Revisting the Wentz vs Dak debate

[big dog cowboy]

His entire 195 yards passing in that game was a thing of beauty.

If 17-24 gets us 31 points I agree. Very efficient and effective. Add in 39 yards rushing as a bonus.

 

[Robbieac]

The arc on Wentz's screen passes are what set him apart.

 

[Clove]

If 17-24 gets us 31 points I agree. Very efficient and effective. Add in 39 yards rushing as a bonus.

Of course he didn't mention how we always started our drives from the 40 and 50 yard line.

 

[Avery]

We got Dak for the draft equivalent of a McChicken while Philly splurged at Ruth's Chris.

 

[CATCH17]

Nobody would dispute his physical abilities. His issues are with mechanics and with knowing where to go with the football. If he gets it down, he's going to be an amazing player.

But the mental part of the game is the tougher part of the game. Wentz has to demonstrate he can do it, whereas Dak's basically answered those questions already.

Dak is on another level with the mental part of the game.


Wentz is right where a normal rookie QB should be and I would argue he's been more impressive than the typical rookie because he has had a big jump in competition from college to the pro's.

Also, nobody on that offense is scaring anyone outside of Sproles.

 

[Plankton]

You mentioned his intellect. You want to take it back now?

No. His intellect is fine and speaks for itself. During the draft process, his intelligence was raved about by guys like Jon Gruden and Steve Mariucci.

You completely transposed an argument onto me after you made an incorrect statement regarding his IQ. Of course, you amended it after the fact when you were shown to be wrong. You then went on a sophomoric rant about Prescott vs Wentz when frankly, I really only care about Prescott, since he is a Cowboy. Try sticking to what I have actually said going forward rather than transposing someone else's thoughts on me.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I was driving today and tuned into ESPn and heard that Todd Archer is a Dak hater.He thinks this is as good as it gets and he wont improve,he thinks he doesnt throw guys open like Romo..I think its a bit harsh on a Rookie Qb with 23 TDs and 2 INTs.

See that's funny to me because had Dak came out there with 10 TD's and 8 picks i'd personally be fine with it because he's a rookie but people would say he's terrible and he can't improve. The Dak stuff is just ridiculous. He's been proving guys wrong since week 1. To say he can't get better is insane. He's a rookie.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Dak is on another level with the mental part of the game.


Wentz is right where a normal rookie QB should be and I would argue he's been more impressive than the typical rookie because he has had a big jump in competition from college to the pro's.

Also, nobody on that offense is scaring anyone outside of Sproles.

While I do agree that Dak has a good supporting cast....prior to this season all I heard was people raving about Jordan Matthews, Celek, Ertz, Matthews and Sproles. And Agholor was a 1st round pick who has struggled and DGB. I'm not convinced that none of those guys can't play in this league. People are blaming them for Wentz but who's to say Wentz isn't why they aren't playing better?

 

[CATCH17]

While I do agree that Dak has a good supporting cast....prior to this season all I heard was people raving about Jordan Matthews, Celek, Ertz, Matthews and Sproles. And Agholor was a 1st round pick who has struggled and DGB. I'm not convinced that none of those guys can't play in this league. People are blaming them for Wentz but who's to say Wentz isn't why they aren't playing better?

Oh I think Ertz, Matthews, and Matthews are solid players but that's it. They are nothing special. Jordan Matthews is a low end number 1 WR. He is better than T.will but not by much.


Dak is on another level because he is off the charts with things they don't have charts for.

 

[windjc]

While I do agree that Dak has a good supporting cast....prior to this season all I heard was people raving about Jordan Matthews, Celek, Ertz, Matthews and Sproles. And Agholor was a 1st round pick who has struggled and DGB. I'm not convinced that none of those guys can't play in this league. People are blaming them for Wentz but who's to say Wentz isn't why they aren't playing better?

YES, YEs, Yes, yes, y e s. This.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Yes and that poll of GMs saying they would choose Wentz over Dak if they had to re-draft agree with me.

