Revisting the Wentz vs Dak debate

odog422 · Nov 29, 2016

jchap said:
He throws interceptions with more velocity

Irvin88_4life · Nov 29, 2016

Anybody still saying Wentz is better then Dak is silly and foolish. We can revisit this subject in 2 years or whatever and see then if it changes (most likely stays the same). Up to this point though Dak is by far the better QB and is not even close

dwmyers · Nov 29, 2016

Well, the pros say things like this:

FuzzyLumpkins · Nov 29, 2016

BoysfanfromCanada said:
His 1 yard passes to Sproles and the receivers is their running game

It's like people have never seen a WCO. It's like calling those screens out to Beasley to ice games 'risky throws.'

PJTHEDOORS · Nov 30, 2016

Phlly doesn't have a Dez, but the other talent at wr is Jordan Matthews, Dorial Green-Beckham. TE's
Zach Ertz, Brent Celek. RB's Ryan Mathews,, Darren Sproles. Wentz has targeted JMatthews 90 times. The 4 next on the stats list are 50+ times.

For the Boys, Dak has targeted Beasley 73 times, Witten 73 times, Dez 66 times. It drops to TWilliams at 39 times and the others much lower. We lead in time of possession, and thus have more chances of Dak going thru his targets. And yes, Zeke is a big reason for that. Philly doesn't have the run game with a Zeke to allow time of possession.

Yes Dak has more offensive firepower, but proved he can still move the ball around and find targets when Dez missed 3 games. Philly isn't soley devoid of talent. They just don't have a Dez or Zeke. Without Dez, Dak wasn't fazed because he still had Zeke. If Zeke misses a game or more, then well see if time of possession changes for the CBoys with having AMorris in the game instead of Zeke.

Nexx · Nov 30, 2016

BoysfanfromNY said:
Based on just about everything.

Wentz is bigger, faster, better arm, and better mechanics.

There's a reason most had Wentz graded as a first round pick and dak as a mid-round pick.

i guess Joe Montana wasn't that talented..

TheMarathonContinues · Nov 30, 2016

CATCH17 said:
Oh I think Ertz, Matthews, and Matthews are solid players but that's it. They are nothing special. Jordan Matthews is a low end number 1 WR. He is better than T.will but not by much.

Dak is on another level because he is off the charts with things they don't have charts for.

All i'm saying is i'm not convinced Dak couldn't do more with the same supporting cast. Granted, there's no evidence of that.
I don't think Wentz is doing his supporting cast any favors though I know the Lane Johnson situation has really hurt Wentz more than anything.

I didn't see much drop off when Dez missed games or when Collins went down or Tyron Smith went down. He has Zeke. But I don't think Ryan Matthews and Darren Sproles or slouches.

Risen Star said:
You have no clue what you're talking about. Wentz is one of the most cerebral QBs you'll ever find. The dude came from North Dakota had basically no camp or preseason and performed week 1 as a rookie in the NFL. With a stiff supporting cast. You don't do that without being highly intelligent.

This is why fans get a bad name.

So basically we should praise Wentz for doing what he's suppose to do lol. Yay for Wentz. Give him a cookie. Dak is killing it on all levels. There's nothing Wentz does as good as Dak as of right now. Wentz spends all day throwing screen passes and he can't even do that as good as Dak.

jobberone · Nov 30, 2016

Dak > Wentz as of today likely near future at least.

Can we wrap this up until prior to next year's first Eagle game?

Is the Min game that boring?

Clove · Nov 30, 2016

Bleu Star said:
They are growing further apart.

That is all.

You sure know how to start a thread. lol

Bleu Star · Nov 30, 2016

Clove said:
You sure know how to start a thread. lol

Bleu Star · Nov 30, 2016

jobberone said:
Dak > Wentz as of today likely near future at least.

Can we wrap this up until prior to next year's first Eagle game?

Is the Min game that boring?

We are going to wax poetic on Minnesota's collective rears.

rwalters31 · Nov 30, 2016

Bleu Star said:
They are growing further apart.

That is all.

If Dak had been drafted by the Browns where do you think he would be today? If Wentz had landed in Dallas where do you think he would be today? Let's face it Dak landed in the best possible place he could have wished for. I believe that Dallas would have made Wentz the coming of the next Big Ben or Joe Montana. Some times where really good QBs land defines their careers. I would wait a while before grading these two out. I do believe Wentz would have benefited from a year as a red shirt and another off season with a better OL built around him.

Bleu Star · Nov 30, 2016

rwalters31 said:
If Dak had been drafted by the Browns where do you think he would be today? If Wentz had landed in Dallas where do you think he would be today? Let's face it Dak landed in the best possible place he could have wished for. I believe that Dallas would have made Wentz the coming of the next Big Ben or Joe Montana. Some times where really good QBs land defines their careers. I would wait a while before grading these two out. I do believe Wentz would have benefited from a year as a red shirt and another off season with a better OL built around him.

Saying that they are growing further apart today is in no way, shape, or form grading out how their careers will unfold in the NFL. It's a simple and true observation. Our 4th round pick is running circles around the dude everyone was fawning all over during the draft.

CATCH17 · Nov 30, 2016

dwmyers said:
Well, the pros say things like this:

Which is why I think the TE position is important this offseason and another dynamic player could do a lot for this offense.

ConstantReboot · Nov 30, 2016

BoysfanfromNY said:
Based on just about everything.

Wentz is bigger, faster, better arm, and better mechanics.

There's a reason most had Wentz graded as a first round pick and dak as a mid-round pick.

You ask those same people if they would pick Dak over Wentz - most likely they will say "YES".

drawandstrike · Nov 30, 2016

Wait there's still a debate? And it's gone on for 11 pages?

stilltheguru88 · Nov 30, 2016

percyhoward said:
That you and I both thought Romo's 2014 was MVP-worthy.

I'm usually good at predicting when this troll shuts his mouth. After this reply I'm sure he didn't continue to engage. Let's continue to read the thread :muttley:

Bleu Star · Nov 30, 2016

drawandstrike said:
Wait there's still a debate? And it's gone on for 11 pages?

I believe the fact that we've hit 11 pages indicates that there is indeed still a debate (surprisingly). Either that or we have one or two seriously delusional fans.

Eric_Boyer · Nov 30, 2016

stilltheguru88 said:
I'm usually good at predicting when this troll shuts his mouth. After this reply I'm sure he didn't continue to engage. Let's continue to read the thread

You are correct. he ran from this thread after his hypocrisy was exposed

Clarkson · Nov 30, 2016

BoysfanfromNY said:
Based on just about everything.

Wentz is bigger, faster, better arm, and better mechanics.

There's a reason most had Wentz graded as a first round pick and dak as a mid-round pick.

Better mechanics? I beg to differ. Wentz has a slower release and comes out high often.
Dak is a better decision maker. Wentz is too risk-adverse at times, and then tries to make up for it and ends up making a mistake. I'm sure having studs around Dak helps, but his decision making is unreal.

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