Richard Sherman on Dez Bryant: "Incredible Talent"...Vid Post #37

[kramskoi]

No, I think Ali was an exception (I loved Ali as a boxer, btw, was my favorite at the time). I'm talking about what most characterizes an approach to athletics in any given era (I know you read it because you included it in your post). If you take the brashness, the talk, the exhibitions on the field (including after any good play and sometimes after average plays) and compare it with past eras, I think you will have to agree I'm right to say that things have definitely shifted.

Btw, Ali also kind of makes my point, because when was Ali doing his thing in the largest way? Late 60's throughout the 70's? When did Namath do his thing? Same time period.

No my friend, the point has not been lost. I would say that this has been going on for a long time. I can put on NFL video from the 90's and see a ton of this stuff going on. You don't always hear about it in headlines. It is not really a recent occurrence. Remember all that garbage between the Giants and Dallas during Phillips tenure, including that ridiculous jump shot trash from Strahan after every frigging sack. Now Sherman is a bit more demonstrative, especially on the mic, but he's is not the first player to expound upon his own talents and the lack thereof in his opponents. The thing about it is that it likely works against him because you really want to beat a player like that...one who is self-absorbed in his own bravado. You want to whip him and shut him up on the field of play.

 

[Oh_Canada]

I don't think anything about him is raw or true. I think it's all calculated and superficial, that's what I can't stand.

Plus, he cares more about what other people think than any athlete ever should.

He's pretty good and he happens to be human. You honestly think Peyton Manning or Tom Brady don't care what people think?

 

[EST_1986]

Yea, he went right at him. That's the point. He did exactly what Skip Bayless does, only made actual personal attacks. Why he gets lauded for that I will never understand.

Like three-quarters of the stuff he's ever said...

Why should we just blindly accept that it's "real" emotion? How can you watch something like the Skip interview and say that any of that is raw? It was clearly calculated and he clearly was going to do that regardless of what Skip said.

Well its smart to go on a nationally televised talk show and be prepared. Skip is a troll and Sherman just trolled him harder, its the environment of the show.

 

[EST_1986]

I don't mean to be disrespectful, but this is crazy. Richard Sherman is NOT out of step with the culture right now. He is a poster boy for it. Non-PC would be something very different. But regardless of whether one likes him or not, I hope Romo and Dez torch him this Sunday.

I hope Dez abuses him if he lines up over there.

 

[rcaldw]

No my friend, the point has not been lost. I would say that this has been going on for a long time. I can put on NFL video from the 90's and see a ton of this stuff going on. You don't always hear about it in headlines. It is not really a recent occurrence. Remember all that garbage between the Giants and Dallas during Phillips tenure, including that ridiculous jump shot trash from Strahan after every frigging sack. Now Sherman is a bit more demonstrative, but he's is not the first player to expound upon his own talents and the lack thereof in his opponents. The thing about it is that it likely works against him because you really want to beat a player like that...one who is self-absorbed in his own bravado. You want to whip him and shut him up on the field of play.

Uhh, you did miss the point. Go back and read it. I said it STARTED in the late 60's and 70's (as more of a pattern, not individual occurrences). When did the 90's occur? I think afterward.

 

[Sportsbabe]

Skip Bayless is a television troll and I'm glad Richard Sherman ripped him the way that he did. Any Cowboy fan who supports Skip Bayless obviously didn't read what Skip Bayless said about Troy Aikman.

I haven't seen it yet but I'm really surprised that this is the reason for "Sherm doesn't know how to conduct himself off the field" because he dissed Bayless????

 

[Sportsbabe]

Well its smart to go on a nationally televised talk show and be prepared. Skip is a troll and Sherman just trolled him harder, its the environment of the show.

Ba-bam!!

 

[Future]

He's pretty good and he happens to be human. You honestly think Peyton Manning or Tom Brady don't care what people think?

Not to the extent that Sherman does, no. Not even close.

Well its smart to go on a nationally televised talk show and be prepared. Skip is a troll and Sherman just trolled him harder, its the environment of the show.

Essentially, you're making my point. He was a troll on purpose, which is exactly what Skippy does. That's about as annoying and douchey as it gets. Why should people dislike skip for it and then celebrate Sherman for doing it?