Ask yourself this, if Dak was an Eagle and Wentz was a Cowboy, would you still think Dak is more talented?

Yes I would still think Dak would be more talented. What Dak is better at had nothing to do with the team around him. Wentz don't see the field very well and has accuracy issues, moving to another team isn't fixing that unless you have Megatron to throw a prayer up

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Again give facts on what throws other than the deep ball Weintz is better at? Athletic ability is genetics, not talent. Dak has shown he is very athletic. So I don't know how you can define Weintz is much better in that area in terms of running or ability to avoid the pass rush. Deep ball yes, I've said a million times Weintz has a stronger arm.

They keep saying Wentz is more athletic but yet Dak has better rushing stats over Wentz as well haha

 

[Irvin88_4life]

No youre missing the point


Dak has the best OL in the league as well as the best RB. Of course his numbers will be better. I dont think anyone on Phillys entire offense would start here. Are we going to pretend that doesnt matter?


Look at Romos numbers when he had those things in 2014 compared to his other seasons

Matthews is better then Williams

 

[Irvin88_4life]

His entire 195 yards passing in that game was a thing of beauty.

Better then Wentz 0 TDs and 1 interception against the mighty green Bay defense in Philly

 

[Idgit]

Dak is on another level with the mental part of the game.

Wentz is right where a normal rookie QB should be and I would argue he's been more impressive than the typical rookie because he has had a big jump in competition from college to the pro's.

Also, nobody on that offense is scaring anyone outside of Sproles.

What would concern me most about Wentz if I were a PHI fan is that he started off well but has been trending down so much recently.

"Even if you include his good early weeks, his overall stats are hardly impressive: He’s 19 of 28 in total yards of quarterbacks with at least 10 starts; 25th in yards per game; 25th in Quarterback Rating; 27th in QBR; 29th in yards per catch; and his touchdown percentage is 32ndin the league."

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/11/car...n-bay-packers-score-stats-hot-start-overrated
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That means teams saw what he put on film, adjusted, and he's been unable to adjust to their adjustments so far. It's not the players around him, because they're the same players he had with his hot start. It might be Pederson not knowing what to do to help him very much, but that's not exactly a good omen for the future, then, if that's the issue.

Whatever it is, though, young QBs are fragile creatures, and PHI is not a forgiving city. I'd say Wentz started out way ahead of the game and has worked his way into a position where people are going to start questioning him. Where he goes from there is up to him, but we've seen enough high-drafted players look good in spurts and ultimately fail to pan out. If we're lucky, that's what's going to happen to Wentz.

 

[Hoods]

Wentz is more talented and might be the better qb when its all said done, but at the end of the day Id rather have Dak+Zeke instead of just Wentz

Why does everyone always feel obliged to say something nice about Wentz? It's the popular thing to do. Absolutely no reason to give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

[bayeslife]

You have no clue what you're talking about. Wentz is one of the most cerebral QBs you'll ever find. The dude came from North Dakota had basically no camp or preseason and performed week 1 as a rookie in the NFL. With a stiff supporting cast. You don't do that without being highly intelligent.

This is why fans get a bad name.

Do you want to give him credit for putting his shoes on the right feet too? My lord.

Dak gets knitpicked for throwing under 75% or not throwing deep every play. Carson has been air mailing and whiffing guys the last few weeks. His receivers may suck but he has looked like a rookie since their 3-0 start.

 

[vicjagger]

Has anyone watched the last 2 weeks? Jared Goff is better than either of them.

 

[Air Force One]

Wentz with these weapons would be some historic stuff. I can't even wrap my mind around the idea of that OL with Wentz and Zeke. And Prescott in another state. My God.

Yeah you have a point. Heck, we might even be...like..10-1 right now if we had wentz.

 

[lukin2006]

Maybe we will never know how good Wentze will be, we can hope Philly remains inept enough to never surround Wentze with the necessary pieces...