RG III vs Johnny

[JohnsKey19]

How many 23 year old kids needs to be judged by their actions at that age? 23 is still really young. If he reaches 25-26 and still has the same problems, he probably will never change, but for now, he is still growing up. Yes, I am implying that a 23 year old is not going to make the most mature decisions.

You're correct. However, I'd rather Manziel sort himself out or even worse completely flame out on some other team's watch. He's not worth the headache at this point. Griffin is the easy choice.

 

[NumOneQB]

RG3 - His game has suffered due to injuries. He can still move (nothing close to pre-injuries) but he has to develop into more of pocket QB to succeed from here on out. Still has a great arm, still young enough to develop with a good coach, and has a good head on his shoulders. He's absolutely worth taking a chance on. The expectations are low at this point, so no pressure.

Manziel - Physically, his game has suffered a little because he's a step slower vs NFL talent. Average arm and a proven head case. I just don't see why anyone would even consider this guy at this point. I guess people were hoping for another Russell Wilson when he was drafted. It's not even close.....

 

[jnday]

You're correct. However, I'd rather Manziel sort himself out or even worse completely flame out on some other team's watch. He's not worth the headache at this point. Griffin is the easy choice.

Fans are forgetting RG3's arrogant attitude that caused all the locker room problems. Post-injury, he hasn't even shown that he an be a backup. He just has no upside at all. I had rather gamble on Manziel growing up .

 

[mattjames2010]

Couldn't agree more, rg3 will have a huge chip on his shoulder and wants to succeed more than anything.. Johnny boy? I don't know what he wants.

A tall glass and to sniff cocaine off of toilet seats. Manziel just needs to focus on rehab again and let football be secondary until his issues are sorted. He's only 23, he can certainly get his personal problems fixed and then get back to the NFL when his mind is right. His name, like Tebows, will always have teams intrigued even if it's not for good reason.

RGIII is probably my top pick for backup QB if Bradford resigns with the Eagles.

 

[mattjames2010]

Fans are forgetting RG3's arrogant attitude that caused all the locker room problems. Post-injury, he hasn't even shown that he an be a backup. He just has no upside at all. I had rather gamble on Manziel growing up .

Did he have issues with other players? It seems it was the HC he had issues with, and I'll admit, Gruden comes across as a bit of an *** himself.

 

[conner01]

If Johnny just didn't have the circus that followed i'd go with him but I think you have to go with RG3 between the 2.

If those were the only options I would go with RGIII
Just because I think last season he got humbled and maybe he grew from that
Little Johnny doesn't seem to have learned anything at all
I would hope there were better options than either though

 

[cowboyschmps3]

RG3

 

[TwoDeep3]

Not to derail your thread but I rather have Colt McCoy and a Rookie First Rounder. So if Romo can't answer the bell then at least We'll be competitive and the Rook can sit at least a year.

This.

 

[jnday]

Did he have issues with other players? It seems it was the HC he had issues with, and I'll admit, Gruden comes across as a bit of an *** himself.

I remember several reports stating teammates saying that he thought he was above them and carried himself in an arrogant way.

 

[T-RO]

Similar question: "Who should be our quarterback: RGIII or your drunk cousin?"

I agree about the drunk cousin. Meanwhile RGIII is like tom Hanks as your quarterback. Castaway.

Do you realize how bad you have to be...on and off the field...to so quickly fall off the team when Daniel Snyder has a crush on you?

 

[Mr Cowboy]

Browns owner says Johnny Manziel relationship can be repaired

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-s...nziel-situation-can-still-work-153904078.html

 

[BAT]

I don't want either...I just want that to be clear.

However to stay within the framework of the question and with the either or argument.

It has to be RGIII

RGIII might be known as RGMe but at least he humbled him self this past year after Cousins was named and earned the starting job. You did not hear much from him after it went down.
Johnny had to chance to come in and get the starting job (more due to injuries and the other QBs sucking) he gets the job and winds up going out and doing what he went to rehab to make people think he was going to quit doing.
Later when the coaches yet again let it be known that this was unacceptable and he "might" get another shot at starting...he goes out yet again and parties and blows that chance.
What does he do after they have all be came out said he would not be back...does he keep his nose clean and lay low so maybe another team will pick him up and think he has turned a corner...nope yet another video pops up with him out partying again.

