Revisiting Romo's Late Game Stats

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percyhoward said:
According to pass rating, Romo is the second best QB in late and close situations.
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That shows just how worthless the stat is. A QB can have a high passer rating regardless if the game ends with a pick and a loss. The stigma Romo has was built on mistakes late in games. The Cowboys lost close games all last season including three one point losses. I could care less what the pass rating says it's about WINNING not who has the highest passer ratings. Romo is 4 games under 500 since 2010 and his high passer ratings haven't correlated into a winning record or the playoffs. Time to move on!
 
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LatinMind said:
Dallas is in a close game down to the wire, the chance of him throwing a late game interception is just as high as him throwing a winning TD.
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Are you just making stuff up? If that were true, he wouldn't be anywhere close to number two in late and close situations. Romo has 22 TD/11 INT since 2010.
 
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jnday said:
I have said before that I don't worry about other QBs or what they do. I am a Cowboys fan , so I only worry about Romo and his failures. I don't compare him to other QBs , because I just don't care . Another reason that I don't compare QB failures is due to other QB failures are used as an excuse to justify Romo's bad plays. I have read too many times that Brady and Manning makes those bad plays too, so Tony is just doing the same thing as these other QBs. That is dumb reasoning and I don't agree with excusing Romo for these reasons. As for my expectations for Romo, I do expect him to win one of the "win or go home" games. I don't expect him to win more than 40% of them. It would be nice if he could just win one. It is not unreasonable to expect him to win a couple of these games against teams with winning records in the last couple of minutes. Again, I don't expect him to win them all, just win one every once in a while. I don't expect turnovers and failure in all of these games, but the stats show that is the results. There is no need in blaming the team for Romo's failures. The team is not the ones that are making the bad throws. The opportunities have been there for Romo to win these big games, but it hasn't happened. You mention that I am using just a few plays to label him as a choker. It is more than just a few. There was a partial list posted on this board a few days ago and it was lengthy. It didn't list all of the failures either. Romo's record against the better teams in this league is horrible. Romo has had every chance to change this record, but he has failed. Is it unreasonable to expect for Romo to win one of these games?
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Do you consider wins late in the season when a loss would eliminate us from playoff contention "win or go home?" Or is it just if it's the last game of the season?
 
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KJJ said:
I could care less what the pass rating says it's about WINNING not who has the highest passer ratings. Romo is 4 games under 500 since 2010...
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You have to consider both offense and defense. Once you figure that out you'll see that there's no significant difference between pass rating and W-L. Then you will appreciate the importance of this particular individual statistic as it relates to wins.

Hey it could happen.
 
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KJJ said:
That shows just how worthless the stat is. A QB can have a high passer rating regardless if the game ends with a pick and a loss. The stigma Romo has was built on mistakes late in games. The Cowboys lost close games all last season including three one point losses. I could care less what the pass rating says it's about WINNING not who has the highest passer ratings. Romo is 4 games under 500 since 2010 and his high passer ratings haven't correlated into a winning record or the playoffs. Time to move on!
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But, but, but , but the stats say........
 
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KJJ said:
A stat isn't useful in comparing QB's if it's not leading to wins and the playoffs that's my opinion. Of the top 10 career passing rating leaders only Romo and Rivers haven't won a championship but Rivers has played in 9 playoff games winning 4 of them. He led the Chargers to an AFC title game in 07. Romo's had the least success of any of the top 10 career passing rating leaders and it hasn't been "all" due to his defense.
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Well then you need to outline for us which stats are useful and which ones aren't. You can't just dismiss stats where Romo is very good because they "don't lead to wins and playoffs." That's you doing exactly what you accuse Romo backers of doing... creating stats to paint a rosy picture of Romo.

If there's a stat where Romo isn't top half of the league, then I don't know what it is. There are very few stats where he's not consistently top 10 or 12 year in, year out. Sure, you look at the others on the list and you're gonna see some names of some very good QBs who have had a lot of wins and a lot of playoff success. Instead of losing your mind and claiming that those stats don't matter, what that should tell you is that Romo is an anomaly because the ultimate outcome of games (W-L) isn't predicated solely on a QB's performance.
 
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peplaw06 said:
Do you consider wins late in the season when a loss would eliminate us from playoff contention "win or go home?" Or is it just if it's the last game of the season?
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I was referring to the last games of the season with that statement.
 
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KJJ said:
This isn't about applying passer rating according to what teams are the best this is a comparison of Romo's late game passer rating compared to other QB's. If you want to branch off into another argue to keep yourself entertained through the weekend and into next week go find someone else. All the high passer rating stats you keep coming up with that put Romo amongst championship QB's haven't correlated into consistent winning or the playoffs in 4 years. Denver had a crappy defense with several QB's having high passer rating games against them including Romo who had a 140.0 passer rating in a losing cause but that didn't stop them from reaching the playoffs and SB. I mentioned that every game Manning had a turnover in last season the Broncos lost. As great a season as Manning had his team couldn't overcome his mistakes because of his defense.
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That's not true... He threw an INT against us.
 
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peplaw06 said:
Well then you need to outline for us which stats are useful and which ones aren't. You can't just dismiss stats where Romo is very good because they "don't lead to wins and playoffs." That's you doing exactly what you accuse Romo backers of doing... creating stats to paint a rosy picture of Romo.

If there's a stat where Romo isn't top half of the league, then I don't know what it is. There are very few stats where he's not consistently top 10 or 12 year in, year out. Sure, you look at the others on the list and you're gonna see some names of some very good QBs who have had a lot of wins and a lot of playoff success. Instead of losing your mind and claiming that those stats don't matter, what that should tell you is that Romo is an anomaly because the ultimate outcome of games (W-L) isn't predicated solely on a QB's performance.
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The outcome of the games are predicated on a QBs performance when that performance includes turnovers .
 
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jnday said:
The outcome of the games are predicated on a QBs performance when that performance includes turnovers .
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What does that mean? Are you saying a QB can't win if he throws an INT or loses a fumble? Because I don't think the stats will back you up on that.
 
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It's amazing no one is taking into account that a majority of these Qb's on the list are playing with the lead. Late in the game, they don't need to pass and play catch up. Romo constantly has to. There's so many other factors not discussed in the stats. Of course romo's rating will be higher when we're down 17 in the 4th quarter. Teams let up by then
 
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