Revisiting Romo's Late Game Stats

[TwoDeep3]

If want will to be able to discuss football on anything more than a team level, you have to acknowledge the reality of individual performance.

So when I make the point the quarterback loses a game by a late interception, then the people come out of the wood work and tell me "no this is a team sport."

But no matter what you say, Percy, Romo doers not complete a pass without a receiver. In your stats you don't see the under throws, overthrows, behind the receiver p[***** that the receive3r makes a grea5t play to make that completetion Romo gets credit for.

 

[jnday]

if you don't care about other qb's and evaluate accordingly, then you're hardly being unbiased in your opinion, just bashing w/o overall knowledge of the subject. just a single point of view the bashers use to prop up their hate making fun of anyone who would try to use logic in the discussion.

it's very difficult to evaluate the play of any given player if you don't see what the others players in a similar position do in like situations.

but so far i see the .500 record being both garrets fault, and now romo.

the haters don't really care who they're baggin on, as long as they're baggin.

Garrett should share in the blame, but he is not the one that is throwing the ill-timed interception or making bad decisions on the field. As for my other point, Brady , Manning , etc. , are no concern of mine. When they play QB for the Cowboys, I will debate their choke jobs. Until that day, I don't need to know about their mistakes to justify Romo's screw-ups. Does it excuse Romo for a stupid turnover because Brady turned the ball over in a Pat's game? In your eyes, maybe it does, but not mine.

 

[iceberg]

The fact he has a 1-6 elimination game record. FANS seem to think adding the 3 season finale elimination game losses along with his 3 playoff losses is just a way of making Romo's playoff record look worse.

The former New York Giants quarterback is just fine with the Dallas Cowboys giving Romo a six-year, $108 million extension. Simms, who won two Super Bowls during his 14-year career, says that the stat of Romo being 1-6 in win-or-go-home games is overemphasized to make Romo appear worse than he really is.

Like many experts have said over the last few months, Simms, an NFL broadcaster for CBS, says Romo is the main reason the Cowboys even had a chance at reaching the postseason in 2012.

“I think it was a good signing by the Cowboys,” Simms said. “If they wouldn’t have signed him and he became a free agent, everybody says, ‘Oh, just let him go.’ My God, there would’ve been teams doing cartwheels trying to get him. I think everybody in the league realizes the talent. I read some things that people said about Tony Romo.

“The Dallas Cowboys were probably a 4-12, 6-10 team last year and he was at least fighting to get them into the playoffs to the last game of the year. Now, we’ve all of a sudden created a new stat for Tony Romo, elimination games. We don’t say it about any other quarterback, but elimination games for Tony Romo because it sounds a lot better. ‘We can get more losses on that column.’
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Sports Illustrated issue, announcer Phil Simms let loose with a valiant defense of Tony Romo.

You can't deny what you see on the football field all the time: his outstanding play and really, his ability. We talked to Tony Romo about why so many people are on him and why he's constantly criticized, and he goes: "Look, I understand it. Until I win the Super Bowl, I'm always going to have those questions and criticisms."

But you know, Jim, to make the story bigger, we embellish too much. The media - and we're part of it - everybody's playoff record comes out there. Well, Tony Romo has a new category I've never heard [applied to] any other quarterback but him: Elimination games. Because they want to make it more, make it look worse.

Elimination games? What are those?! Let's make up a new stat so you can make it look worse!

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um, i'd hardly call simms a FAN. maybe there's a reason people don't talk about it and maybe it's because it's not applied to any other qb, just by romo bashers.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Using the Romo litmus test in this thread. A lot of people failing right now.

 

[iceberg]

Garrett should share in the blame, but he is not the one that is throwing the ill-timed interception or making bad decisions on the field. As for my other point, Brady , Manning , etc. , are no concern of mine. When they play QB for the Cowboys, I will debate their choke jobs. Until that day, I don't need to know about their mistakes to justify Romo's screw-ups. Does it excuse Romo for a stupid turnover because Brady turned the ball over in a Pat's game? In your eyes, maybe it does, but not mine.

then no sense in continuing this discussion with you cause you just wanna pin the blame on romo without understanding the entire picture, or how other qb's rate/play in comparison.

have a nice day.

 

[KJJ]

Dallas Cowboy fans never want to talk about elimination games. The opposing team's fans can sit and talk about it for hours with a smile on their face.

If Romo's elimination game record was 6-1 rather than 1-6 FANS would love talking about it. They love talking about his career passer rating because it's the only stat that puts him amongst the top 5 QB's of today and ahead of many HOF QB's.

 

[KJJ]

The former New York Giants quarterback is just fine with the Dallas Cowboys giving Romo a six-year, $108 million extension.

