Rico still dealing with concussion symptoms

[Doc50]

external crush zones make a lot sense as that would spread the duration of the shock over a longer time period. but you need a flexible external shell that can crush into software cushion area. like a spring, the more the shell presses in, the more resistance from the cushion (liquid/gel?)

so accelerometers all over the helmet ...
i guess the key is to spread the shock over a longer time period.
i can see mini-airbags popping up based on sensor measurements.
perhaps the mini-airbags would pop up in different time sequence to spread the impact over a slightly longer time period...

Yeah, that’s the strategy being explored.

Would be fun to see those mini airbags popping up.

 

[CCBoy]

I think you need to go back and read my post again .. or maybe you replied to the wrong post ..

First, I said "one of the worst in recent years" not "the worst ever". Second, I didn't say he didn't have a concussion and I didn't say that concussions are not serious injuries .. I said just the opposite in fact.

The point of my post was that he just started playing football again over the last couple of years and if he already has a concussion that's bad enough to last for close to 2 months, his priority should be on his health, not football. Rico was talking about being ready to get back out there before they put him on IR.

As I said above, assuming there's no manipulation going on with placing him on IR, Rico and the Cowboys should seriously stop thinking about him playing football and instead, he should be focusing on making sure that he has no pre-existing issues and that there is nothing else wrong with him as a result of the concussion.

When it comes to head injuries, you shouldn't take any chances at all. If he still has lingering concussion issues or symptoms, he needs to forget about football for now and focus on his health.

That's along the lines of if one doesn't first succeed, then cut one's throat and let it bleed. I know that there were decades before both realization and accountability for head injury was given center stage...but I hardly believe that beyond monitoring symptoms at present, direct application can be applied to time sitting along the sideline and directions in life.

 

[CCBoy]

Anybody that thinks hes still suffering from symptoms then stamp naive right on your forehead. He is on IR strictly because Dallas couldnt risk putting him on the PS because he wouldve been scooped up quick. He wouldve been seeing DRs on the regular and there wouldve been news on this matter. I have no doubt that he did suffer a concussion and thats why he's on IR, but if he wouldnt have he wouldnt been on the 53.

 

[CCBoy]

Yes, I read your post and this reply, which would give the impression that this one concussion is much more severe and limiting because of its symptom duration. My point in response is that we now properly monitor this; before, we almost never did. And the advice of alarm to think about getting out of football is of course the exact purpose of the evaluations done by all the specialists, so they and he are well aware.

We are much more responsive to and diagnostic of even minor concussions now; this alone will improve outcomes. In the past, the diagnosis frequently was not given unless there was an observed loss of consciousness; this may only occur in 10% of actual concussions.

Does this mean I can call into work with the excuse of falling out of bed and hitting my head?

 

[Doc50]

Does this mean I can call into work with the excuse of falling out of bed and hitting my head?

You’re still going to work?

 

[Zman5]

If he still has a symptoms then it's not a concussion. He hurt something and the doctors have no clue what they're looking at.

He probably has turf toe.

 

[jobberone]

MTBI can last for awhile. Just gonna have to wait.

 

[Zman5]

external crush zones make a lot sense as that would spread the duration of the shock over a longer time period. but you need a flexible external shell that can crush into software cushion area. like a spring, the more the shell presses in, the more resistance from the cushion (liquid/gel?)

so accelerometers all over the helmet ...
i guess the key is to spread the shock over a longer time period.
i can see mini-airbags popping up based on sensor measurements.
perhaps the mini-airbags would pop up in different time sequence to spread the impact over a slightly longer time period...

I think the material D30 has those properties. It's used in impact clothing for various high impact sports (Motocross, snowboarding, mountain bike).

 

[waldoputty]

Yeah, that’s the strategy being explored.

Would be fun to see those mini airbags popping up.

yea, used to be involved in a project that developed microstructures that could survive high-g shock. spreading out the shock that happened from 1 millisec to 10 millisec did wonders for survivability.

mini-airbag arrays would probably require more than $3k per helmet.

