Revisting the Wentz vs Dak debate

[BoysfanfromCanada]

This offense at one point didn't have Tyron Smith, La'el Collins and Dez, and Dak didn't miss a beat. He won all three games Dez was out (and really, how much better are Williams and Bryce over the Eagles receivers? Lets assume Beasley and Sproles cancel each other out in regards to short reliable passes).

If Wentz was on this team, how much better could he have possibly have been than 10-1, scoring 20+ td with his arm and feet with just 2 INTs? Sure, he would have had a bit more time to throw and Dez, but he definitely isn't as safe with the ball as Dak is, as his INTs show. Since this D can't get turnovers, the only reason we've won the last four games is because Dak has been able to score, and not turn the ball over himself. One INT in each of the four games, and it's 4 losses most likely.

One thing Dak has over Wentz right now is the mental aspect. He DOESN'T GET NERVOUS. That can't be teached. Wentz has already shown he will get flustered when he's running for his lift or taken a big hit. Dak seems to love the challenge and has taken on the best QBs in the league and taken wins (Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Flacco, Cousins, etc. etc). You can have the best arm in the league, but if you lack the courage to come through when it counts, then it means you're no better than Weeden

 

[Broges74]

A lot of truth to that.

He threw for 195 yards. That's pedestrian. He's a manager of the offense. That's fine for a rookie but this idiotic talk of MVP is laughable.

Still hanging on to the hate huh?? lol

 

[Clove]

People tend to think that smarts are all encompassing. I may not be able to do trigonometry, but I can see a song played on the piano, and almost immediately mimic the exact thing. You know why, cause I'm a genius at playing the piano.

 

[RomoFor6]

Wentz is more talented and might be the better qb when its all said done, but at the end of the day Id rather have Dak+Zeke instead of just Wentz

not even close to being more talented.

 

[waving monkey]

A lot of truth to that.

He threw for 195 yards. That's pedestrian. He's a manager of the offense. That's fine for a rookie but this idiotic talk of MVP is laughable.

What makes you such a great member of this board are two :
# 1 come draft time you are a great contributor.
#2 your willingness to defend your windmill Don Quixote

 

[Clove]

Actually it doesn't matter. I'm sure people found ways to suggest Leaf was better than Peyton Manning, we see how that turned out.

 

[Maxmadden]

How is Wentz more athletic than Prescott?

He's not.

The only thing he has over Dak is that he can throw further. Probably not as far as Cutler or Weeden but he can throw far.

I mean like MVP far..

 

[lukin2006]

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[lukin2006]

He's not.

The only thing he has over Dak is that he can throw further. Probably not as far as Cutler or Weeden but he can throw far.

I mean like MVP far..

And we've tried Weedon, and no thanks on Cutler

 

[CATCH17]

I don't understand how some of you can be so confident that Wentz isn't that good or is nothing special.



The guy has not looked in over his head at all this year and he has almost no talent around him on offense.

You also have to take into account that he had to take a bigger step up in competition than any of these QBs.

There is nothing not to love about Wentz.. I'm not a fan of Pederson using the Alex Smith gameplan with Wentz but Wentz has looked like most rookies who are going to be capable in this league are supposed to look.


With that said.. Dak is further ahead of him by a lot.

Heck, Dak is further ahead of all the 2nd year guys as well.

He manages the game at a high level while also making timely plays.

Wentz has the "it factor" but Dak has the "it factor" in bunches.

 

[Plankton]

Do you know anything about Football sense, it's different from High School sense. A smart Football IQ will take you places, a valedictorian will take you no where in football world.

That's not what you said. You revised it when your initial opining about Wentz' intelligence was wrong.

To me, the main reason why there is separation between the two at this point, aside from the supporting casts, is general football experience. Wentz only started 23 games in college, at a lower level of play where he played against B level athletes. Prescott, on the other hand, started 33 games against guys in the top college conference in FBS. Those 10 games and the exposure to top level competition in terms of athletes makes a huge difference.

Will Prescott remain better than Wentz 3-4 years down the road? Who knows? Right now, he's the right QB for Dallas, and that's all that matters.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Even this is missing the rushing TDs, btw. Also in Dak's favor.

I really don't understand why this is a debate. Wentz is regressing. With the same talent he had to start the year out. Dak outperforms him in very measurable category without regard for who's got the better team around him. I could understand an argument about the teammates if the two were playing at close to the same level, but it's not even in the same ballpark right now. Yes, Wentz has the physical tools. And it's an open question whether he's got the mental fortitude or the ability to every put those considerable tools to use in this league. The league is littered with failed QBs with amazing physical tools. Not to mention mediocre ones.

All we know so far is that Dak's outperforming Wentz (and most of the starting veterans) along the way to the most impressive rookie QB performance we've seen in many years. Anybody who thinks that's on the team around him and not on Dak needs to go all the way back to 2015 and see what Brandon Weeden, Matt Cassel, and Kellen Moore with with that same protection and a similar set of weapons. Hint: it was positively Wentz-like.