I was fine with the contract Romo was given don't misconstrue my comments about him I like him as the Cowboys QB.

 

[Tawney88]

The problem with this team is we don't run it enough and/or can't run it effectively. A good running game and Romo doesn't have to pass to close out a game. My two cents.

 

[iceberg]

If Romo's elimination game record was 6-1 rather than 1-6 FANS would love talking about it. They love talking about his career passer rating because it's the only stat that puts him amongst the top 5 QB's of today and ahead of many HOF QB's.

again:
Sports Illustrated issue, announcer Phil Simms let loose with a valiant defense of Tony Romo.

You can't deny what you see on the football field all the time: his outstanding play and really, his ability. We talked to Tony Romo about why so many people are on him and why he's constantly criticized, and he goes: "Look, I understand it. Until I win the Super Bowl, I'm always going to have those questions and criticisms."

But you know, Jim, to make the story bigger, we embellish too much. The media - and we're part of it - everybody's playoff record comes out there. Well, Tony Romo has a new category I've never heard [applied to] any other quarterback but him: Elimination games. Because they want to make it more, make it look worse.

Elimination games? What are those?! Let's make up a new stat so you can make it look worse!

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damn that phil simms.

 

[Picksix]

FANS never want to talk about elimination games when discussing Tony Romo.

Not exactly. We just don't want the two to be exclusive from any other factors. Romo hasn't played well in those games, but neither has anybody else. How many sacks does our defense have in those games? Turnovers? TFL's? What's the passer rating against us in those games (and no, you can't take the easy way out by saying that it's because of Romo's TO's, because that dog won't hunt)? How many big ST's plays have we made, and how many have we given up?

 

[iceberg]

The problem with this team is we don't run it enough and/or can't run it effectively. A good running game and Romo doesn't have to pass to close out a game. My two cents.

i'll give that comment a whole dime.

 

[Idgit]

The fact he has a 1-6 elimination game record. FANS seem to think adding the 3 season finale elimination game losses along with his 3 playoff losses is just a way of making Romo's playoff record look worse.

Well, the fact is that the team has that 1-6 record, as I think has been pretty well established in this thread already. Romo's individual performance in those games in another matter. But I don't think anybody has trouble seeing his individual performance for what it is.

If the guy has the overall performance he has, and that performance includes his struggles in some specific games against better teams, I don't see where there's much of a mystery. Heck Ben Rothlisberger won a world championship playing on a team capable of overcoming that sort of up and down play. Overall, though, the guy plays well against both good and bad teams. I don't think you can ask much more than that.

 

[Picksix]

If Romo's elimination game record was 6-1 rather than 1-6 FANS would love talking about it. They love talking about his career passer rating because it's the only stat that puts him amongst the top 5 QB's of today and ahead of many HOF QB's.

If Romo's record was 6-1 in those games, there would still be no such thing as "elimination games", so we wouldn't be talking about it at all.

 

[iceberg]

December Passer Rating 2009-2012, min. 200 pass attempts
QBPasser RatingCMPATTYdsCMP%YPATDINT
Aaron Rodgers109.03355264,43663.7%8.4376
Tony Romo106.33024543,65466.5%8.0275
Drew Brees106.04756755,27570.4%7.84213
Philip Rivers101.53495384,27264.9%7.9319
Tom Brady100.73786024,72262.8%7.83710
Peyton Manning99.93104563,48168.0%7.62913
Cam Newton95.91472571,96857.2%7.7164
Matt Ryan93.73125193,46960.1%6.7307
Jason Campbell92.41662601,95463.8%7.5126
Ben Roethlisberger91.43015034,10059.8%8.22211
Michael Vick90.71542602,12959.2%8.2148
Joe Flacco89.62714663,25258.2%7.02912
Matt Schaub89.53124883,74363.9%7.71711
Eli Manning87.43275624,42158.2%7.93321
Carson Palmer86.73154933,63363.9%7.42116
Matthew Stafford86.42594263,08060.8%7.21710
Alex Smith83.52003372,22259.3%6.6126
Jay Cutler80.92023642,54555.5%7.02013
Kyle Orton76.51622781,80658.3%6.598
Christian Ponder75.81342361,43356.8%6.1129
Andy Dalton75.51522631,55757.8%5.986
Sam Bradford72.42153722,33957.8%6.3810
Ryan Fitzpatrick71.92764823,15357.3%6.51518
Rex Grossman71.51262341,47953.8%6.3109
Matt Cassel70.21362431,51356.0%6.289
Josh Freeman69.43185593,73256.9%6.71825
Chad Henne67.13095323,26358.1%6.11221
Matt Hasselbeck63.82243572,26562.7%6.3821
John Skelton63.21272411,53652.7%6.4711
Mark Sanchez59.62434502,55354.0%5.71020

 

[KJJ]

Not exactly. We just don't want the two to be exclusive from any other factors. Romo hasn't played well in those games, but neither has anybody else. How many sacks does our defense have in those games? Turnovers? TFL's? What's the passer rating against us in those games (and no, you can't take the easy way out by saying that it's because of Romo's TO's, because that dog won't hunt)? How many big ST's plays have we made, and how many have we given up?