It is not against the law to party. He is not on tape doing illegal activities and we know he is a young man...out of the way before someone tries to use that argument to defend him.

What is at stake however is his own reputation with NFL GMs, Owners and coaches.

So if you held a gun to my head and made me choose between the two...Give me the guy who is not going to continue to go out and not learn.

Humility? Not what I would think about when I think QB. Accuracy, leadership, charisma and winner. Not too many humble QBs in NFL, successful or not. QBs are mostly self centered and domineering. But the position almost relies on those qualities. Brady is certainly not humble, neither is Cam or Rogers. But those are the players you think about when you say, give me this QB to start a franchise.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

I remember several reports stating teammates saying that he thought he was above them and carried himself in an arrogant way.

So his so called problem was being arrogant to some players. I was expected something more team dividing.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Humility? Not what I would think about when I think QB. Accuracy, leadership, charisma and winner. Not too many humble QBs in NFL, successful or not. QBs are mostly self centered and domineering. But the position almost relies on those qualities. Brady is certainly not humble, neither is Cam or Rogers. But those are the players you think about when you say, give me this QB to start a franchise.

Not in RGIII case and for his team after being demoted. Instead of being a me player he finally shut up and was a team player. Humble in his case was a good thing.

 

[Hoofbite]

Go with the one who's tenure will be over quickest. Make the whole circus less painful for everyone and maybe then take the position a little more seriously. RG3 is the right guy.

 

[Rogah]

How many 23 year old kids needs to be judged by their actions at that age? 23 is still really young. If he reaches 25-26 and still has the same problems, he probably will never change, but for now, he is still growing up. Yes, I am implying that a 23 year old is not going to make the most mature decisions.

Name an NFLer that was a total nut job at 23 then turned it around by 25. And I don't mean just a nut job off the field. I'm talking someone who lied to coaches, missed meetings, and even completely disappeared on gameday once.

 

[RW31]

Name an NFLer that was a total nut job at 23 then turned it around by 25. And I don't mean just a nut job off the field. I'm talking someone who lied to coaches, missed meetings, and even completely disappeared on gameday once.

I think you'll find some. But there's no way you're gonna find a QB (!) with that type of history who turned his life/career around to make an impact in the NFL later on. Quarterback is a position where teams/coaches don't want to take chances. It's the face of the franchise, the head of the team, he's the leader. If that guy is an immature little **** who has a long history of lying to coaches, not showing up, missing meetings, going AGAINST what coaches tell him to do...then he has no shot. Especially if the guy sucks on the field. I mean we're not talking about Tom Brady here with off the field issues. This guy can't even throw the ball, he's not playing well. Nobody is going to hang their hat on this idiot. He will be out of the NFL. He's a poor mans version of Jamarcus Russell. Not even close to the same talent, physical talent, and with way bigger issues. He'll be out of the NFL within 2 years and he'll spend the next 3-4 years partying, pissing away his money. By the time he grows up you'll hear from him again, he's gonna show up at some Division 3 college football pro day, fat, out of shape, with a beard begging teams for another shot as a backup since he's a changed man now.

 

[waving monkey]

Except for his knees I take RGIII

 

[iceberg]

Humility? Not what I would think about when I think QB. Accuracy, leadership, charisma and winner. Not too many humble QBs in NFL, successful or not. QBs are mostly self centered and domineering. But the position almost relies on those qualities. Brady is certainly not humble, neither is Cam or Rogers. But those are the players you think about when you say, give me this QB to start a franchise.

i would put romo humble but confident. there's a difference to me here. romo helps people when their car breaks down. i've never heard him put himself ahead of the team. he does have a sense of humility that to me is critical in leadership.

 

[noshame]

Put JF behind this OL and he explodes, Lord knows we could use some dynamite back there. This is such a no brainer, anytime you can get a player with his potential for a cup of coffee you do it. Then you still draft a QB, and you have the possibility of both becoming solid QBs allowing you to trade one for a goldmine in a QB starved league. I mean, we have the means to solve the QB situation here for the next 10 years.

Seen enough of RG3