He used the phrase "U Mad Bro?" without trying to be ironic or funny. I feel like that should pretty much be the end of it :lol:

 

[ScipioCowboy]

It got him a ring, and he got paid so it worked, I'm not mad at him at all.

When Troy Aikman was a player, he presented a certain front as well. He was the stoic, impassive field general. Now, as a TV announcer, he's fairly colorful.

 

[Plumfool]

Its both. And athletics is in many ways a mirror of the culture at large. Sometimes what happens in the sports we love helps to shape the culture, sometimes it reflects the culture. My point was, and still is, that there was a time when Richard Sherman's brashness would have been considered embarrassing. It is self-promotion, plain and simple. So, my only thought is, lets just call it what it is. It isn't confidence, because you don't have to be brash to be confident. It is self-promotion. If you are fine with that, so be it.

Brashness has always been in sports. John Francis "Phenomenal" Smith said he could beat a team all by himself. That was in 1885. And he was an awful baseball player.


Sherman is a very good player and has a big personality. Some may call it brash. Others call it confidence. But I doubt it's self promotion.

 

[dstovall5]

I like Sherman as a player, and though I think he's incredibly intelligent and smart, he's a grade a douchebag. The interview with Skip Bayless proves it, as much as I dislike Skip, Sherman was very unprofessional.

 

[EST_1986]

Not to the extent that Sherman does, no. Not even close.

Essentially, you're making my point. He was a troll on purpose, which is exactly what Skippy does. That's about as annoying and douchey as it gets. Why should people dislike skip for it and then celebrate Sherman for doing it?

He used the phrase "U Mad Bro?" without trying to be ironic or funny. I feel like that should pretty much be the end of it :lol:

You missed it the point entirely so yes this should be the end of it.

 

[Future]

You missed it the point entirely so yes this should be the end of it.

In what way am I missing the point?

 

[EST_1986]

In what way am I missing the point?

 

[Future]

"He who hath no argument, uses .gifs"

-Ancient Internet Proverb

 

[rcaldw]

Brashness has always been in sports. John Francis "Phenomenal" Smith said he could beat a team all by himself. That was in 1885. And he was an awful baseball player.


Sherman is a very good player and has a big personality. Some may call it brash. Others call it confidence. But I doubt it's self promotion.

...again...if you are going to take issue with me, at least read my point carefully. There have ALWAYS been examples of brashness in sports. I'm talking about what CHARACTERIZES the world of sports as a whole. Can you honestly tell me, using just one example, that on field celebrations in the NFL, after sacks, after tackles, were the same in the 1960's as they are today?

 

[kramskoi]

Uhh, you did miss the point. Go back and read it. I said it STARTED in the late 60's and 70's (as more of a pattern, not individual occurrences). When did the 90's occur? I think afterward.

"Brash is actually something relatively new in American athletics." Huh?...started in the 60's/70's AND relatively new? How can a pattern be established without an occurrence? Is Sherman a lightning rod in PC's? Yes, I'll give you that. Is he cocky, even impudent? Once again, yes, but I would not characterize what he does as "relatively new" in the entire realm of American athletics. That's a pretty wide swath. In our hyperactive information society, it is just more overt.

 

[romothesavior]

You kind of have to be an a-hole to play the position; it's one where confidence goes a long way. Most of the great DBs in history have had a certain swagger.

 

[Sportsbabe]

When Troy Aikman was a player, he presented a certain front as well. He was the stoic, impassive field general. Now, as a TV announcer, he's fairly colorful.

Actually I think Troy is STILL stoic and impassive ... doesn't mean I don't like him or despise him. I just prefer he not call our games. Just not my style.

Believe it or not, it's possible to disagree with someone, make your best thought out argument and move on with your life without the hate. If you do it this way, chances are greater that you'll be listened to and your argument taken into consideration.

 

[Primetime42]

Is Sherman smart? Absolutely.

Is he very good at his job? Yep.

Is he annoying as all hell? Oh yeah.

He's very antagonizing. That's his game, he'll pick a fight to draw attention to himself. To be honest, I'm shocked he hasn't gone after Dez yet. Will keep an eye on it.