A QB"s play can affect their entire team. If they're turning the ball over 12 times that's not exactly helping their defense or instilling confidence in the rest of their teammates. When you have a piss poor defense you want to maintain the ball offensively not repeatedly turning it over further exposing your defense. Go ask passer rating questions to someone else if you can find anyone who cares about it as much as you. You know the answers to all your questions you're just looking to waste my time.

 

[slick325]

Until my QB wins one....there will always be naysayers. I get it. Like Murray said, I hope he and Wit get one.

 

[iceberg]

A QB"s play can affect their entire team. If they're turning the ball over 12 times that's not exactly helping their defense or instilling confidence in the rest of their teammates. When you have a piss poor defense you want to maintain the ball offensively not repeatedly turning it over further exposing your defense. Go ask passer rating questions to someone else if you can find anyone who cares about it as much as you. You know the answers to all your questions you're just looking to waste my time.

hey man, go take that elimination games stats to someone else if you can find anyone who cares about it as much as you!!!

 

[KJJ]

Well, the fact is that the team has that 1-6 record, as I think has been pretty well established in this thread already. Romo's individual performance in those games in another matter. But I don't think anybody has trouble seeing his individual performance for what it is.

If the guy has the overall performance he has, and that performance includes his struggles in some specific games against better teams, I don't see where there's much of a mystery. Heck Ben Rothlisberger won a world championship playing on a team capable of overcoming that sort of up and down play. Overall, though, the guy plays well against both good and bad teams. I don't think you can ask much more than that.

There's clearly some who have trouble seeing Romo's performances in those games for what they were. They try and steer any of the blame away from him. The losses have been a collective effort by the "team" but Romo has played a part with a number of turnovers. Roethlisberger won a SB with a poor performance but Seattle's Hasselbeck wasn't very good himself in that game. Ben played terrific in his 3 playoff games leading up to that SB.

The game has changed some since 05 and Roethlisberger had to play great to win his next SB 3 years later despite having the #1 defense. Rodgers out played him in 2010. The way the NFL is today you can't carry a QB to a SB win no matter how good your defense is. Flacco had to play lights out in the playoffs and SB for the Ravens to win it all a couple of years ago.

 

[KJJ]

hey man, go take that elimination games stats to someone else if you can find anyone who cares about it as much as you!!!

The Cowboys seasons were riding on those games you don't care about games like that?

 

[Picksix]

The reason the opponents have all had a higher passer rating against us in those games than we've had against them is because our defense can't stop anyone and because Romo has had 12 turnovers in his 6 elimination game losses with only 8 TD passes. If you keep putting your defense back on the field due to repeated turnovers any defense even good defenses will crack eventually. We saw that with the Ravens back in 08-09 with Flacco turning the ball over multiple times in back to back title game losses. A QB's TD to turnover ratio in "do or die" games determines the outcome of those games more than any other stat.

2006 vs. Seattle - Romo had 0 TO's in the game (except, of course, the snap, which had no effect on the defense)
2007 vs. NYG - Romo had 1 INT, which was their last offensive play of the game, so again, no effect on the defense, or Manning's passer rating against it. There were also three crucial drops in the 4th quarter, as well as Crayton cutting off his route, which would have left him wide open in the end zone for the game winner.
2008 vs. Philly - Romo had 1 INT and 2 fumbles, but we were already down 17-3 before he had his first one. Barber and Pacman also had fumbles in that game.
2009 vs. Minnesota - Romo had a couple of early fumbles, yet we still won time of possession battle, and the defense was only on the field for 57 plays.
2011 vs. NYG - Romo has 1 INT and 1 fumble, but the INT doesn't come until the 3rd quarter, when we were already down 21-7, and his fumble was at the end of the game. As for missing Dez on the first drive, okay. That was a bad miss, and it could have meant some early momentum, but it wouldn't have spared the defense at all, because Dez would have scored, and we'd have gone out on defense. I don't think missing Dez is what caused Newman and Sensabaugh to let Cruz turn an 8 yard pass into an 88 yard TD.
2012 vs. WAS - No question. Awful game by Romo. Two early INT's. But going back and watching that game, it wasn't the INT's that allowed WAS to run for over 300 yards against us. It was an awful defense that had no answer against the spread.