertained through the weekend and into next week go find someone else. All the high passer rating stats you keep coming up with that put Romo amongst championship QB's haven't correlated into consistent winning or the playoffs in 4 years. Denver had a crappy defense with several QB's having high passer rating games against them including Romo who had a 140.0 passer rating in a losing cause but that didn't stop them from reaching the playoffs and SB. I mentioned that every game Manning had a turnover in last season the Broncos lost. As great a season as Manning had his team couldn't overcome his mistakes because of his defense.

Wilson had several games last season where he had multiple turnovers but the Seahawks still won because he had a defense that could bail him out. Romo's high passer ratings are never going to correlate into many wins on this Cowboys team. The Cowboys are moving farther away from being a playoff team much less a championship caliber team. What applies to some teams isn't going to apply to every team. Romo's career high 102.5 passer rating in 2011 which was higher than Wilson's 101.2 2013 passer rating only equated to 8 wins for the Cowboys while Wilson's equated into 13 wins and a championship due to ZERO int's in the postseason and a great performance by his defense.

 

[jobberone]

Dallas routinely racks up alot of big plays and yrds in the 4th because they run alot of no huddle late in games. You can argue both sides of this all 24/7/365. But something nobody can argue is if Dallas is in a close game down to the wire, the chance of him throwing a late game interception is just as high as him throwing a winning TD. Thats just who he is. In a close game i dont want Romo at QB. But thats who Dallas has. So you take the good with the bad.

Where are you getting this info? How many INTs has Romo thrown in the last few December's?

Let me answer for you. He has throw 10 INTs in the last five years in Dec. That is not a lot of INTs. And his rating in Dec has been pretty good. Being 8-8 the last three years and not playing in many the year before that, you can see that we are in a fair number of close games. So most games that are critical are going to be reasonably close for this team, too; speaking in general. For the most part, Romo can't afford to throw an INT. This team cannot afford to score less than 40% of its offensive possessions.

Perception is reality but reality is not always what one perceives.

Romo could step it up a bit but you're beating on the wrong horse.

 

[percyhoward]

This isn't about applying passer rating according to what teams are the best this is a comparison of Romo's late game passer rating compared to other QB's.

It's the same stat. According to pass rating, the two best teams were Denver and Seattle. According to pass rating, Dallas ranked in the middle of the league. According to pass rating, Romo is the second best QB in late and close situations.

When discussing teams you have to look at the differential--the offense's rating minus the defense's rating.