Good post. I would add that Dak has been improving on his reads and working with his WR1.

 

[lane]

A lot of good stuff going on here...

Leary,Frederick and Martin dominate..

Free does great after Witten leaves the line.

Dunbar does an excellent job picking up the blitz so good it sends the Commander in to Tyron's knees which could have ended horribly.

Cole is being molested....no call of course.

Dak rolls out and throws a beautiful pass with even a better catch by
Dez.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

His entire 195 yards passing in that game was a thing of beauty.

The Skins were flooding the middle of the field to take away that 10-15 yard area that Dak loves to exploit. That meant they rarely had anyone underneath to spy Dak. 12 yard drops means a ton of room underneath.

One way to attack that is to throw sprints to your RB or WR underneath. We did that too but Dak converted at least 2 first downs and scored a TD off the run. Other than the late hit he has never been in danger of taking big hits in doings so.

Then of course there is the fact he only threw the ball 24 times which netted him an excellent 8.4 YPA.

Carry on being pigheaded though. It does lead to some good discussion.

 

[Clove]

That's not what you said. You revised it when your initial opining about Wentz' intelligence was wrong.

To me, the main reason why there is separation between the two at this point, aside from the supporting casts, is general football experience. Wentz only started 23 games in college, at a lower level of play where he played against B level athletes. Prescott, on the other hand, started 33 games against guys in the top college conference in FBS. Those 10 games and the exposure to top level competition in terms of athletes makes a huge difference.

Will Prescott remain better than Wentz 3-4 years down the road? Who knows? Right now, he's the right QB for Dallas, and that's all that matters.

You, just like the rest of the world, can't fathom a 6'2 guy with an average arm being better, that's okay. Because you see zipped passes coming from Wentz, him running, and then you see him zip a pass out 35 yards and get intercepted. How many QBs out there JUST LIKE THAT? I see QBs every Sunday, most have good arms. The thing that separates them is that thing up top, brains. Now you say Wentz is just as smart as Dak on the football field. Tell me exactly what has he done to prove this? I don't see it. Even other CBs will tell you about Dak. They try to bait him, they try to make him desperate, he doesn't fall for it.

When you guys realize how special Dak is, you'll be a happier person. The guy is a leader, the guy can be a bus driver, he can put a team on his back, and the #1 thing he has is he just wins. How do you think a person can take a team who just scored the possible winning TD (Roethlisberger) then turn around, in :37 seconds, we win the game?

 

[Eric_Boyer]

Wentz took the 2015 NDSU Bisons to the National Championship.
Nevermind, that he took over a team that was 30-1 the previous two seasons.

They are playing in their sixth straight championship this year. They are no worse for wear with their new QB

 

[Eric_Boyer]

And that was the year Romo managed the offense with the best rushing year in team history.

So what's your point?

he should of been MVP. your hypocrisy is showing.

 

[lukin2006]

I would think the only fans that should even be having this debate are Brown fans, after all, they gave up the number 2 pick and bypassed Wentz, we never had the chance to draft him. And I just know if Jerry had made the move from 4th to 2nd and gave up multiple picks to make such a move...

 

[Plankton]

You, just like the rest of the world, can't fathom a 6'2 guy with an average arm being better, that's okay. Because you see zipped passes coming from Wentz, him running, and then you see him zip a pass out 35 yards and get intercepted. How many QBs out there JUST LIKE THAT? I see QBs every Sunday, most have good arms. The thing that separates them is that thing up top, brains. Now you say Wentz is just as smart as Dak on the football field. Tell me exactly what has he done to prove this? I don't see it. Even other CBs will tell you about Dak. They try to bait him, they try to make him desperate, he doesn't fall for it.

When you guys realize how special Dak is, you'll be a happier person. The guy is a leader, the guy can be a bus driver, he can put a team on his back, and the #1 thing he has is he just wins. How do you think a person can take a team who just scored the possible winning TD (Roethlisberger) then turn around, in :37 seconds, we win the game?

Where in any of what I wrote did I say any of this?

 

[Eric_Boyer]

I was sold on Wentz in the offseason, and I think he has shown enough to believe he can improve and eventually become a pro bowl level talent, but he is not a sure thing. The level of competition he is seeing is not something he is used to and you can see his confidence taking a hit.

the complete opposite is what Dak is experiencing. He is a sure thing at this point. He knows he belongs. You put him in the right system, and he is one of the best players in the league. this is not a theory. there simply isn't an argument at this point any more on who is better.

cognitive dissonance may be in ploy here for some. For others their over-sized ego prevents them from publicly acknowledging what they already know.

both players will continue to improve. but today, it is no longer in question who is the better pro QB.