 

[CCBoy]

You’re still going to work?

Yea, I'm a security officer at the Citgo plant here in Corpus Christi. I'm an escort for hazardous trucks, brining them into the plant and to where they are taken over by an operator at each respective unit. I was on the hurricane ride out crew...and became a certified ERT member at age 66.

I'm planning on working until about 72 and hopefully, going back and get my Masters. Right now, I'm horizontally directed...not vertical in aspirations.

 

[Bohuntr97]

yea, used to be involved in a project that developed microstructures that could survive high-g shock. spreading out the shock that happened from 1 millisec to 10 millisec did wonders for survivability.

mini-airbag arrays would probably require more than $3k per helmet.

And for and NFL player, that's nothing. They spend more than that on suplements alone, less a few grand for custom painted shoes. Hopefully the innovators can come up with something.

 

[waldoputty]

And for and NFL player, that's nothing. They spend more than that on suplements alone, less a few grand for custom painted shoes. Hopefully the innovators can come up with something.

yes the cushiony materials and the deformable outer shell would make a nice 1st cut using off-the-off advanced materials.

more esoteric stuff like shock wave cancellation (kind of like sound cancellation headsets) could employ piezomaterials to blunt the sharp impulse from an impact. softening the impulse could substantially reduce the g's of the impact.

this is just one example from various shock cancellation stuff out there.
http://www.google.sr/patents/US9153765?hl=nl&cl=zh

also perhaps the use of multilayer materials could also dampen the shock as the speed of sound is different in each material causing some reflection of a shock wave at each interface.

 

[LocimusPrime]

yea, used to be involved in a project that developed microstructures that could survive high-g shock. spreading out the shock that happened from 1 millisec to 10 millisec did wonders for survivability.

mini-airbag arrays would probably require more than $3k per helmet.

Can you make me one Waldo

 

[Bohuntr97]

Can you make me one Waldo

For my feet! insoles and all that!

 

[Bohuntr97]

Curious though, why can my driver (Indy car) hit the wall registering 155 gs lateral and 105 gs horizontal without some kind of a concussion? I always thought he had a brain problem to be begin with lol....Just curios. We just used densed foam for a modified "hans divice"

 

[waldoputty]

Can you make me one Waldo

sorry i was the big picture guy in the group. i knew how it went together, but did not design or build the devices.

 

[waldoputty]

Curious though, why can my driver (Indy car) hit the wall registering 155 gs lateral and 105 gs horizontal without some kind of a concussion? I always thought he had a brain problem to be begin with lol....Just curios. We just used densed foam for a modified "hans divice"

those ridiculous shock numbers are probably what the car outer shell saw. when u have all the foam and other dampening structures, it spreads out the mechanical shock over a longer period so he did not see the same sharp mechanical shock. they must have also limit the amount of travel his head can do which is critical.

 

[Pants]

I just hope Rico can "rebound" from this so that all of the people putting him in the HOF can calm down

 

[Bleu Star]

If his concussion symptoms have really lasted this long, he needs to give serious consideration to giving up football. If he and/or the Cowboys are manipulating the IR system it will be evident if he returns and never has any more concussion issues.

At the very least, if his concussion symptoms are lingering, he should not even be back with the football team this year. He should be meeting with neurological specialists to see if something is inherently wrong or his injury was much more severe.

It just seems strange to me that he has had no history of concussions, hasn't even played football in years, and suddenly he has one of the worse concussions the NFL has seen in years. Either he and/or the Cowboys are making this worse than it is to avoid any NFLPA/NFL issues or something is seriously wrong and football should be the last of his concerns.

I have to call bull crap on this. It really seems to me as if they're manipulating the system. Given his history of never having concussions and the extremely low probability of concussions lasting this long.. All roads lead to Bullcrap City.

 

[diefree666]

I cannot believe how STUPID some people here are.

With all the concern and publicity and still legal actions abounding some GOMERS here think the boys at DUMB enough to play around with it.